College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

A one-time obligation of $5 million per team (current 14 teams) should not pose a problem as the average payout to each team from the Big Ten Conference was $58.8 million last year & expected to rise substantially this year.

Scheduling issues were to be expected under new TV/media rights contracts--especially so when expanding the number of member teams.

Look for more teams to be added to the Big Ten next year in addition to USC & UCLA as the Pac-12 TV contract expires in 2025 and no new agreement has been reached.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

Once USC & UCLA play in the Big Ten next year, the per team payouts are expected to rise from about $60 million per team to about $90 million per team per year.

https://frontofficesports.com/big-ten-media-rights/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

Once USC & UCLA play in the Big Ten next year, the per team payouts are expected to rise from about $60 million per team to about $90 million per team per year.

https://frontofficesports.com/big-ten-media-rights/

Additionally, if I recall correctly from news reports last year, the new 7 year Big Ten Conference TV rights media deal includes an escalator clause in the event that Notre Dame joins the Big Ten Conference. Will see per team payouts rise significantly above the expected $90 million per year.

[Anonymous]

Texas has exceeded $200 million in revenue year after year (covid included). They are joining the SEC next year and the TV rights for the SEC will be off the charts. Texas will have Money to burn...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Texas has exceeded $200 million in revenue year after year (covid included). They are joining the SEC next year and the TV rights for the SEC will be off the charts. Texas will have Money to burn...

+1 Hook em

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

A one-time obligation of $5 million per team (current 14 teams) should not pose a problem as the average payout to each team from the Big Ten Conference was $58.8 million last year & expected to rise substantially this year.

Scheduling issues were to be expected under new TV/media rights contracts--especially so when expanding the number of member teams.

Look for more teams to be added to the Big Ten next year in addition to USC & UCLA as the Pac-12 TV contract expires in 2025 and no new agreement has been reached.

If you read the source article that SI summarized (anyone remember when SI was a real news source), it seems like a bigger complication. Fox owns 61% of the Big10 network which owns the rights to big10 games.

"In 2016, when the Big Ten announced its long-term television deal with Fox and ESPN, the announcement didn't include all the details. One of the things that didn't get disclosed at the time, nor as the new deal was being discussed in recent months, was that the Big Ten Network had acquired all of the league's programming rights back in 2016 through an undisclosed date. The length of that deal with the Big Ten Network from 2016 is carried at least through the current deal, which has been announced through the 2029-30 season.

This relationship was known by athletic directors, television executives at rival networks and officials in other leagues, even if it wasn't announced publicly. It flashed out into the public at various times, including Sports Business Journal reporting in April 2022 that two Fox senior executives were in the room when various media companies -- ESPN, Amazon, NBC and others -- met with the league about their television packages.

What this also essentially meant was the latest round of Big Ten television deals were effectively sub-license arrangements, in which both the Big Ten Network and Fox essentially controlled the rights and worked with the Big Ten to sub-license them off. That meant a majority of the value of the deal had already been sold.

"It was a joint negotiation with the conference and FOX working together and doing deals with these other networks," said an industry source. "They both needed each other to do the deals."

That factor is key to understanding the issues Petitti faces. There are two new partners -- NBC and CBS -- attempting to work out their longform deals. There's a familiar partner, Fox, that's riding shotgun on this bumpy ride, including being upset Warren promised a title game Fox controlled without permission."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37693310/big-ten-new-commissioner-television-deal-coaches-uncertainty

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Texas has exceeded $200 million in revenue year after year (covid included). They are joining the SEC next year and the TV rights for the SEC will be off the charts. Texas will have Money to burn...

Texas had/has their own TV network which has made their brand more lucrative than just about any school than Notre Dame. It is why they hadn't vacated the Big 12 until now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

A one-time obligation of $5 million per team (current 14 teams) should not pose a problem as the average payout to each team from the Big Ten Conference was $58.8 million last year & expected to rise substantially this year.

Scheduling issues were to be expected under new TV/media rights contracts--especially so when expanding the number of member teams.

Look for more teams to be added to the Big Ten next year in addition to USC & UCLA as the Pac-12 TV contract expires in 2025 and no new agreement has been reached.

If you read the source article that SI summarized (anyone remember when SI was a real news source), it seems like a bigger complication. Fox owns 61% of the Big10 network which owns the rights to big10 games.

