This is getting ridiculous

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

There was no treatment for polio back in the day, but there is now. Should someone who comes in with Polio today be left to die? After all, it wouldn’t be fair to treat them. Since treatment hasn’t always existed. Right?

So now URM are lepers? Your argument is flawed.

A leper is “a person who is avoided or rejected by others for moral or social reasons.” Yes. That rejection has happened for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

There was no treatment for polio back in the day, but there is now. Should someone who comes in with Polio today be left to die? After all, it wouldn’t be fair to treat them. Since treatment hasn’t always existed. Right?

How long we gonna play the reparations game? At whose expense? The next Bill Gates? GMAB.

It hasn’t even started.

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Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

I hope this is a troll post. Otherwise it is a great travesty.

This may be a lot of things, most likely a troll post but some rando UMC kid having to go a non top 50 college is anything but a travesty.

Did you look at that kids stats? Here is a snippet - "1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning"

Those are not easy to get. It takes a lot of commitment and hardwork. I know because I have seen my son go through it for similar stats.

No kidding and I’m sure the kids who were actually admitted would say the same about their own paths. Perhaps it’s harder to work a part time job, take several buses to school, take care of feeding and transporting siblings and relatives, and maintain a high gpa and play a competitor sport the list goes on. Is it harder to raise two kids, five, seven, ten? I don’t know and neither do you but I am more inclined to be believe that whoever is fortunate enough to be admitted to there schools earned the right to be there. And Varsity Blues has taught us that too many did not. Teach your kids that wherever they end up they will be great and stop telling them they are more deserving than anyone else when you don’t know their story. This why people love athletics because you learn that a Tom Brady can become a Tom Brady even when they weren’t a high draft pick. You learn a team can win all year and get taken out by a lower seeded team in the championships, it’s called life.

PP here - absolutely agree with you on not being a victim. That's so disempowering and sets you up for a life of perpetual discontent.

Your argument is a straw-man. I am not sure that many of the kids who got into CS had the kind of hardships you describe. Vast majority of them don't. I know because I have been tracking a lot of Reddit college forums lately and have seen the stats and EC's of many admitted kids. May be they did a better job telling their story. But admission to CS should not be based on story telling alone. These are hard skills which require lot of passion and drive. To be clear, I have benefited from this system. My own son got into a few t20s with similar stats and I am grateful for that. But I also think this process is messed up and we owe it to future generations to fix it.

The system is messed up because qualified kids are being rejected in favor of less qualified kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

There was no treatment for polio back in the day, but there is now. Should someone who comes in with Polio today be left to die? After all, it wouldn’t be fair to treat them. Since treatment hasn’t always existed. Right?

How long we gonna play the reparations game? At whose expense? The next Bill Gates? GMAB.

It hasn’t even started.

Ok, you think that,.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

There was no treatment for polio back in the day, but there is now. Should someone who comes in with Polio today be left to die? After all, it wouldn’t be fair to treat them. Since treatment hasn’t always existed. Right?

So now URM are lepers? Your argument is flawed.

A leper is “a person who is avoided or rejected by others for moral or social reasons.” Yes. That rejection has happened for a long time.

Stereotyping happens in all types. My family just got here, and did nothing to your family.

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Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

I hope this is a troll post. Otherwise it is a great travesty.

This may be a lot of things, most likely a troll post but some rando UMC kid having to go a non top 50 college is anything but a travesty.

Did you look at that kids stats? Here is a snippet - "1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning"

Those are not easy to get. It takes a lot of commitment and hardwork. I know because I have seen my son go through it for similar stats.

No kidding and I’m sure the kids who were actually admitted would say the same about their own paths. Perhaps it’s harder to work a part time job, take several buses to school, take care of feeding and transporting siblings and relatives, and maintain a high gpa and play a competitor sport the list goes on. Is it harder to raise two kids, five, seven, ten? I don’t know and neither do you but I am more inclined to be believe that whoever is fortunate enough to be admitted to there schools earned the right to be there. And Varsity Blues has taught us that too many did not. Teach your kids that wherever they end up they will be great and stop telling them they are more deserving than anyone else when you don’t know their story. This why people love athletics because you learn that a Tom Brady can become a Tom Brady even when they weren’t a high draft pick. You learn a team can win all year and get taken out by a lower seeded team in the championships, it’s called life.

