Shen Yun warning

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

Why do you think the Kennedy Center needs to hide the religious background to get people to watch this show? You don't think they'd go if they had all of the facts?

Why do you think think the KC is “hiding” anything? I found the description to be accurate. You sound like a right wing conservative complaining that some media outlet isn’t covering some story they think is important.

They are hiding the religious aspects of the performance:
"Shen Yun’s unique artistic vision expands theatrical experience into a multi-dimensional, inspiring journey through one of humanity’s greatest treasures—the five millennia of traditional Chinese culture.

This epic production immerses you in stories reaching back to the most distant past. You’ll explore realms even beyond our visible world. Featuring one of the world’s oldest art forms— classical Chinese dance—along with patented scenographic effects and all-original orchestral works, Shen Yun opens a portal to a civilization of enchanting beauty and enlightening wisdom.

Traditional Chinese culture—with its profoundly optimistic worldview and deep spiritual roots— was displaced by communism in China. Today, only the New York–based Shen Yun is keeping this precious heritage alive on stage. And it’s an experience that will take your breath away."

Why are you afraid of the KC being transparent?

How much of the program was dedicated to religious propaganda and how much was dedicated to Chinese classical dance? Because if most of it was dance with a religious voice-over, I don't see this description as inaccurate. And honestly, that description (advertising "a portal to ... enlightening wisdom") doesn't seem super atheist to me. If the KC is required to put every reference to every possible point that might be offensive or triggering to some in their ads, they'd run out of space.

[Anonymous]

Thank you OP for starting this thread. I had no idea. I was meaning to buy tickets but now I am definitely not!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

Why do you think the Kennedy Center needs to hide the religious background to get people to watch this show? You don't think they'd go if they had all of the facts?

Why do you think think the KC is “hiding” anything? I found the description to be accurate. You sound like a right wing conservative complaining that some media outlet isn’t covering some story they think is important.

They are hiding the religious aspects of the performance:
"Shen Yun’s unique artistic vision expands theatrical experience into a multi-dimensional, inspiring journey through one of humanity’s greatest treasures—the five millennia of traditional Chinese culture.

This epic production immerses you in stories reaching back to the most distant past. You’ll explore realms even beyond our visible world. Featuring one of the world’s oldest art forms— classical Chinese dance—along with patented scenographic effects and all-original orchestral works, Shen Yun opens a portal to a civilization of enchanting beauty and enlightening wisdom.

Traditional Chinese culture—with its profoundly optimistic worldview and deep spiritual roots— was displaced by communism in China. Today, only the New York–based Shen Yun is keeping this precious heritage alive on stage. And it’s an experience that will take your breath away."

Why are you afraid of the KC being transparent?

That sounds like an accurate description to me.

The Kennedy Center hosts cultural performances by American Indian tribes too. Many are spiritual in nature. Will you also demand trigger warnings?

Why are atheists such fragile little snowflakes who lack conviction in their value systems?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

OMG, what made you reach that conclusion? what did I say that made it clear to you that I am pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

Shen Yun is advertised as a representation of thousands of years of Chinese culture, not fundamentalist religious propaganda. I have no interest in supporting a fundamentalist religious organization. I didn't use the name "cult" because I noticed how easy you get triggered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

Why do you think the Kennedy Center needs to hide the religious background to get people to watch this show? You don't think they'd go if they had all of the facts?

Why do you think think the KC is “hiding” anything? I found the description to be accurate. You sound like a right wing conservative complaining that some media outlet isn’t covering some story they think is important.

They are hiding the religious aspects of the performance:
"Shen Yun’s unique artistic vision expands theatrical experience into a multi-dimensional, inspiring journey through one of humanity’s greatest treasures—the five millennia of traditional Chinese culture.

This epic production immerses you in stories reaching back to the most distant past. You’ll explore realms even beyond our visible world. Featuring one of the world’s oldest art forms— classical Chinese dance—along with patented scenographic effects and all-original orchestral works, Shen Yun opens a portal to a civilization of enchanting beauty and enlightening wisdom.

Traditional Chinese culture—with its profoundly optimistic worldview and deep spiritual roots— was displaced by communism in China. Today, only the New York–based Shen Yun is keeping this precious heritage alive on stage. And it’s an experience that will take your breath away."

Why are you afraid of the KC being transparent?

How much of the program was dedicated to religious propaganda and how much was dedicated to Chinese classical dance? Because if most of it was dance with a religious voice-over, I don't see this description as inaccurate. And honestly, that description (advertising "a portal to ... enlightening wisdom") doesn't seem super atheist to me. If the KC is required to put every reference to every possible point that might be offensive or triggering to some in their ads, they'd run out of space.