"In 2016, when the Big Ten announced its long-term television deal with Fox and ESPN, the announcement didn't include all the details. One of the things that didn't get disclosed at the time, nor as the new deal was being discussed in recent months, was that the Big Ten Network had acquired all of the league's programming rights back in 2016 through an undisclosed date. The length of that deal with the Big Ten Network from 2016 is carried at least through the current deal, which has been announced through the 2029-30 season.

This relationship was known by athletic directors, television executives at rival networks and officials in other leagues, even if it wasn't announced publicly. It flashed out into the public at various times, including Sports Business Journal reporting in April 2022 that two Fox senior executives were in the room when various media companies -- ESPN, Amazon, NBC and others -- met with the league about their television packages.

What this also essentially meant was the latest round of Big Ten television deals were effectively sub-license arrangements, in which both the Big Ten Network and Fox essentially controlled the rights and worked with the Big Ten to sub-license them off. That meant a majority of the value of the deal had already been sold.

"It was a joint negotiation with the conference and FOX working together and doing deals with these other networks," said an industry source. "They both needed each other to do the deals."

That factor is key to understanding the issues Petitti faces. There are two new partners -- NBC and CBS -- attempting to work out their longform deals. There's a familiar partner, Fox, that's riding shotgun on this bumpy ride, including being upset Warren promised a title game Fox controlled without permission."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37693310/big-ten-new-commissioner-television-deal-coaches-uncertainty

They will get it worked out. Too much money and win-win scenarios not to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

A one-time obligation of $5 million per team (current 14 teams) should not pose a problem as the average payout to each team from the Big Ten Conference was $58.8 million last year & expected to rise substantially this year.

Scheduling issues were to be expected under new TV/media rights contracts--especially so when expanding the number of member teams.

Look for more teams to be added to the Big Ten next year in addition to USC & UCLA as the Pac-12 TV contract expires in 2025 and no new agreement has been reached.

If you read the source article that SI summarized (anyone remember when SI was a real news source), it seems like a bigger complication. Fox owns 61% of the Big10 network which owns the rights to big10 games.

"In 2016, when the Big Ten announced its long-term television deal with Fox and ESPN, the announcement didn't include all the details. One of the things that didn't get disclosed at the time, nor as the new deal was being discussed in recent months, was that the Big Ten Network had acquired all of the league's programming rights back in 2016 through an undisclosed date. The length of that deal with the Big Ten Network from 2016 is carried at least through the current deal, which has been announced through the 2029-30 season.

This relationship was known by athletic directors, television executives at rival networks and officials in other leagues, even if it wasn't announced publicly. It flashed out into the public at various times, including Sports Business Journal reporting in April 2022 that two Fox senior executives were in the room when various media companies -- ESPN, Amazon, NBC and others -- met with the league about their television packages.

What this also essentially meant was the latest round of Big Ten television deals were effectively sub-license arrangements, in which both the Big Ten Network and Fox essentially controlled the rights and worked with the Big Ten to sub-license them off. That meant a majority of the value of the deal had already been sold.

"It was a joint negotiation with the conference and FOX working together and doing deals with these other networks," said an industry source. "They both needed each other to do the deals."

That factor is key to understanding the issues Petitti faces. There are two new partners -- NBC and CBS -- attempting to work out their longform deals. There's a familiar partner, Fox, that's riding shotgun on this bumpy ride, including being upset Warren promised a title game Fox controlled without permission."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37693310/big-ten-new-commissioner-television-deal-coaches-uncertainty

They will get it worked out. Too much money and win-win scenarios not to.

Agree.

If former Big Ten Commissioner had to consult with coaches & ADs on every point, then the deal would not have gotten done due to too much debate over inconsequential details. Naive to think that marquee night games would not be required/part of the blockbuster deal. Play the November night games in Southern California at UCLA or at USC for better weather & a couple of more recovery hours for Midwestern based teams.

Te fact that the Big Ten Network owned the rights was known by many in the public; it was not a secret.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

A one-time obligation of $5 million per team (current 14 teams) should not pose a problem as the average payout to each team from the Big Ten Conference was $58.8 million last year & expected to rise substantially this year.

Scheduling issues were to be expected under new TV/media rights contracts--especially so when expanding the number of member teams.

