Lowell High School admissions will return to merit-based system after S.F. school board vote

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Anonymous wrote:Kids can find a large cohort of strong peers at the top schools like Langley, McLean, Chantilly and Oakton, but not at Lewis or Mount Vernon, so the types of kids who need a Governor’s School in each pyramid can vary. If you look at it that way, the fact that the top kids coming from the low-performing pyramids in general might be just average at a top school doesn’t matter; what matters is that they wouldn’t be challenged at Lewis or Mount Vernon.

How on earth would any regular smart kid not be challenged at Lewis or Mount Vernon? Every single FCPS high school either has a full IB program or a full load of AP classes. The overwhelming majority of kids can be challenged at any base school in FCPS. I know a few full IB diploma graduates of Annandale high school. They did not lack for a peer group or sufficient challenge.

How many National Merit Semifinalists from Annandale, Lewis, and Mount Vernon in recent years? Next to none, which underscores that the most talented kids from those pyramids may not be reaching their potential. Maybe they need TJ more than other kids who’d do just as well at Chantilly or Langley, which clearly have a very strong peer group.

There is no correlation between quality of instruction at the base school and NMS. The low SES schools aren’t failing to develop their kids potential. NMS is just a reflection that affluent kids can invest more resources in prepping for the pSAT

There certainly is a difference.

No there isn't. Are you implying that Langley is producing Merit finalists because Langley's AP math and AP English teachers are significantly better than Mt. Vernon's IB math and IB English teachers? That assumes that over the years, as teachers move and retire, Langley somehow manages to constantly have an objectively better set of teachers. It's clearly not because of teachers and instruction. It's the kids and their parents.

who would do exactly the same at any other school

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Anonymous wrote:Kids can find a large cohort of strong peers at the top schools like Langley, McLean, Chantilly and Oakton, but not at Lewis or Mount Vernon, so the types of kids who need a Governor’s School in each pyramid can vary. If you look at it that way, the fact that the top kids coming from the low-performing pyramids in general might be just average at a top school doesn’t matter; what matters is that they wouldn’t be challenged at Lewis or Mount Vernon.

How on earth would any regular smart kid not be challenged at Lewis or Mount Vernon? Every single FCPS high school either has a full IB program or a full load of AP classes. The overwhelming majority of kids can be challenged at any base school in FCPS. I know a few full IB diploma graduates of Annandale high school. They did not lack for a peer group or sufficient challenge.

How many National Merit Semifinalists from Annandale, Lewis, and Mount Vernon in recent years? Next to none, which underscores that the most talented kids from those pyramids may not be reaching their potential. Maybe they need TJ more than other kids who’d do just as well at Chantilly or Langley, which clearly have a very strong peer group.

There is no correlation between quality of instruction at the base school and NMS. The low SES schools aren’t failing to develop their kids potential. NMS is just a reflection that affluent kids can invest more resources in prepping for the pSAT

There certainly is a difference.

No there isn't. Are you implying that Langley is producing Merit finalists because Langley's AP math and AP English teachers are significantly better than Mt. Vernon's IB math and IB English teachers? That assumes that over the years, as teachers move and retire, Langley somehow manages to constantly have an objectively better set of teachers. It's clearly not because of teachers and instruction. It's the kids and their parents.

who would do exactly the same at any other school

The top kids get dragged down at MV so the quality of instruction is not the same or as good. Whether the quality of the instructors is as good is irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids can find a large cohort of strong peers at the top schools like Langley, McLean, Chantilly and Oakton, but not at Lewis or Mount Vernon, so the types of kids who need a Governor’s School in each pyramid can vary. If you look at it that way, the fact that the top kids coming from the low-performing pyramids in general might be just average at a top school doesn’t matter; what matters is that they wouldn’t be challenged at Lewis or Mount Vernon.

How on earth would any regular smart kid not be challenged at Lewis or Mount Vernon? Every single FCPS high school either has a full IB program or a full load of AP classes. The overwhelming majority of kids can be challenged at any base school in FCPS. I know a few full IB diploma graduates of Annandale high school. They did not lack for a peer group or sufficient challenge.