PP here - absolutely agree with you on not being a victim. That's so disempowering and sets you up for a life of perpetual discontent.

Your argument is a straw-man. I am not sure that many of the kids who got into CS had the kind of hardships you describe. Vast majority of them don't. I know because I have been tracking a lot of Reddit college forums lately and have seen the stats and EC's of many admitted kids. May be they did a better job telling their story. But admission to CS should not be based on story telling alone. These are hard skills which require lot of passion and drive. To be clear, I have benefited from this system. My own son got into a few t20s with similar stats and I am grateful for that. But I also think this process is messed up and we owe it to future generations to fix it.

The system is messed up because qualified kids are being rejected in favor of less qualified kids.

Define “qualified.”

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Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

I hope this is a troll post. Otherwise it is a great travesty.

This may be a lot of things, most likely a troll post but some rando UMC kid having to go a non top 50 college is anything but a travesty.

Did you look at that kids stats? Here is a snippet - "1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning"

Those are not easy to get. It takes a lot of commitment and hardwork. I know because I have seen my son go through it for similar stats.

No kidding and I’m sure the kids who were actually admitted would say the same about their own paths. Perhaps it’s harder to work a part time job, take several buses to school, take care of feeding and transporting siblings and relatives, and maintain a high gpa and play a competitor sport the list goes on. Is it harder to raise two kids, five, seven, ten? I don’t know and neither do you but I am more inclined to be believe that whoever is fortunate enough to be admitted to there schools earned the right to be there. And Varsity Blues has taught us that too many did not. Teach your kids that wherever they end up they will be great and stop telling them they are more deserving than anyone else when you don’t know their story. This why people love athletics because you learn that a Tom Brady can become a Tom Brady even when they weren’t a high draft pick. You learn a team can win all year and get taken out by a lower seeded team in the championships, it’s called life.

PP here - absolutely agree with you on not being a victim. That's so disempowering and sets you up for a life of perpetual discontent.

Your argument is a straw-man. I am not sure that many of the kids who got into CS had the kind of hardships you describe. Vast majority of them don't. I know because I have been tracking a lot of Reddit college forums lately and have seen the stats and EC's of many admitted kids. May be they did a better job telling their story. But admission to CS should not be based on story telling alone. These are hard skills which require lot of passion and drive. To be clear, I have benefited from this system. My own son got into a few t20s with similar stats and I am grateful for that. But I also think this process is messed up and we owe it to future generations to fix it.

The system is messed up because qualified kids are being rejected in favor of less qualified kids.

Huh? Until this poster fesses up as to what school rejected him and what "less qualified" student took his spot ..that is bull crap. Did kid get rejected from Harvard or something? Cry us a river

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say this is all because of diversity, for argument's sake.

Think about any movie with a business boardroom scene made before 1990. All white men. That's pretty much how it was. Do you want that to change, or not?

Consider that there are often factors that help privileged white males be more successful, that may not be present in other groups. For example, having many role models to look up to is a huge factor. It shows you from a young age, that is possible for me. And that mentality affects everything you do.

We are going to ignore this, and just go based on the top stats, forever?

NP here. I have to intervene in this BS. I am first generation, first in my family to have a college degree, and you would never know by looking at me, if you were biased against my kind.

So shove it with your bias and stereotyping.

You want to pull down the ladder.

You want to assume I got a free scholarship under your free scholarship terms.

Shove your assumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

I hope this is a troll post. Otherwise it is a great travesty.

This may be a lot of things, most likely a troll post but some rando UMC kid having to go a non top 50 college is anything but a travesty.

Did you look at that kids stats? Here is a snippet - "1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning"

Those are not easy to get. It takes a lot of commitment and hardwork. I know because I have seen my son go through it for similar stats.