Look for more teams to be added to the Big Ten next year in addition to USC & UCLA as the Pac-12 TV contract expires in 2025 and no new agreement has been reached.

If you read the source article that SI summarized (anyone remember when SI was a real news source), it seems like a bigger complication. Fox owns 61% of the Big10 network which owns the rights to big10 games.

"In 2016, when the Big Ten announced its long-term television deal with Fox and ESPN, the announcement didn't include all the details. One of the things that didn't get disclosed at the time, nor as the new deal was being discussed in recent months, was that the Big Ten Network had acquired all of the league's programming rights back in 2016 through an undisclosed date. The length of that deal with the Big Ten Network from 2016 is carried at least through the current deal, which has been announced through the 2029-30 season.

This relationship was known by athletic directors, television executives at rival networks and officials in other leagues, even if it wasn't announced publicly. It flashed out into the public at various times, including Sports Business Journal reporting in April 2022 that two Fox senior executives were in the room when various media companies -- ESPN, Amazon, NBC and others -- met with the league about their television packages.

What this also essentially meant was the latest round of Big Ten television deals were effectively sub-license arrangements, in which both the Big Ten Network and Fox essentially controlled the rights and worked with the Big Ten to sub-license them off. That meant a majority of the value of the deal had already been sold.

"It was a joint negotiation with the conference and FOX working together and doing deals with these other networks," said an industry source. "They both needed each other to do the deals."

That factor is key to understanding the issues Petitti faces. There are two new partners -- NBC and CBS -- attempting to work out their longform deals. There's a familiar partner, Fox, that's riding shotgun on this bumpy ride, including being upset Warren promised a title game Fox controlled without permission."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37693310/big-ten-new-commissioner-television-deal-coaches-uncertainty

They will get it worked out. Too much money and win-win scenarios not to.

Agree.

If former Big Ten Commissioner had to consult with coaches & ADs on every point, then the deal would not have gotten done due to too much debate over inconsequential details. Naive to think that marquee night games would not be required/part of the blockbuster deal. Play the November night games in Southern California at UCLA or at USC for better weather & a couple of more recovery hours for Midwestern based teams.

Te fact that the Big Ten Network owned the rights was known by many in the public; it was not a secret.

Screw that, I want to see USC and UCLA in the darned snow.

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Anonymous wrote:Currently, there are 14 universities in the Big Ten:

Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Northwestern
Nebraska
Purdue
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Iowa
Rutgers
Maryland
Minnesota
Illinois
Indiana

Next Year USC & UCLA will become members.

In 2025, possible/likely new members include: Univ. of Oregon, Univ. of Washington, Stanford, UCal-Berkeley, & Notre Dame.

In 2025, possible new members: UNC, Virginia, Georgia Tech.

If all join, then the Big Ten will be a 24 team mega-conference. Easy to divide into 4 six team divisions.

If both the Big Ten & the SEC expand to 24 teams, then the conferences may disassociate with the NCAA.

Why is this opinion being posted repeatedly?

To give the entire list of current & prospective members in one post.

Are you making things up? You cannot be serious that, for example, GA Tech football is anything like Big 10 Penn State, Ohio State, etc.

Georgia Tech has won 4 national championships in football--although 1990 was the most recent.

Georgia Tech is in the heart of the best football recruiting grounds in the country.

Georgia Tech fits in with Big ten academics.

Georgia Tech offers a new TV market to the Big Ten (Atlanta & the South).

Once Georgia Tech joins the Big Ten, the most fertile college football recruiting grounds become more open to all Big Ten teams.

But, yes, this is speculation although it has been discussed & considered over the last few years.

Long ago, Heisman (Heisman Trophy) coached football at Georgia Tech.

If Georgia Tech becomes a member of the Big Ten, it can compete with SEC teams for the top talent in the nation during recruiting season.

Dream on

https://si.com/college/georgiatech/could-georgia-tech-be-a-target-for-big-ten-or-sec-expansion

The above is just one of many articles regarding the Big ten's possible interest in adding Georgia Tech.