Would you call the anti-evolution stand as a portal to enlightening wisdom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've seen the adds for years and I finally googled the name. Everything I read was positive and I decided to give it a shot. What can go wrong in a show presented in a prestigious cultural venue like Kennedy Center? Big mistake. Relatively early in the show you learn that "Between atheism and evolution, Satan lurks." Close to the end, they make sure to send the message again: "Atheism and evolution are the Devil's deceit." As atheist and scientist, I was shocked that I ended up supporting a fundamentalist religious group, while the show is advertised as a Chinese cultural experience. I am not sure what options I have at this point, but I don't want to just let it go.

Frankly, I’d be more concerned about what the Chinese Communist Government is doing to these peaceful people. Why aren’t you?

[Anonymous]

I fell into this trap a few years ago. i ended up writing a letter of complaint to them and they refunded the money. I called it sponsoring propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

Why do you think the Kennedy Center needs to hide the religious background to get people to watch this show? You don't think they'd go if they had all of the facts?

Why do you think think the KC is “hiding” anything? I found the description to be accurate. You sound like a right wing conservative complaining that some media outlet isn’t covering some story they think is important.

They are hiding the religious aspects of the performance:
"Shen Yun’s unique artistic vision expands theatrical experience into a multi-dimensional, inspiring journey through one of humanity’s greatest treasures—the five millennia of traditional Chinese culture.

This epic production immerses you in stories reaching back to the most distant past. You’ll explore realms even beyond our visible world. Featuring one of the world’s oldest art forms— classical Chinese dance—along with patented scenographic effects and all-original orchestral works, Shen Yun opens a portal to a civilization of enchanting beauty and enlightening wisdom.

Traditional Chinese culture—with its profoundly optimistic worldview and deep spiritual roots— was displaced by communism in China. Today, only the New York–based Shen Yun is keeping this precious heritage alive on stage. And it’s an experience that will take your breath away."

Why are you afraid of the KC being transparent?

That sounds like an accurate description to me.

The Kennedy Center hosts cultural performances by American Indian tribes too. Many are spiritual in nature. Will you also demand trigger warnings?

Why are atheists such fragile little snowflakes who lack conviction in their value systems?

Why are you opposed to accurate descriptions of performances?

I have limited time for performances. I don’t want to waste hours of my life (or a single cent) on crap like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

Why do you think the Kennedy Center needs to hide the religious background to get people to watch this show? You don't think they'd go if they had all of the facts?

Why do you think think the KC is “hiding” anything? I found the description to be accurate. You sound like a right wing conservative complaining that some media outlet isn’t covering some story they think is important.

They are hiding the religious aspects of the performance:
"Shen Yun’s unique artistic vision expands theatrical experience into a multi-dimensional, inspiring journey through one of humanity’s greatest treasures—the five millennia of traditional Chinese culture.

This epic production immerses you in stories reaching back to the most distant past. You’ll explore realms even beyond our visible world. Featuring one of the world’s oldest art forms— classical Chinese dance—along with patented scenographic effects and all-original orchestral works, Shen Yun opens a portal to a civilization of enchanting beauty and enlightening wisdom.

Traditional Chinese culture—with its profoundly optimistic worldview and deep spiritual roots— was displaced by communism in China. Today, only the New York–based Shen Yun is keeping this precious heritage alive on stage. And it’s an experience that will take your breath away."

Why are you afraid of the KC being transparent?

How much of the program was dedicated to religious propaganda and how much was dedicated to Chinese classical dance? Because if most of it was dance with a religious voice-over, I don't see this description as inaccurate. And honestly, that description (advertising "a portal to ... enlightening wisdom") doesn't seem super atheist to me. If the KC is required to put every reference to every possible point that might be offensive or triggering to some in their ads, they'd run out of space.

Would you call the anti-evolution stand as a portal to enlightening wisdom?

Or supporting Trump?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I fell into this trap a few years ago. i ended up writing a letter of complaint to them and they refunded the money. I called it sponsoring propaganda.

Which show was that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

Why do you think the Kennedy Center needs to hide the religious background to get people to watch this show? You don't think they'd go if they had all of the facts?

Why do you think think the KC is “hiding” anything? I found the description to be accurate. You sound like a right wing conservative complaining that some media outlet isn’t covering some story they think is important.

They are hiding the religious aspects of the performance:
"Shen Yun’s unique artistic vision expands theatrical experience into a multi-dimensional, inspiring journey through one of humanity’s greatest treasures—the five millennia of traditional Chinese culture.

