School hesitancy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of these kids never wanted to be in school in the first place. They started school behind, whether because of language or circumstances, and find it frustrating and humiliating. Of course they are going to prefer not to go.

Unbelievable.

Ok, I see that I offended you. Well, I live in an area where the white students are generally well off and have highly educated parents, and the minority students are generally low-income and many are in ESOL. School is absolutely a frustrating and humiliating place for them when they arrive to kindergarten unable to read or fluently speak English, and their white classmates are reading chapter books and talking about their weekend trips to the beach and to ski. We are told to teach them all at their own levels so we differentiate all day, but I have no doubt that it has felt more comfortable to do school at home.

The school system failed these ESOL kids early on by not doing more push to get them speaking English, reading, writing and other skills like math caught up. And, people also fail to see that these are the same families who have been hit hard by covid. Many don't want to come back yet as they fear covid. They don't have adequate health care, they cannot afford sick days, etc. If they miss a few days of work, they lose their jobs. DL is more stable.

[Anonymous]

Remember: expressing concern for disadvantaged kids’ education means you don’t care about disadvantaged kids’ education.

Also not expressing concern for disadvantaged kids’ education means you don’t care about disadvantaged kids’ education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For a few years now we’ve been talking about children who have extensive absences from school. This has come up with regard to DCPS passing and graduation rates, but the circumstances apply to many school districts. The kids who are no-showing for distance learning are, by and large, the same children who had 20-30 absences during in-person learning. It’s not distance learning that’s causing this. Rather, these families face issues like trauma, poor parental supervision, teens needing to work to supplement income, etc.

I know many are searching for reasons to blame school systems and teachers for the challenges of distance learning. But this is not unique to online school at all.

it’s obviously made much, much worse by school closures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a really good article in the NYT about "school hesitancy" and how it disproportionately impacts the most vulnerable students:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/us/covid-school-reopening-virtual-learning.html

I see this locally too, where the most vulnerable populations are far more likely to have disappeared in DL and are far less likely to go back. I think there is a generation of kids who are severely at risk for permanent educational loss. I think ongoing DL risks severe educational damage to the most vulnerable students.

Its an article skewed to make people like you believe its damaging. I don't see any damage done to my children and I fully support staying DL at least till covid is under control better. We have no seen educational loss and our children have picked up other good skills they need in life. If you want your kids to go back and you don't mind putting them at risk, good for you but mine are not rushing back as Covid is real and serious.

incredibly selfish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a few years now we’ve been talking about children who have extensive absences from school. This has come up with regard to DCPS passing and graduation rates, but the circumstances apply to many school districts. The kids who are no-showing for distance learning are, by and large, the same children who had 20-30 absences during in-person learning. It’s not distance learning that’s causing this. Rather, these families face issues like trauma, poor parental supervision, teens needing to work to supplement income, etc.

I know many are searching for reasons to blame school systems and teachers for the challenges of distance learning. But this is not unique to online school at all.

This, it was the same situation before. The other big difference is parents could more easily check out and didm't really know what was going on as they let the schools handle it. With kids at home, you can see it more. This really has nothing to do with DL.

Did you even read the article? The educators quoted state that this is DL and they want kids back because they are worried about the loss of education due to DL. In other words, it's worse than pre-covid.

I don't understand this compulsion to deny the deleterious impact of DL on vulnerable student populations. It is documented at this point. This is not debatable.

Stop using your fluff news to push your agenda of forcing kids back into the schools in person because you want your kids out of the home. Many of these kids had academic and school issues prior to covid where the school system and parents just ignored the problem. Sending them back in person isn't going to fix it. It will take that much more.

Many of the so called vulnerable choose to stay home as they are more vulnerable to covid and understand the real impact. You may be a covid denier but for many of us who take it seriously, we will make DL work.

You never cared about these kids before so why pretend to care about them now?

And you don’t care about them either. It’s going to be a while before the liberal cities and teachers unions accept their utter moral banruptcy during covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember: expressing concern for disadvantaged kids’ education means you don’t care about disadvantaged kids’ education.

Also not expressing concern for disadvantaged kids’ education means you don’t care about disadvantaged kids’ education.

the only way to help disadvantaged kids is to keep them out of school and not measure their learning loss. they’re gaining resiliency!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember: expressing concern for disadvantaged kids’ education means you don’t care about disadvantaged kids’ education.

Also not expressing concern for disadvantaged kids’ education means you don’t care about disadvantaged kids’ education.

the only way to help disadvantaged kids is to keep them out of school and not measure their learning loss. they’re gaining resiliency!!!