A more recent article written within the last month claims that the Big Ten has vetted 10 teams for possible membership including Georgia Tech:

https://onthebanks.com/2023/6/7/23752497/big-ten-reportedly-vetted-10-schools-with-eyes-on-expansion

The ten teams are:

Oregon
Washington
UCal-Berkeley
Stanford
Georgia Tech
UNC
Duke
U Miami
Univ.of Utah
Univ. of Virginia

According to many articles speculating on Big ten expansion, Georgia Tech is a serious target school due to TV market & fertile recruiting grounds in addition to the academic match.

If these teams were valuable assets in the current college athletics landscape, then their current conferences wouldn’t be behind financially as they are.

Interesting thought.

The Pac 12 has a time zone problem and the Pac 12 Network college football productions were of poor quality.

ACC is college basketball country.

Agreed, which is why some make the argument their (Pac 12 or ACC) teams don’t seem to be a good fit for the football obsessed Big Ten or SEC. Others disagree, fair enough.

USC, UCLA, Oregon, & Washington all have outstanding football programs which would/will benefit greatly from Big Ten Conference membership.

With added revenue from Big Ten Conference membership, ACC schools can afford to attract better coaches, players, and build top notch facilities.

This is why all these names being thrown around won't end up being invited anywhere. No existing B1G or SEC members would agree to give a slice of their revenue pie to another team/rival only to make the competition stronger.

if the TV contract is big enough, yes they will.

ND is the only non-Big Ten or SEC team that would shift the needle.

I’m not so sure that anything changes that much for the Big 10 w/without ND.

Per Wall Street Journal, ND is #5 on the list of most valuable college sports brands, which is the highest rank not already in SEC or Big Ten.

DP. Why Notre Dame ranks so high is unclear to me. Endlessly overrated teams.

It's less about the talent and more about the subway alum/alum culture. These fans would stand behind ND no matter what. It's been going on for years. Go Irish!

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Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

A one-time obligation of $5 million per team (current 14 teams) should not pose a problem as the average payout to each team from the Big Ten Conference was $58.8 million last year & expected to rise substantially this year.

Scheduling issues were to be expected under new TV/media rights contracts--especially so when expanding the number of member teams.

Look for more teams to be added to the Big Ten next year in addition to USC & UCLA as the Pac-12 TV contract expires in 2025 and no new agreement has been reached.

If you read the source article that SI summarized (anyone remember when SI was a real news source), it seems like a bigger complication. Fox owns 61% of the Big10 network which owns the rights to big10 games.

"In 2016, when the Big Ten announced its long-term television deal with Fox and ESPN, the announcement didn't include all the details. One of the things that didn't get disclosed at the time, nor as the new deal was being discussed in recent months, was that the Big Ten Network had acquired all of the league's programming rights back in 2016 through an undisclosed date. The length of that deal with the Big Ten Network from 2016 is carried at least through the current deal, which has been announced through the 2029-30 season.

This relationship was known by athletic directors, television executives at rival networks and officials in other leagues, even if it wasn't announced publicly. It flashed out into the public at various times, including Sports Business Journal reporting in April 2022 that two Fox senior executives were in the room when various media companies -- ESPN, Amazon, NBC and others -- met with the league about their television packages.

What this also essentially meant was the latest round of Big Ten television deals were effectively sub-license arrangements, in which both the Big Ten Network and Fox essentially controlled the rights and worked with the Big Ten to sub-license them off. That meant a majority of the value of the deal had already been sold.

"It was a joint negotiation with the conference and FOX working together and doing deals with these other networks," said an industry source. "They both needed each other to do the deals."

That factor is key to understanding the issues Petitti faces. There are two new partners -- NBC and CBS -- attempting to work out their longform deals. There's a familiar partner, Fox, that's riding shotgun on this bumpy ride, including being upset Warren promised a title game Fox controlled without permission."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37693310/big-ten-new-commissioner-television-deal-coaches-uncertainty

They will get it worked out. Too much money and win-win scenarios not to.

Agree.

If former Big Ten Commissioner had to consult with coaches & ADs on every point, then the deal would not have gotten done due to too much debate over inconsequential details. Naive to think that marquee night games would not be required/part of the blockbuster deal. Play the November night games in Southern California at UCLA or at USC for better weather & a couple of more recovery hours for Midwestern based teams.

Te fact that the Big Ten Network owned the rights was known by many in the public; it was not a secret.

Screw that, I want to see USC and UCLA in the darned snow.