No kidding and I’m sure the kids who were actually admitted would say the same about their own paths. Perhaps it’s harder to work a part time job, take several buses to school, take care of feeding and transporting siblings and relatives, and maintain a high gpa and play a competitor sport the list goes on. Is it harder to raise two kids, five, seven, ten? I don’t know and neither do you but I am more inclined to be believe that whoever is fortunate enough to be admitted to there schools earned the right to be there. And Varsity Blues has taught us that too many did not. Teach your kids that wherever they end up they will be great and stop telling them they are more deserving than anyone else when you don’t know their story. This why people love athletics because you learn that a Tom Brady can become a Tom Brady even when they weren’t a high draft pick. You learn a team can win all year and get taken out by a lower seeded team in the championships, it’s called life.

PP here - absolutely agree with you on not being a victim. That's so disempowering and sets you up for a life of perpetual discontent.

Your argument is a straw-man. I am not sure that many of the kids who got into CS had the kind of hardships you describe. Vast majority of them don't. I know because I have been tracking a lot of Reddit college forums lately and have seen the stats and EC's of many admitted kids. May be they did a better job telling their story. But admission to CS should not be based on story telling alone. These are hard skills which require lot of passion and drive. To be clear, I have benefited from this system. My own son got into a few t20s with similar stats and I am grateful for that. But I also think this process is messed up and we owe it to future generations to fix it.

The system is messed up because qualified kids are being rejected in favor of less qualified kids.

Huh? Until this poster fesses up as to what school rejected him and what "less qualified" student took his spot ..that is bull crap. Did kid get rejected from Harvard or something? Cry us a river

Look around on campus. Yes, you are right, it absolutely stinks worse than bull crap.

You don't know where this kid was rejected from, or his story, so stop pretending to know.

He has the stats, period.

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Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

I hope this is a troll post. Otherwise it is a great travesty.

This may be a lot of things, most likely a troll post but some rando UMC kid having to go a non top 50 college is anything but a travesty.

Did you look at that kids stats? Here is a snippet - "1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning"

Those are not easy to get. It takes a lot of commitment and hardwork. I know because I have seen my son go through it for similar stats.

No kidding and I’m sure the kids who were actually admitted would say the same about their own paths. Perhaps it’s harder to work a part time job, take several buses to school, take care of feeding and transporting siblings and relatives, and maintain a high gpa and play a competitor sport the list goes on. Is it harder to raise two kids, five, seven, ten? I don’t know and neither do you but I am more inclined to be believe that whoever is fortunate enough to be admitted to there schools earned the right to be there. And Varsity Blues has taught us that too many did not. Teach your kids that wherever they end up they will be great and stop telling them they are more deserving than anyone else when you don’t know their story. This why people love athletics because you learn that a Tom Brady can become a Tom Brady even when they weren’t a high draft pick. You learn a team can win all year and get taken out by a lower seeded team in the championships, it’s called life.

PP here - absolutely agree with you on not being a victim. That's so disempowering and sets you up for a life of perpetual discontent.

Your argument is a straw-man. I am not sure that many of the kids who got into CS had the kind of hardships you describe. Vast majority of them don't. I know because I have been tracking a lot of Reddit college forums lately and have seen the stats and EC's of many admitted kids. May be they did a better job telling their story. But admission to CS should not be based on story telling alone. These are hard skills which require lot of passion and drive. To be clear, I have benefited from this system. My own son got into a few t20s with similar stats and I am grateful for that. But I also think this process is messed up and we owe it to future generations to fix it.

The system is messed up because qualified kids are being rejected in favor of less qualified kids.

Define “qualified.”

Let me spell this out for you. If someone has the stats, they are qualified.

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Someone on this thread feels owed even though they don't have the stats.

Interesting.

What else they feel owed?

Psshhht.

[Anonymous]

Harvard and the like are looking for the next LEADERS. That has nothing to do with test scores or GPA. In the real work, looks, appearance, height, determination, grit, time-management, bravery, wealth, brand and other factors matter more than your child’s AP Chem score.

