Republican controlled states - Limiting college students’ voting rights

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

I have no idea what the requirements are in every state to register to vote. I assume, though, one has to establish residency. So, do that. Again, I'm not saying that any particular form of local ID should be required.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Why?

Also curious to know why the ^PP thinks there's a difference between a college student living in that state for 4 years vs a military person living overseas or another state for 3 years.

Your friend has AK residency, but have they lived there for most of the year for the past 3 years? If not, then why do they get to decide how the state is run?

Generally, each state has a residency limit for filing taxes. So, if you lived in the state for x number of months (usually like 6 months + 1 day), and you worked in that state, then you have to pay taxes.

Your friend in AK who has not lived or worked there in 3 years wouldn't have to file state taxes there (I know AK has no income tax, but this is just an example), but he can vote on things that impact that state? Whereas, the college student who has been living in that state for 3 years, 11months out of the year, possibly working and paying taxes to that state, has no rights to vote on matters of the state that will impact their lives? All because they don't have a DL for that state?

How does that seem right?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

I have no idea what the requirements are in every state to register to vote. I assume, though, one has to establish residency. So, do that. Again, I'm not saying that any particular form of local ID should be required.

Then what are you arguing or with whom? because no one is arguing that students should be able to vote at home and at school...the point is if they have est. perm. or temp residency, the ID should be enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

I have no idea what the requirements are in every state to register to vote. I assume, though, one has to establish residency. So, do that. Again, I'm not saying that any particular form of local ID should be required.

Wouldn't living in that state for 11 months out of the year for four years establish some sort of residency? More so than someone who moved there six months ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

You used flashing and I just went from there.

Since when are you the arbiter of what is a sufficient ID for voting? There are many SOS, judges, professional associations, academics, advocates, etc who do not agree with you.

I'm not, the state is. But, you've convinced me - as long as the advocates say it's OK, who am I to argue?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

I have no idea what the requirements are in every state to register to vote. I assume, though, one has to establish residency. So, do that. Again, I'm not saying that any particular form of local ID should be required.

Wouldn't living in that state for 11 months out of the year for four years establish some sort of residency? More so than someone who moved there six months ago.

If they are keeping a driver's license in another state? No. If they are living in temporary housing (such as a dorm room)? In my opinion, no, though I understand some state's laws are different.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Why?

Also curious to know why the ^PP thinks there's a difference between a college student living in that state for 4 years vs a military person living overseas or another state for 3 years.

Your friend has AK residency, but have they lived there for most of the year for the past 3 years? If not, then why do they get to decide how the state is run?

Generally, each state has a residency limit for filing taxes. So, if you lived in the state for x number of months (usually like 6 months + 1 day), and you worked in that state, then you have to pay taxes.

Your friend in AK who has not lived or worked there in 3 years wouldn't have to file state taxes there (I know AK has no income tax, but this is just an example), but he can vote on things that impact that state? Whereas, the college student who has been living in that state for 3 years, 11months out of the year, possibly working and paying taxes to that state, has no rights to vote on matters of the state that will impact their lives? All because they don't have a DL for that state?

How does that seem right?

Why? Because there is a federal law that says so. It is a benefit to serving members of the armed forces. Are you seriously suggesting that college students should receive the same benefits as military members? Should we provide treatment at the VA hospitals, as well?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

I have no idea what the requirements are in every state to register to vote. I assume, though, one has to establish residency. So, do that. Again, I'm not saying that any particular form of local ID should be required.

Then what are you arguing or with whom? because no one is arguing that students should be able to vote at home and at school...the point is if they have est. perm. or temp residency, the ID should be enough.

I am arguing with those that believe, apparently, that a student ID is prima facie evidence of residency. If, as you say, they have established residency, this is all moot. But using the ID in order to establish residency is the sticking point.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

I have no idea what the requirements are in every state to register to vote. I assume, though, one has to establish residency. So, do that. Again, I'm not saying that any particular form of local ID should be required.

Then what are you arguing or with whom? because no one is arguing that students should be able to vote at home and at school...the point is if they have est. perm. or temp residency, the ID should be enough.

I am arguing with those that believe, apparently, that a student ID is prima facie evidence of residency. If, as you say, they have established residency, this is all moot. But using the ID in order to establish residency is the sticking point.

Then you are arguing a straw man, because no one is saying that. When you go to register online to vote, you're going to need more than an ID

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

I lived in my college town 11 months out of the year. I was a resident, obviously.

Really? You were paying taxes there? Registering your car there? Please.

DP. LOL. Tell me you never paid rent as a college student without telling me

I WORKED while I was in college. Of course I registered my car where I lived (‘my college town). I paid for my car registration, insurance, gas, repairs, etc.

Leave it to a Republican to not know that some young people actually work for a living.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

Having a state ID or drivers license are not and should not be requirements to vote.

Why not?

Because the right to vote is so fundamental to our society that there should be no cost or barrier to exercising that right. It’s the most pure right we have in a democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:Several Republican controlled state legislatures are trying to limit college students’ right to vote by enacting/trying to enact laws that don’t recognize college issued student ID cards for voting purposes. In light of this and increased restrictions on abortions, should out of state parents and students opt out of colleges in such states?

You should vote where you live and not on a temporary campus. Good for states to enforce. I voted in college and it was appropriate to my state where my drivers license was etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Several Republican controlled state legislatures are trying to limit college students’ right to vote by enacting/trying to enact laws that don’t recognize college issued student ID cards for voting purposes. In light of this and increased restrictions on abortions, should out of state parents and students opt out of colleges in such states?

You should vote where you live and not on a temporary campus. Good for states to enforce. I voted in college and it was appropriate to my state where my drivers license was etc.

What is a temporary campus? I lived off-campus in duplexes with year-long leases starting at the end of freshmen year.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

I lived in my college town 11 months out of the year. I was a resident, obviously.

Really? You were paying taxes there? Registering your car there? Please.

DP. LOL. Tell me you never paid rent as a college student without telling me

I WORKED while I was in college. Of course I registered my car where I lived (‘my college town). I paid for my car registration, insurance, gas, repairs, etc.

Leave it to a Republican to not know that some young people actually work for a living.

If you permanently moved then yes you are a resident. Meaning your changed your license and license plate etc. If you waitressed for during the year and got a temp parking permit then no you are not a resident.

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Anonymous wrote:Several Republican controlled state legislatures are trying to limit college students’ right to vote by enacting/trying to enact laws that don’t recognize college issued student ID cards for voting purposes. In light of this and increased restrictions on abortions, should out of state parents and students opt out of colleges in such states?

You should vote where you live and not on a temporary campus. Good for states to enforce. I voted in college and it was appropriate to my state where my drivers license was etc.

What if you don’t have a permanent address (i.e. your parents bounce from motel to shelters)?