Republican controlled states - Limiting college students’ voting rights

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

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Anonymous wrote:College students should vote absentee with parents’ address. That’s what my DD does for every election.

I lived in my home state for 2 months in freshman year and then for 1-2 weeks over winter break. Aside, I stayed in the state where my college was located year-round because I got jobs/internships. I was way more invested in the state where my college was located. I had no idea what was happening back home when it came to local elections.

Just saying.

So, we have this cool thing called the internet now.

So access to the internet should determine where one votes?

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Anonymous wrote:College students should vote absentee with parents’ address. That’s what my DD does for every election.

I lived in my home state for 2 months in freshman year and then for 1-2 weeks over winter break. Aside, I stayed in the state where my college was located year-round because I got jobs/internships. I was way more invested in the state where my college was located. I had no idea what was happening back home when it came to local elections.

Just saying.

So, we have this cool thing called the internet now.

So access to the internet should determine where one votes?

“I had no idea what was happening back home when it came to local elections.”

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Why?

Whne and where has anyone stated that it is or has been? The issue is that college IDs for students are official IDs...they should be accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

Having a state ID or drivers license are not and should not be requirements to vote.

Why not?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

Having a state ID or drivers license are not and should not be requirements to vote.

Why not?

Because IDs aren’t free.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Why?

Whne and where has anyone stated that it is or has been? The issue is that college IDs for students are official IDs...they should be accepted.

Are they? I can see the argument if a kid goes to a public university because then the ID is technically being issued by an arm of the state government, but what is official about a student ID issued by a private university?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:College students should vote absentee with parents’ address. That’s what my DD does for every election.

I lived in my home state for 2 months in freshman year and then for 1-2 weeks over winter break. Aside, I stayed in the state where my college was located year-round because I got jobs/internships. I was way more invested in the state where my college was located. I had no idea what was happening back home when it came to local elections.

Just saying.

So, we have this cool thing called the internet now.

So access to the internet should determine where one votes?

I think they are saying that a college student should be staying up to date on what's happening back home because of the internet. The fact is that these students live in the communities where their colleges are located and probably care more about what is happening there than what is happening back at home. Some many be temporary, but there are lots of people who only live in a place for a few years before moving on.

You should be able to vote where you live. To put requirements like owning property, owning a car, etc is akin to an old fashioned poll tax.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:College students should vote absentee with parents’ address. That’s what my DD does for every election.

I lived in my home state for 2 months in freshman year and then for 1-2 weeks over winter break. Aside, I stayed in the state where my college was located year-round because I got jobs/internships. I was way more invested in the state where my college was located. I had no idea what was happening back home when it came to local elections.

Just saying.

So, we have this cool thing called the internet now.

So access to the internet should determine where one votes?

I think they are saying that a college student should be staying up to date on what's happening back home because of the internet. The fact is that these students live in the communities where their colleges are located and probably care more about what is happening there than what is happening back at home. Some many be temporary, but there are lots of people who only live in a place for a few years before moving on.

You should be able to vote where you live. To put requirements like owning property, owning a car, etc is akin to an old fashioned poll tax.

I should have included /s

I knew what the PP meant and think it is a ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

That is far from universally true

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^ and again, trying to make it harder for students to vote when it has not been shown that there is ANY voter fraud among this group, or anywhere really, is about voter suppression, not voting integrity,

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

Getting a lcoal ID, however, is not a requirement for residence. To enroll in school, students have to provide all the same documentation to get that ID as a driver's license. So why should it not be acceptable when it absolutely was and has been for the last 20 years or so that voter ID laws have even been a thing?

That is far from universally true

So you can just oll up to a school, enroll without a SSN or a BC and get a school ID? Wow. Who knew/!

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Newsflash (sticking with your verb choice here): Many states believe that NO ID does not preclude voting. They don't think that a state ID is evidence of anything other than a state ID.

I never said newsflash?

Regardless, I didn't say a state ID was required, only that it is sufficient. And a college ID is not sufficient. Once again, for the third time, "If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register."

You used flashing and I just went from there.

Since when are you the arbiter of what is a sufficient ID for voting? There are many SOS, judges, professional associations, academics, advocates, etc who do not agree with you.