Why aren't rescue dogs free?

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Anonymous wrote:Money would be best spent sending high school and college students on service trips around the south, going door to door collecting animals to spay/neuter and return, or in a mobile vet van.

Better than a billionaire heiress flying dogs around the country.

You have no clue at all about how any of this works in the real world yet here you are acting like a know it all. SMH

Do you have any idea what a “mobile vet van” that can perform surgery actually costs? Hundreds of thousands. Sending a bunch of northerners on trips to the rural south where you would need to pay for food and board? Just think about the safety of that situation. Then not even rescuing any actual animals in need? If you are so clueless why would you even be arguing about this topic?

All of this, plus money is not necessarily the problem. Lots of people don't want to neuter their pet dogs, particularly if a northern do-gooder is telling them to do so. Other people think it would be fun or profitable to have some litters. And some only barely want / can afford their dogs so they may not want you to return it after surgery.
Free surgery won't change that mindste
I don't know what the reference to the heiress is about: most southern dogs move north via a chain of volunteers with vans, or sometimes hobby pilots who donate their time in a small plane. The greyhound racing industry is mostly gone now but it used to be really common to move adoptable greyhounds from Florida up the coast via volunteer drivers who each handled a segment of the trip.

Yes, and this tracks with the types of dogs we see in shelters. 80 percent of American dogs are neutered or spayed. That's pretty good! Pits and other bullies are neutered or spayed at sub 20% rates. That's a huge issue in terms of what kind of dogs make it into shelters and rescues. The Labs and Golden aren't running free throwing off 12+ puppy litters left and right. And yeah, a lot of these people who wont de-sex their dogs get a kick out of it. They want the biggest, angriest, bully they can make with the biggest balls a swinging. Free surgery won't change that mindset.

Let me finish by saying that people with these dogs generally treat them like shit. I don't know how to fix this problem.

In some ways, the success of neuter/spay campaigns is actually removing good family mutts from the gene pool and leaving the worst dogs to reproduce. I don’t know the answer either.

I agree completely. The age of the old, "American Mutt" is over, and those were great dogs! We're getting the worst of the gene pool breeding constantly, but good dos and owners spay an neuter with no litters. It's a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money would be best spent sending high school and college students on service trips around the south, going door to door collecting animals to spay/neuter and return, or in a mobile vet van.

Better than a billionaire heiress flying dogs around the country.

You have no clue at all about how any of this works in the real world yet here you are acting like a know it all. SMH

Do you have any idea what a “mobile vet van” that can perform surgery actually costs? Hundreds of thousands. Sending a bunch of northerners on trips to the rural south where you would need to pay for food and board? Just think about the safety of that situation. Then not even rescuing any actual animals in need? If you are so clueless why would you even be arguing about this topic?

All of this, plus money is not necessarily the problem. Lots of people don't want to neuter their pet dogs, particularly if a northern do-gooder is telling them to do so. Other people think it would be fun or profitable to have some litters. And some only barely want / can afford their dogs so they may not want you to return it after surgery.

I don't know what the reference to the heiress is about: most southern dogs move north via a chain of volunteers with vans, or sometimes hobby pilots who donate their time in a small plane. The greyhound racing industry is mostly gone now but it used to be really common to move adoptable greyhounds from Florida up the coast via volunteer drivers who each handled a segment of the trip.

It’s a barbaric process. I did not fully understand what it was when we did it. They need a less invasive procedure.

What are you referring to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Money would be best spent sending high school and college students on service trips around the south, going door to door collecting animals to spay/neuter and return, or in a mobile vet van.

Better than a billionaire heiress flying dogs around the country.

You have no clue at all about how any of this works in the real world yet here you are acting like a know it all. SMH

Do you have any idea what a “mobile vet van” that can perform surgery actually costs? Hundreds of thousands. Sending a bunch of northerners on trips to the rural south where you would need to pay for food and board? Just think about the safety of that situation. Then not even rescuing any actual animals in need? If you are so clueless why would you even be arguing about this topic?

All of this, plus money is not necessarily the problem. Lots of people don't want to neuter their pet dogs, particularly if a northern do-gooder is telling them to do so. Other people think it would be fun or profitable to have some litters. And some only barely want / can afford their dogs so they may not want you to return it after surgery.
Free surgery won't change that mindste
I don't know what the reference to the heiress is about: most southern dogs move north via a chain of volunteers with vans, or sometimes hobby pilots who donate their time in a small plane. The greyhound racing industry is mostly gone now but it used to be really common to move adoptable greyhounds from Florida up the coast via volunteer drivers who each handled a segment of the trip.

Yes, and this tracks with the types of dogs we see in shelters. 80 percent of American dogs are neutered or spayed. That's pretty good! Pits and other bullies are neutered or spayed at sub 20% rates. That's a huge issue in terms of what kind of dogs make it into shelters and rescues. The Labs and Golden aren't running free throwing off 12+ puppy litters left and right. And yeah, a lot of these people who wont de-sex their dogs get a kick out of it. They want the biggest, angriest, bully they can make with the biggest balls a swinging. Free surgery won't change that mindset.