DL is not keeping them out of school. Welcome to 2021 where thankfully we have the option during a health pandemic. You may be a covid denier but many of these families have been hard hit by covid and don't think the risk vs. benefit is worth it. These kids were struggling long before covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a few years now we’ve been talking about children who have extensive absences from school. This has come up with regard to DCPS passing and graduation rates, but the circumstances apply to many school districts. The kids who are no-showing for distance learning are, by and large, the same children who had 20-30 absences during in-person learning. It’s not distance learning that’s causing this. Rather, these families face issues like trauma, poor parental supervision, teens needing to work to supplement income, etc.

I know many are searching for reasons to blame school systems and teachers for the challenges of distance learning. But this is not unique to online school at all.

This, it was the same situation before. The other big difference is parents could more easily check out and didm't really know what was going on as they let the schools handle it. With kids at home, you can see it more. This really has nothing to do with DL.

Did you even read the article? The educators quoted state that this is DL and they want kids back because they are worried about the loss of education due to DL. In other words, it's worse than pre-covid.

I don't understand this compulsion to deny the deleterious impact of DL on vulnerable student populations. It is documented at this point. This is not debatable.

Stop using your fluff news to push your agenda of forcing kids back into the schools in person because you want your kids out of the home. Many of these kids had academic and school issues prior to covid where the school system and parents just ignored the problem. Sending them back in person isn't going to fix it. It will take that much more.

Many of the so called vulnerable choose to stay home as they are more vulnerable to covid and understand the real impact. You may be a covid denier but for many of us who take it seriously, we will make DL work.

You never cared about these kids before so why pretend to care about them now?

And you don’t care about them either. It’s going to be a while before the liberal cities and teachers unions accept their utter moral banruptcy during covid.

I have spent many years helping kids and families which is how I know this isn't just a covid issue. Its also a parenting issue where parent sneed to step up and help their kids. I have spent all this year doing many things to help our low income school and families. What have you done beyond complain online. K-5, parents who speak english and are educated can easily work with their kids. Older kids who are failing were failing long before covid and both the school system and parents are to blame for not getting these kids the help they need.

[Anonymous]

OP here. I guess this thread is going as predicted, but I want to point out that the educators in the article (and studies supporting them) do not believe the virus is the primary concern for school hesitancy at this point, so PPs who say school hesitancy is because of the virus didn't read the article.

Also the educators interviewed by the NYT say this is worse -- that's why they want the kids back -- so the PPs who are shrugging their shoulders and saying these kids were already doomed so oh well (a) didn't read the article and (b) are pretty awful people.

Teachers as a group are overwhelmingly white women, and reading the comments in this thread, I wonder if these parents are keeping their kids home to protect them from the racism of their teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a few years now we’ve been talking about children who have extensive absences from school. This has come up with regard to DCPS passing and graduation rates, but the circumstances apply to many school districts. The kids who are no-showing for distance learning are, by and large, the same children who had 20-30 absences during in-person learning. It’s not distance learning that’s causing this. Rather, these families face issues like trauma, poor parental supervision, teens needing to work to supplement income, etc.

I know many are searching for reasons to blame school systems and teachers for the challenges of distance learning. But this is not unique to online school at all.

This, it was the same situation before. The other big difference is parents could more easily check out and didm't really know what was going on as they let the schools handle it. With kids at home, you can see it more. This really has nothing to do with DL.

Unless the parent has to go to work while the student does DL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I guess this thread is going as predicted, but I want to point out that the educators in the article (and studies supporting them) do not believe the virus is the primary concern for school hesitancy at this point, so PPs who say school hesitancy is because of the virus didn't read the article.

Also the educators interviewed by the NYT say this is worse -- that's why they want the kids back -- so the PPs who are shrugging their shoulders and saying these kids were already doomed so oh well (a) didn't read the article and (b) are pretty awful people.

Teachers as a group are overwhelmingly white women, and reading the comments in this thread, I wonder if these parents are keeping their kids home to protect them from the racism of their teachers.

Yes, for those who can. It’s illuminating to see these racist and classist beliefs on display throughout DL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a few years now we’ve been talking about children who have extensive absences from school. This has come up with regard to DCPS passing and graduation rates, but the circumstances apply to many school districts. The kids who are no-showing for distance learning are, by and large, the same children who had 20-30 absences during in-person learning. It’s not distance learning that’s causing this. Rather, these families face issues like trauma, poor parental supervision, teens needing to work to supplement income, etc.