They want athletes, activists, kids who’ve had a paying job throughout high school, celebrities, true geniuses, musicians and diamonds in the rough. Kids in those categories are most likely to go on to shine as leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

I hope this is a troll post. Otherwise it is a great travesty.

This may be a lot of things, most likely a troll post but some rando UMC kid having to go a non top 50 college is anything but a travesty.

Did you look at that kids stats? Here is a snippet - "1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning"

Those are not easy to get. It takes a lot of commitment and hardwork. I know because I have seen my son go through it for similar stats.

No kidding and I’m sure the kids who were actually admitted would say the same about their own paths. Perhaps it’s harder to work a part time job, take several buses to school, take care of feeding and transporting siblings and relatives, and maintain a high gpa and play a competitor sport the list goes on. Is it harder to raise two kids, five, seven, ten? I don’t know and neither do you but I am more inclined to be believe that whoever is fortunate enough to be admitted to there schools earned the right to be there. And Varsity Blues has taught us that too many did not. Teach your kids that wherever they end up they will be great and stop telling them they are more deserving than anyone else when you don’t know their story. This why people love athletics because you learn that a Tom Brady can become a Tom Brady even when they weren’t a high draft pick. You learn a team can win all year and get taken out by a lower seeded team in the championships, it’s called life.

PP here - absolutely agree with you on not being a victim. That's so disempowering and sets you up for a life of perpetual discontent.

Your argument is a straw-man. I am not sure that many of the kids who got into CS had the kind of hardships you describe. Vast majority of them don't. I know because I have been tracking a lot of Reddit college forums lately and have seen the stats and EC's of many admitted kids. May be they did a better job telling their story. But admission to CS should not be based on story telling alone. These are hard skills which require lot of passion and drive. To be clear, I have benefited from this system. My own son got into a few t20s with similar stats and I am grateful for that. But I also think this process is messed up and we owe it to future generations to fix it.

The system is messed up because qualified kids are being rejected in favor of less qualified kids.

Define “qualified.”

Let me spell this out for you. If someone has the stats, they are qualified.

That’s meaningless. Tens of thousands of kids got “the” stats (whatever that means). And many of those kids will have poor social skills, be rude, be too one-dimensional and not be able to relate to anyone different from them.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like maybe part of this is admissions committees don’t understand some of the CS technology so can’t evaluate the applications well? I know my kid included maybe too many technical terms in describing their achievements.

That could be part of it. It could also be school selection. My son and a couple of his buddies were certain that they will get into t10s. They are all having a truly humbling experience. As somebody on Reddit put it - CS can make your safeties look like reach schools.

Yes, certainly admissions workers would not have understood the technical terms. White males and Asians really need to be strong in a sport nowadays otherwise they get passed over for lower stats of other ethnicities.

When multiple schools return the same decision, you have to wonder if that t was a strong as the OP is saying it was. Or did they aim too high, not realizing that thousands of top students are competing for a few hundred spots?

Ummm, no, it's that everyone is "highly qualified" so unless you are "hooked" it's a lottery. When did you last win the lottery?

But it's not a lottery. A lottery treats everyone the same. But most kids who get into top colleges noawadays are "hooked." Having a "hook" is basically like a cheat code.

Would you still play the mega millions lottery where nobody wins except those with a golden key to open the hidden treasure vault?

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Anonymous wrote:The good news is it doesn’t matter what college you go to for CS. In fact, you kid is probably better off at a less intense school.

You don’t need to restrict this to CS. Undergrad doesn’t matter at all.

Definitely! Going to a prestige school and having that on your resume Doesn't Matter At All when applying for jobs in the few years right after graduation. When receiving 300 applications for the same position, hiring managers do _not_ consider your undergrad institution -- At All! -- when deciding which of the 300 applications to consider further.

Their algorithms also don't search for the names of selected schools to whittle down the literally thousands of blind applications that come in through job boards.

And definitely, hiring teams from top companies do on-campus recruiting at 100% of all US colleges during senior year -- they don't just restrict their recruiting to certain schools! Somehow they have the resources to fan out across the country and be present at 2,000 colleges to talk to any qualified undergrad.

So glad you shared this secret PP