Let me finish by saying that people with these dogs generally treat them like shit. I don't know how to fix this problem.

In some ways, the success of neuter/spay campaigns is actually removing good family mutts from the gene pool and leaving the worst dogs to reproduce. I don’t know the answer either.

I agree completely. The age of the old, "American Mutt" is over, and those were great dogs! We're getting the worst of the gene pool breeding constantly, but good dos and owners spay an neuter with no litters. It's a problem.

This is so not true. How many rescues have you adopted or been around?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money would be best spent sending high school and college students on service trips around the south, going door to door collecting animals to spay/neuter and return, or in a mobile vet van.

Better than a billionaire heiress flying dogs around the country.

You have no clue at all about how any of this works in the real world yet here you are acting like a know it all. SMH

Do you have any idea what a “mobile vet van” that can perform surgery actually costs? Hundreds of thousands. Sending a bunch of northerners on trips to the rural south where you would need to pay for food and board? Just think about the safety of that situation. Then not even rescuing any actual animals in need? If you are so clueless why would you even be arguing about this topic?

All of this, plus money is not necessarily the problem. Lots of people don't want to neuter their pet dogs, particularly if a northern do-gooder is telling them to do so. Other people think it would be fun or profitable to have some litters. And some only barely want / can afford their dogs so they may not want you to return it after surgery.

I don't know what the reference to the heiress is about: most southern dogs move north via a chain of volunteers with vans, or sometimes hobby pilots who donate their time in a small plane. The greyhound racing industry is mostly gone now but it used to be really common to move adoptable greyhounds from Florida up the coast via volunteer drivers who each handled a segment of the trip.

It’s a barbaric process. I did not fully understand what it was when we did it. They need a less invasive procedure.

What are you referring to?

Spay and neuter

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money would be best spent sending high school and college students on service trips around the south, going door to door collecting animals to spay/neuter and return, or in a mobile vet van.

Better than a billionaire heiress flying dogs around the country.

You have no clue at all about how any of this works in the real world yet here you are acting like a know it all. SMH

Do you have any idea what a “mobile vet van” that can perform surgery actually costs? Hundreds of thousands. Sending a bunch of northerners on trips to the rural south where you would need to pay for food and board? Just think about the safety of that situation. Then not even rescuing any actual animals in need? If you are so clueless why would you even be arguing about this topic?

All of this, plus money is not necessarily the problem. Lots of people don't want to neuter their pet dogs, particularly if a northern do-gooder is telling them to do so. Other people think it would be fun or profitable to have some litters. And some only barely want / can afford their dogs so they may not want you to return it after surgery.
Free surgery won't change that mindste
I don't know what the reference to the heiress is about: most southern dogs move north via a chain of volunteers with vans, or sometimes hobby pilots who donate their time in a small plane. The greyhound racing industry is mostly gone now but it used to be really common to move adoptable greyhounds from Florida up the coast via volunteer drivers who each handled a segment of the trip.

Yes, and this tracks with the types of dogs we see in shelters. 80 percent of American dogs are neutered or spayed. That's pretty good! Pits and other bullies are neutered or spayed at sub 20% rates. That's a huge issue in terms of what kind of dogs make it into shelters and rescues. The Labs and Golden aren't running free throwing off 12+ puppy litters left and right. And yeah, a lot of these people who wont de-sex their dogs get a kick out of it. They want the biggest, angriest, bully they can make with the biggest balls a swinging. Free surgery won't change that mindset.

Let me finish by saying that people with these dogs generally treat them like shit. I don't know how to fix this problem.

In some ways, the success of neuter/spay campaigns is actually removing good family mutts from the gene pool and leaving the worst dogs to reproduce. I don’t know the answer either.

I agree completely. The age of the old, "American Mutt" is over, and those were great dogs! We're getting the worst of the gene pool breeding constantly, but good dos and owners spay an neuter with no litters. It's a problem.

This is so not true. How many rescues have you adopted or been around?

Volunteered in a shelter for 15 years, fostered for 10, adopted 5 rescues.

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Not from DC, but are there any local only rescues around there? We adopted our dog from a local only rescue. Might have been $300. The did have to check our home out and we provided references. I found that odd because any breeder I went to before for all my previous pure breed dogs never required this, but I do understand.
Our dog came fixed, and house trained, so I think it was a pretty good deal in the end

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money would be best spent sending high school and college students on service trips around the south, going door to door collecting animals to spay/neuter and return, or in a mobile vet van.

Better than a billionaire heiress flying dogs around the country.

You have no clue at all about how any of this works in the real world yet here you are acting like a know it all. SMH

Do you have any idea what a “mobile vet van” that can perform surgery actually costs? Hundreds of thousands. Sending a bunch of northerners on trips to the rural south where you would need to pay for food and board? Just think about the safety of that situation. Then not even rescuing any actual animals in need? If you are so clueless why would you even be arguing about this topic?