I know many are searching for reasons to blame school systems and teachers for the challenges of distance learning. But this is not unique to online school at all.

This, it was the same situation before. The other big difference is parents could more easily check out and didm't really know what was going on as they let the schools handle it. With kids at home, you can see it more. This really has nothing to do with DL.

Did you even read the article? The educators quoted state that this is DL and they want kids back because they are worried about the loss of education due to DL. In other words, it's worse than pre-covid.

I don't understand this compulsion to deny the deleterious impact of DL on vulnerable student populations. It is documented at this point. This is not debatable.

Stop using your fluff news to push your agenda of forcing kids back into the schools in person because you want your kids out of the home. Many of these kids had academic and school issues prior to covid where the school system and parents just ignored the problem. Sending them back in person isn't going to fix it. It will take that much more.

Many of the so called vulnerable choose to stay home as they are more vulnerable to covid and understand the real impact. You may be a covid denier but for many of us who take it seriously, we will make DL work.

You never cared about these kids before so why pretend to care about them now?

+1. This article carefully avoids discussing the fact that most Asian parents are also choosing DL in large numbers. It’s not about parents not paying attention, it’s about parents not wanting to expose their kids and families to a potentially serious virus. I’ll grant that some of the students weren’t doing much in person before Covid, but it’s unlikely a 15 year old C/D student who reads at a 5th grade level is going to have a different trajectory if they’re required to attend school.

[Anonymous]

This quote really stuck out to me:

“ Professor Kogan’s research has found that parents are more likely to feel hesitant about in-person learning if their children’s schools were closed for a longer period, which was most likely to be the case in the liberal-leaning urban districts that serve large numbers of nonwhite students. The hesitancy was caused less by fear of the coronavirus than by messaging from school districts about whether in-person learning was safe and desirable, Professor Kogan found.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember: expressing concern for disadvantaged kids’ education means you don’t care about disadvantaged kids’ education.

Also not expressing concern for disadvantaged kids’ education means you don’t care about disadvantaged kids’ education.

the only way to help disadvantaged kids is to keep them out of school and not measure their learning loss. they’re gaining resiliency!!!

DL is not keeping them out of school. Welcome to 2021 where thankfully we have the option during a health pandemic. You may be a covid denier but many of these families have been hard hit by covid and don't think the risk vs. benefit is worth it. These kids were struggling long before covid.

Yes it is keeping them out of school, literally. And the fact that they were doing poorly is why school closures are so horrendously unfair. It’s absolutely mind boggling that in a year with racial disparities at the forefront of the public discourse that anyone can defend the school closures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a few years now we’ve been talking about children who have extensive absences from school. This has come up with regard to DCPS passing and graduation rates, but the circumstances apply to many school districts. The kids who are no-showing for distance learning are, by and large, the same children who had 20-30 absences during in-person learning. It’s not distance learning that’s causing this. Rather, these families face issues like trauma, poor parental supervision, teens needing to work to supplement income, etc.

I know many are searching for reasons to blame school systems and teachers for the challenges of distance learning. But this is not unique to online school at all.

This, it was the same situation before. The other big difference is parents could more easily check out and didm't really know what was going on as they let the schools handle it. With kids at home, you can see it more. This really has nothing to do with DL.

Did you even read the article? The educators quoted state that this is DL and they want kids back because they are worried about the loss of education due to DL. In other words, it's worse than pre-covid.

I don't understand this compulsion to deny the deleterious impact of DL on vulnerable student populations. It is documented at this point. This is not debatable.

Stop using your fluff news to push your agenda of forcing kids back into the schools in person because you want your kids out of the home. Many of these kids had academic and school issues prior to covid where the school system and parents just ignored the problem. Sending them back in person isn't going to fix it. It will take that much more.

Many of the so called vulnerable choose to stay home as they are more vulnerable to covid and understand the real impact. You may be a covid denier but for many of us who take it seriously, we will make DL work.

You never cared about these kids before so why pretend to care about them now?

+1. This article carefully avoids discussing the fact that most Asian parents are also choosing DL in large numbers. It’s not about parents not paying attention, it’s about parents not wanting to expose their kids and families to a potentially serious virus. I’ll grant that some of the students weren’t doing much in person before Covid, but it’s unlikely a 15 year old C/D student who reads at a 5th grade level is going to have a different trajectory if they’re required to attend school.

Are you under the impression that all Asian families are rich and educationally advanced? Because that’s not true. In cities like NYC Asians have very high poverty rates and are vulnerable populations, often undocumented. But yeah keep on using those cheap and uniformed stereotypes.