How many National Merit Semifinalists from Annandale, Lewis, and Mount Vernon in recent years? Next to none, which underscores that the most talented kids from those pyramids may not be reaching their potential. Maybe they need TJ more than other kids who’d do just as well at Chantilly or Langley, which clearly have a very strong peer group.

There is no correlation between quality of instruction at the base school and NMS. The low SES schools aren’t failing to develop their kids potential. NMS is just a reflection that affluent kids can invest more resources in prepping for the pSAT

There certainly is a difference.

No there isn't. Are you implying that Langley is producing Merit finalists because Langley's AP math and AP English teachers are significantly better than Mt. Vernon's IB math and IB English teachers? That assumes that over the years, as teachers move and retire, Langley somehow manages to constantly have an objectively better set of teachers. It's clearly not because of teachers and instruction. It's the kids and their parents.

who would do exactly the same at any other school

yep!

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Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

East Asians, yes. Not so much South Asians, at least the ones in Asia.

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Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

East Asians, yes. Not so much South Asians, at least the ones in Asia.

Do you have any actual empirical data for this claim? or are you just using some racialized heuristics based on your own preducides?

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Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

East Asians, yes. Not so much South Asians, at least the ones in Asia.

Do you have any actual empirical data for this claim? or are you just using some racialized heuristics based on your own preducides?

There are a number of IQ studies that have Pakistan and India below 90, while China, Japan, Korea are close to 110.

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Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

East Asians, yes. Not so much South Asians, at least the ones in Asia.

Do you have any actual empirical data for this claim? or are you just using some racialized heuristics based on your own preducides?

Any data could fit both of your "categories". And you'll ultimately claim that the IQ tests and/or the concept is racist anyway...

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The South Asians who immigrated here and populate NOVA are likely in the top quarter of the distribution curve in their countries of origin. That’s how many of them earned the right to immigrate here. Natural ability is more concentrated in that population.

Much higher than top quarter. The IQ levels in these countries is pretty low, though this may be based on rural populations.
It is quite possible that the grandkids and later generations of these immigrants will not be standing out so much.

Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

Asian here. Dumb idiots like you are just one reason why what you say is nonsense.

So many things are wrong with your assertion, there is little doubt you are an idiot.

1) No race has a monopoly on intelligence.

2) You cannot take Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country. This is such an elementary mistake I doubt you have basic understanding of math.

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The South Asians who immigrated here and populate NOVA are likely in the top quarter of the distribution curve in their countries of origin. That’s how many of them earned the right to immigrate here. Natural ability is more concentrated in that population.

Much higher than top quarter. The IQ levels in these countries is pretty low, though this may be based on rural populations.
It is quite possible that the grandkids and later generations of these immigrants will not be standing out so much.

Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

Asian here. Dumb idiots like you are just one reason why what you say is nonsense.

So many things are wrong with your assertion, there is little doubt you are an idiot.

1) No race has a monopoly on intelligence.

2) You cannot take Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country. This is such an elementary mistake I doubt you have basic understanding of math.

You are no Asian and here is why:

So many things are wrong with your statements, there is little doubt you are not a contemplative person.

1) The pp does not say any one race has a monopoly on intelligence - it states a fact that average IQ score is the highest for Asians;

2) The pp did not compare Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. You made this up.

3) Your assertion : "Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country - No Asian would ever say this. Top 1-5% does not need come to US period. Never was the case and it still is the case.

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Anonymous wrote:
The South Asians who immigrated here and populate NOVA are likely in the top quarter of the distribution curve in their countries of origin. That’s how many of them earned the right to immigrate here. Natural ability is more concentrated in that population.

Much higher than top quarter. The IQ levels in these countries is pretty low, though this may be based on rural populations.
It is quite possible that the grandkids and later generations of these immigrants will not be standing out so much.

Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

Asian here. Dumb idiots like you are just one reason why what you say is nonsense.

So many things are wrong with your assertion, there is little doubt you are an idiot.

1) No race has a monopoly on intelligence.

2) You cannot take Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country. This is such an elementary mistake I doubt you have basic understanding of math.

Appreciate the thoughtful response!