All of this, plus money is not necessarily the problem. Lots of people don't want to neuter their pet dogs, particularly if a northern do-gooder is telling them to do so. Other people think it would be fun or profitable to have some litters. And some only barely want / can afford their dogs so they may not want you to return it after surgery.

I don't know what the reference to the heiress is about: most southern dogs move north via a chain of volunteers with vans, or sometimes hobby pilots who donate their time in a small plane. The greyhound racing industry is mostly gone now but it used to be really common to move adoptable greyhounds from Florida up the coast via volunteer drivers who each handled a segment of the trip.

It’s a barbaric process. I did not fully understand what it was when we did it. They need a less invasive procedure.

What are you referring to?

Spay and neuter

I’ve fostered about 15 puppies who’ve had surgery while we had them. It’s a big ol nothing. They don’t really appear to even notice after a day of sleeping it off.
Admittedly it’s more difficult in older animals, but it’s hardly barbaric. I don’t understand your comment at all.

[Anonymous]

The only undesirable dogs are those small barky ones. I’ve owned 5 dogs, none under 20 pounds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money would be best spent sending high school and college students on service trips around the south, going door to door collecting animals to spay/neuter and return, or in a mobile vet van.

Better than a billionaire heiress flying dogs around the country.

You have no clue at all about how any of this works in the real world yet here you are acting like a know it all. SMH

Do you have any idea what a “mobile vet van” that can perform surgery actually costs? Hundreds of thousands. Sending a bunch of northerners on trips to the rural south where you would need to pay for food and board? Just think about the safety of that situation. Then not even rescuing any actual animals in need? If you are so clueless why would you even be arguing about this topic?

All of this, plus money is not necessarily the problem. Lots of people don't want to neuter their pet dogs, particularly if a northern do-gooder is telling them to do so. Other people think it would be fun or profitable to have some litters. And some only barely want / can afford their dogs so they may not want you to return it after surgery.

I don't know what the reference to the heiress is about: most southern dogs move north via a chain of volunteers with vans, or sometimes hobby pilots who donate their time in a small plane. The greyhound racing industry is mostly gone now but it used to be really common to move adoptable greyhounds from Florida up the coast via volunteer drivers who each handled a segment of the trip.

It’s a barbaric process. I did not fully understand what it was when we did it. They need a less invasive procedure.

What are you referring to?

Spay and neuter

I’ve fostered about 15 puppies who’ve had surgery while we had them. It’s a big ol nothing. They don’t really appear to even notice after a day of sleeping it off.
Admittedly it’s more difficult in older animals, but it’s hardly barbaric. I don’t understand your comment at all.

Maybe you were lucky, maybe you just didn't give the dogs much attention but our dog was miserable for over a week and needed pain medication for about 10 days. It was a major surgery and a huge deal. She took another few weeks to recover and get back to herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah the high fee stopped us from adopting one

Racism stopped me.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money would be best spent sending high school and college students on service trips around the south, going door to door collecting animals to spay/neuter and return, or in a mobile vet van.

Better than a billionaire heiress flying dogs around the country.

You have no clue at all about how any of this works in the real world yet here you are acting like a know it all. SMH

Do you have any idea what a “mobile vet van” that can perform surgery actually costs? Hundreds of thousands. Sending a bunch of northerners on trips to the rural south where you would need to pay for food and board? Just think about the safety of that situation. Then not even rescuing any actual animals in need? If you are so clueless why would you even be arguing about this topic?

All of this, plus money is not necessarily the problem. Lots of people don't want to neuter their pet dogs, particularly if a northern do-gooder is telling them to do so. Other people think it would be fun or profitable to have some litters. And some only barely want / can afford their dogs so they may not want you to return it after surgery.

I don't know what the reference to the heiress is about: most southern dogs move north via a chain of volunteers with vans, or sometimes hobby pilots who donate their time in a small plane. The greyhound racing industry is mostly gone now but it used to be really common to move adoptable greyhounds from Florida up the coast via volunteer drivers who each handled a segment of the trip.

It’s a barbaric process. I did not fully understand what it was when we did it. They need a less invasive procedure.

What are you referring to?

Spay and neuter

I’ve fostered about 15 puppies who’ve had surgery while we had them. It’s a big ol nothing. They don’t really appear to even notice after a day of sleeping it off.
Admittedly it’s more difficult in older animals, but it’s hardly barbaric. I don’t understand your comment at all.

Maybe you were lucky, maybe you just didn't give the dogs much attention but our dog was miserable for over a week and needed pain medication for about 10 days. It was a major surgery and a huge deal. She took another few weeks to recover and get back to herself.

This isn’t the norm. I think your dog is the outlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many people complain that there are too many dogs in shelters and people shouldn't buy purebreds when there are perfectly good dogs who may be euthanized.

But then it costs $400 and a home visit to make sure you have a fence to be allowed to adopt.

Wouldn't those shelters be less filled if it's actually easier to adopt?

I don't get it.

Because there are people who will torture them for fun, or use them for dog fighting, or eat them or whatever. We like to hope that a few hundred dollars will deter them.