Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

blahblahblahblah it is obvious you have not looked at this course.

Please do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

blahblahblahblah it is obvious you have not looked at this course.

Please do.

Except I have. What have you been looking at?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

blahblahblahblah it is obvious you have not looked at this course.

Please do.

Except I have. What have you been looking at?

Fox "News"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

The issue isn't that the courses discriminate against URM, it's that URM have less access to AP courses and take them a lower rate, which in turn affects their college readiness. An AP course in African-American studies might be more popular with URM, right? And maybe inspire them to want to go to college and study further?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

blahblahblahblah it is obvious you have not looked at this course.

Please do.

Except I have. What have you been looking at?

You're lying.

Share a link to the syllabus please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

blahblahblahblah it is obvious you have not looked at this course.

Please do.

Please provide your argument with supporting details. Still waiting.

If you can't, perhaps you might benefit from a highschool level writing class on how to construct a persuasive argument?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

blahblahblahblah it is obvious you have not looked at this course.

Please do.

Please provide specific examples of curriculum that offends you. What specific topics are you against? Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you people even know what intersectionality is?

It is a sophisticated concept, that helps people analyze issues.

Black men do not have the same lives as black women. Gay blacks do not have the same lives as straight blacks.

Studying people as if they belong to one group/have one identity is too simplistic. Why would you not want young adults to understand that?

Do you people even know what intersectionality is?

YES, IT'S BS


It is a sophisticated concept, that helps people analyze issues.

NOPE, MORE LIKE THE OPPOSITE. TO ANALYZE ISSUES YOU NEED TO BREAK THINGS DOWN, NOT THE OPPOSITE. IT I SAY, ALL PROBLEMS ON EARTH ARE CREATED BY MARTIANS IN CAHOOTS WITH JEWS, IS THAT A "SOPHISTICATED CONCEPT" OR JUST CRAZY TALK?

Black men do not have the same lives as black women. Gay blacks do not have the same lives as straight blacks.


VERY TRUE. NOW, WHY DIDN'T YOU MENTION THE REAL STRUGGLES OF GAY BLACK REPUBLICANS? HMMMMMM

Studying people as if they belong to one group/have one identity is too simplistic. Why would you not want young adults to understand that?


WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO STUDY INDIVIDUALS AS INDIVIDUALS. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT YOUNG ADULTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT????

Black gay Republicans — yes, I can imagine the problems those few black gay Republicans have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should take a look at regular AP History as well.
Stanley Kurtz wrote about how they politicized it with leftwing propaganda. He suggested creating an alternative standard curriculum to challenge College Board.

AP Classes are supposed to be college level classes. What do you think your average college history class is gonna be like?

The history classes I took in college were not leftwing propaganda. I think the closest it came was the professor complaining about wars that were not declared by Congress, and he was thankful that he wasn't draft eligible anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

blahblahblahblah it is obvious you have not looked at this course.

Please do.

Please provide specific examples of curriculum that offends you. What specific topics are you against? Why?

They'll probably bring up the part that acknowledges the existence of black queer people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should take a look at regular AP History as well.
Stanley Kurtz wrote about how they politicized it with leftwing propaganda. He suggested creating an alternative standard curriculum to challenge College Board.

AP Classes are supposed to be college level classes. What do you think your average college history class is gonna be like?

The history classes I took in college were not leftwing propaganda. I think the closest it came was the professor complaining about wars that were not declared by Congress, and he was thankful that he wasn't draft eligible anymore.

The folks claiming they are leftwing propaganda didn't actually take history classes in college. This is part of the problem. They fear that which they have not actually experienced and make up accusations they cannot support with actual examples.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is there an AP African-American Studies course?

Because it is not routinely taught in the current white washed version kids learn about in schools. But, come on, you already know that.

DP

Then shouldn’t we demand a rigorous and factually accurate history curriculum for everyone?

I went to private school K-12 and received an excellent education. My kids are in mcps and I am told they are receiving a high quality education, but I’m not convinced.

US and World History are precisely the topics that could be standardized through a high quality curriculum. States could develop their own special curriculum covering their state.

Why is this so hard?

We should be able to print textbooks for US and World History that accurately cover the facts—including relevant black, Latino, Asian, etc.

Having said that, special AP courses that take a deeper dive on interesting topics are a good thing imho.

Conservatives don’t want the accurate facts. Because facts — such as, this land we live on was occupied by nations when the Europeans arrived, and those nations were pushed off their land, persecuted, killed, and made to sign treaties that the whites in power broke over and over again— destroy the long-standing image of the United States as a divinely blessed entity whose existence had to be.

We're careful about the facts that we teach. Remember learning about the time when the Haitian American Sugar Company successfully lobbied the US government to have the Marines invade a country, over throw the government and reinstitute slavery? I certainly was never taught about it.

That historical event definitely was never taught in my high school history classes.

Nor did we learn about suppression of Native Americans.

Or things like redlining. Or how Black soldiers were denied the benefits of the GI Bill.

We were not taught that such systemic / institutional discrimination meant that generations of Black families were left behind in wealth accrual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the current trend was to abolish all AP courses in public schools as such courses discriminate against URM?

Yup.

Except this course was developed to promote racism and hate and "progressive" politics so it was an exception to the rule.

How? By teaching about African history— in African and the diaspora? By teaching about black artists, scientists, musicians? By reading Toni Morrison? Even discussing the concept of reparations has merit if your goal is to create a critical thinker who can explain the pros and cons.

The Tulsa Race Massacre, the Tuskegee experiments , the Tuskegee airmen, the Harlem Renaissance, the fact that some slave owners were Black, the history of Africa and Africans selling their own people into slavery— these are some of the topics covered. I didn’t learn about any of these in school. Did you?

One of the most popular courses at my university was African American history 1 and 2.

The class was popular student body wide. It was a really hard class in the sense that the subject matter was heavy and not easy to hear, read and absorb. The class was galvanizing, it made me think and feel. It made me angry, mournful, empathetic and in the end proud of the resilience of those who came before. That class that forever changed the way I looked at my country and my fellow country men. It was a powerful experience. It is American history and a very significant part of it that more people should be exposed to.

I was taught that the value in education was not in the monetary worth of it but that it is the only thing that once obtained can’t be taken away from you, you can take a persons livelihood, their freedom, their family and their health but you can’t take away an education. Their is nothing else you can obtain in this life that has that power.

This is the fear of these crazy anti education republicans. An educated electorate is a danger to their hate fueled existence. Not for the reasons that they are willing to speak of, not the anti white nonsense they spout off about but for the part they don’t speak of, that is that if this country actually dealt openly with its past then they’d lose one of their best bogeyman wedge issues. DeSantis is disgusting.

Then there are those of us in the middle who would like to see a bit more moderation in these important, tough classes. Did you read this entire thread? There was a comment from a self-identified Black poster about some potential problems with the course. Are those problems present in this course? I don't know, and neither does anyone else who is willing to say.