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Anonymous wrote:
The South Asians who immigrated here and populate NOVA are likely in the top quarter of the distribution curve in their countries of origin. That’s how many of them earned the right to immigrate here. Natural ability is more concentrated in that population.

Much higher than top quarter. The IQ levels in these countries is pretty low, though this may be based on rural populations.
It is quite possible that the grandkids and later generations of these immigrants will not be standing out so much.

Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

Asian here. Dumb idiots like you are just one reason why what you say is nonsense.

So many things are wrong with your assertion, there is little doubt you are an idiot.

1) No race has a monopoly on intelligence.

2) You cannot take Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country. This is such an elementary mistake I doubt you have basic understanding of math.

You are no Asian and here is why:

So many things are wrong with your statements, there is little doubt you are not a contemplative person.

1) The pp does not say any one race has a monopoly on intelligence - it states a fact that average IQ score is the highest for Asians;

2) The pp did not compare Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. You made this up.

3) Your assertion : "Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country - No Asian would ever say this. Top 1-5% does not need come to US period. Never was the case and it still is the case.

Ok Idiot. Your reading comprehension also needs some work!

The bottom 1% of the Asians - you know the ones with masters degrees and doctors, they are the ones that come here. My bad!

[Anonymous]

Bavarsa na kodaka. Asian enough for you! Google translate cannot figure this out though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The South Asians who immigrated here and populate NOVA are likely in the top quarter of the distribution curve in their countries of origin. That’s how many of them earned the right to immigrate here. Natural ability is more concentrated in that population.

Much higher than top quarter. The IQ levels in these countries is pretty low, though this may be based on rural populations.
It is quite possible that the grandkids and later generations of these immigrants will not be standing out so much.

Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

Asian here. Dumb idiots like you are just one reason why what you say is nonsense.

So many things are wrong with your assertion, there is little doubt you are an idiot.

1) No race has a monopoly on intelligence.

2) You cannot take Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country. This is such an elementary mistake I doubt you have basic understanding of math.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18656315/

#followthescience

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The South Asians who immigrated here and populate NOVA are likely in the top quarter of the distribution curve in their countries of origin. That’s how many of them earned the right to immigrate here. Natural ability is more concentrated in that population.

Much higher than top quarter. The IQ levels in these countries is pretty low, though this may be based on rural populations.
It is quite possible that the grandkids and later generations of these immigrants will not be standing out so much.

Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

Asian here. Dumb idiots like you are just one reason why what you say is nonsense.

So many things are wrong with your assertion, there is little doubt you are an idiot.

1) No race has a monopoly on intelligence.

2) You cannot take Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country. This is such an elementary mistake I doubt you have basic understanding of math.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18656315/

#followthescience

His findings are fringe and ruined his reputation. Nobody with any credibility takes this seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The South Asians who immigrated here and populate NOVA are likely in the top quarter of the distribution curve in their countries of origin. That’s how many of them earned the right to immigrate here. Natural ability is more concentrated in that population.

Much higher than top quarter. The IQ levels in these countries is pretty low, though this may be based on rural populations.
It is quite possible that the grandkids and later generations of these immigrants will not be standing out so much.

Stop quivering. Asians have the highest average IQ - no need to try to splain it away.

Asian here. Dumb idiots like you are just one reason why what you say is nonsense.

So many things are wrong with your assertion, there is little doubt you are an idiot.

1) No race has a monopoly on intelligence.

2) You cannot take Asians who have immigrated here and compare them to the whole of the population. Asians who came here represent the higher income, higher educated subset of Asians - probably the top 1-5% of their country. This is such an elementary mistake I doubt you have basic understanding of math.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18656315/

#followthescience

His findings are fringe and ruined his reputation. Nobody with any credibility takes this seriously.

Yep

In “American Masters: Decoding Watson,” a PBS documentary released Jan. 2, he revealed that his scientifically unsupported views on race and genetics have not changed “at all” since 2007 — leading the laboratory where he spent the bulk of his career to revoke his honorary titles.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/14/father-dna-says-he-still-believes-link-between-race-intelligence-his-lab-just-stripped-him-his-titles/