And you will-but it probably will be "daytime snow".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

A one-time obligation of $5 million per team (current 14 teams) should not pose a problem as the average payout to each team from the Big Ten Conference was $58.8 million last year & expected to rise substantially this year.

Scheduling issues were to be expected under new TV/media rights contracts--especially so when expanding the number of member teams.

Look for more teams to be added to the Big Ten next year in addition to USC & UCLA as the Pac-12 TV contract expires in 2025 and no new agreement has been reached.

If you read the source article that SI summarized (anyone remember when SI was a real news source), it seems like a bigger complication. Fox owns 61% of the Big10 network which owns the rights to big10 games.

"In 2016, when the Big Ten announced its long-term television deal with Fox and ESPN, the announcement didn't include all the details. One of the things that didn't get disclosed at the time, nor as the new deal was being discussed in recent months, was that the Big Ten Network had acquired all of the league's programming rights back in 2016 through an undisclosed date. The length of that deal with the Big Ten Network from 2016 is carried at least through the current deal, which has been announced through the 2029-30 season.

This relationship was known by athletic directors, television executives at rival networks and officials in other leagues, even if it wasn't announced publicly. It flashed out into the public at various times, including Sports Business Journal reporting in April 2022 that two Fox senior executives were in the room when various media companies -- ESPN, Amazon, NBC and others -- met with the league about their television packages.

What this also essentially meant was the latest round of Big Ten television deals were effectively sub-license arrangements, in which both the Big Ten Network and Fox essentially controlled the rights and worked with the Big Ten to sub-license them off. That meant a majority of the value of the deal had already been sold.

"It was a joint negotiation with the conference and FOX working together and doing deals with these other networks," said an industry source. "They both needed each other to do the deals."

That factor is key to understanding the issues Petitti faces. There are two new partners -- NBC and CBS -- attempting to work out their longform deals. There's a familiar partner, Fox, that's riding shotgun on this bumpy ride, including being upset Warren promised a title game Fox controlled without permission."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37693310/big-ten-new-commissioner-television-deal-coaches-uncertainty

Well stated, this is a much larger issue than some want to admit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could spell trouble for the B1G

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-expansion-big-ten-problems-money-schedule-report

A one-time obligation of $5 million per team (current 14 teams) should not pose a problem as the average payout to each team from the Big Ten Conference was $58.8 million last year & expected to rise substantially this year.

Scheduling issues were to be expected under new TV/media rights contracts--especially so when expanding the number of member teams.

Look for more teams to be added to the Big Ten next year in addition to USC & UCLA as the Pac-12 TV contract expires in 2025 and no new agreement has been reached.

If you read the source article that SI summarized (anyone remember when SI was a real news source), it seems like a bigger complication. Fox owns 61% of the Big10 network which owns the rights to big10 games.

"In 2016, when the Big Ten announced its long-term television deal with Fox and ESPN, the announcement didn't include all the details. One of the things that didn't get disclosed at the time, nor as the new deal was being discussed in recent months, was that the Big Ten Network had acquired all of the league's programming rights back in 2016 through an undisclosed date. The length of that deal with the Big Ten Network from 2016 is carried at least through the current deal, which has been announced through the 2029-30 season.

This relationship was known by athletic directors, television executives at rival networks and officials in other leagues, even if it wasn't announced publicly. It flashed out into the public at various times, including Sports Business Journal reporting in April 2022 that two Fox senior executives were in the room when various media companies -- ESPN, Amazon, NBC and others -- met with the league about their television packages.

What this also essentially meant was the latest round of Big Ten television deals were effectively sub-license arrangements, in which both the Big Ten Network and Fox essentially controlled the rights and worked with the Big Ten to sub-license them off. That meant a majority of the value of the deal had already been sold.

"It was a joint negotiation with the conference and FOX working together and doing deals with these other networks," said an industry source. "They both needed each other to do the deals."

That factor is key to understanding the issues Petitti faces. There are two new partners -- NBC and CBS -- attempting to work out their longform deals. There's a familiar partner, Fox, that's riding shotgun on this bumpy ride, including being upset Warren promised a title game Fox controlled without permission."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37693310/big-ten-new-commissioner-television-deal-coaches-uncertainty

Well stated, this is a much larger issue than some want to admit.

Please back-up your claim: Why is it a much larger issue than some want to admit ?

I disagree with your assertion, but want to learn the basis of your position.