This epic production immerses you in stories reaching back to the most distant past. You’ll explore realms even beyond our visible world. Featuring one of the world’s oldest art forms— classical Chinese dance—along with patented scenographic effects and all-original orchestral works, Shen Yun opens a portal to a civilization of enchanting beauty and enlightening wisdom.

Traditional Chinese culture—with its profoundly optimistic worldview and deep spiritual roots— was displaced by communism in China. Today, only the New York–based Shen Yun is keeping this precious heritage alive on stage. And it’s an experience that will take your breath away."

Why are you afraid of the KC being transparent?

How much of the program was dedicated to religious propaganda and how much was dedicated to Chinese classical dance? Because if most of it was dance with a religious voice-over, I don't see this description as inaccurate. And honestly, that description (advertising "a portal to ... enlightening wisdom") doesn't seem super atheist to me. If the KC is required to put every reference to every possible point that might be offensive or triggering to some in their ads, they'd run out of space.

You still haven’t answered. Why are you afraid of the KC being transparent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen the adds for years and I finally googled the name. Everything I read was positive and I decided to give it a shot. What can go wrong in a show presented in a prestigious cultural venue like Kennedy Center? Big mistake. Relatively early in the show you learn that "Between atheism and evolution, Satan lurks." Close to the end, they make sure to send the message again: "Atheism and evolution are the Devil's deceit." As atheist and scientist, I was shocked that I ended up supporting a fundamentalist religious group, while the show is advertised as a Chinese cultural experience. I am not sure what options I have at this point, but I don't want to just let it go.

Frankly, I’d be more concerned about what the Chinese Communist Government is doing to these peaceful people. Why aren’t you?

I can be concerned about how the Chinese government treats these people and - at the same time - be upset about the way they misrepresented their show to get my money. If I support a cause, I want to be fully aware of what they use my money for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically, OP feels deceived and wronged. There is nothing anybody can say to take away OP’s outrage. For OP’s mental health, I would suggest that OP reach out to the KC- explain to it how dishonest it is not to have a disclaimer as to fundamental religious views, racism, harassment and abuse, and any and all other themes that can be triggering or cause offense in any of their shows.

I have a better idea. I can raise awareness on public forums and on social media. Next time when I see Shen Yun in town, I will come back and post a warning about the scam they are running. Those who are comfortable supporting a fundamentalist religious organization can still go and see their show. Those who are easily triggered by nothing burgers like science denialism will be aware what they are getting into.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean the Shen Yun DC web site clearly describes itself as “China before communism” and as a “Heavenly gift” and that ancient China was “divinely inspired” and has a “rich spiritual heritage.”

“Cult” is OP’s characterization. But OP is pretty clearly a racist and hate-filled anti-theist.

BTW, religion and culture go hand-in-glove.

Not sure why you think it’s necessary for the KC to label it a “cult” when its religious themes are transparently emphasized on the organization’s web site.

Why do you think the Kennedy Center needs to hide the religious background to get people to watch this show? You don't think they'd go if they had all of the facts?

Why do you think think the KC is “hiding” anything? I found the description to be accurate. You sound like a right wing conservative complaining that some media outlet isn’t covering some story they think is important.

They are hiding the religious aspects of the performance:
"Shen Yun’s unique artistic vision expands theatrical experience into a multi-dimensional, inspiring journey through one of humanity’s greatest treasures—the five millennia of traditional Chinese culture.

This epic production immerses you in stories reaching back to the most distant past. You’ll explore realms even beyond our visible world. Featuring one of the world’s oldest art forms— classical Chinese dance—along with patented scenographic effects and all-original orchestral works, Shen Yun opens a portal to a civilization of enchanting beauty and enlightening wisdom.

Traditional Chinese culture—with its profoundly optimistic worldview and deep spiritual roots— was displaced by communism in China. Today, only the New York–based Shen Yun is keeping this precious heritage alive on stage. And it’s an experience that will take your breath away."

Why are you afraid of the KC being transparent?

That sounds like an accurate description to me.

The Kennedy Center hosts cultural performances by American Indian tribes too. Many are spiritual in nature. Will you also demand trigger warnings?

Why are atheists such fragile little snowflakes who lack conviction in their value systems?

I would not say that I lack conviction in my value system. My concern is that you religious people learned that it is ok to believe in something with no evidence whatsoever. That affects not only me, but the whole country (see how many Republicans believe that the election was stolen). So why would I support a fundamentalist religious group?