Got Soccer vs Youth Soccer Rankings

[Anonymous]

YSR is more realistic, however, it is bad for having different name variations of the same team listed in the same rankings. They also seem to carry over too much data/results from past years. Rosters and teams change from year-to-year, especially at the younger age groups (U11 to U14 range). For instance, a particular U12 team at a club may have a regional color designation in their name, but that team is considered the top team within age group at the club. But by the time those U12 players become U14, they are playing on teams with Academy, ECNL, Elite, Premier, etc. in their name, while the color designated team is still around but now the 5th or 6th team in the pecking order. YSR doesn't realize this team is not the same level, roster, etc. that is was a couple years prior.

[Anonymous]

No
One
Should
Care
About
These
BS
Rankings

It
Get
You
Nothing

It’s
For
Ego

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All youth rankings suck.

And

The only ones who haven’t figured it out yet are U9-U14 parents.

True thats because after U14 the people obsessed with rankings turn too where is my DC ranked as a player who cares about the team. Unless you have a mediocre player in ECNL. In that case you are banking on your teams success because there's nothing special about your DC.

Agree somewhat. For girls at least, after U15 it’s all about college looks *at the player* but those are easier to come by if the player is on a competitive team.

Rankings doesn’t make your team competitive.

No, but the team being competitive will make the ranking.

Not really. A team can play trash tournaments and trash teams and pile up the ranking points and then get smacked around when when real competition comes knocking. Happens all the time.

Rankings are lies and can be manipulated.

U9 parents believe in this trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No
One
Should
Care
About
These
BS
Rankings

It
Get
You
Nothing

It’s
For
Ego

That's
Your
Opinion!

It's actually serves a purpose, like, making sure tournaments are fair. If not for rankings, kids egos would get hurt on top of parents egos because they lose every game 10-0. Quit being so narrow minded. Rankings have been around since the beginning of sports. The essence of sports is to compete, win and be #1.

I do hope you are enjoying your kids participation award though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All youth rankings suck.

And

The only ones who haven’t figured it out yet are U9-U14 parents.

True thats because after U14 the people obsessed with rankings turn too where is my DC ranked as a player who cares about the team. Unless you have a mediocre player in ECNL. In that case you are banking on your teams success because there's nothing special about your DC.

Agree somewhat. For girls at least, after U15 it’s all about college looks *at the player* but those are easier to come by if the player is on a competitive team.

Rankings doesn’t make your team competitive.

No, but the team being competitive will make the ranking.

Not really. A team can play trash tournaments and trash teams and pile up the ranking points and then get smacked around when when real competition comes knocking. Happens all the time.

Rankings are lies and can be manipulated.

U9 parents believe in this trash.

No, again, that is your opinion. Have one kid out of school and another in U16 ECNL. I also volunteer as a tournament coordinator. You have absolutely no idea how these rankings you hate so much do for tournament brackets. Before YSR and back when GotSoccer had forums, there was a huge issue with figuring out tournaments. Then YSR came along and it made everything much much easier. A lot less arguments and drama.

I'll happily say that YSR certainly has created egos, no doubt about that, but at the same time it has set a precedence for setting the competition which heavily out weighs watching many, many, many teams get their doors blown off as well as save tears.

The only thing I don't understand is why GotSoccer has not revamped it's system. I'm guessing it's purely for a money grab.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No
One
Should
Care
About
These
BS
Rankings

It
Get
You
Nothing

It’s
For
Ego

That's
Your
Opinion!

It's actually serves a purpose, like, making sure tournaments are fair. If not for rankings, kids egos would get hurt on top of parents egos because they lose every game 10-0. Quit being so narrow minded. Rankings have been around since the beginning of sports. The essence of sports is to compete, win and be #1.

I do hope you are enjoying your kids participation award though.

Narrow minded? Okay...fine....YOU tell me what rankings are used to determine your favorite tournament. I will then pull up the rankings and ask you how it compares to what you actually know. Fair?

So now I ask you. Give me a age group and tournament. Let’s do some imaginary seeding so I can show you it’s BS.

Time to put up or

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All youth rankings suck.

And

The only ones who haven’t figured it out yet are U9-U14 parents.

True thats because after U14 the people obsessed with rankings turn too where is my DC ranked as a player who cares about the team. Unless you have a mediocre player in ECNL. In that case you are banking on your teams success because there's nothing special about your DC.

Agree somewhat. For girls at least, after U15 it’s all about college looks *at the player* but those are easier to come by if the player is on a competitive team.

Rankings doesn’t make your team competitive.

No, but the team being competitive will make the ranking.

Not really. A team can play trash tournaments and trash teams and pile up the ranking points and then get smacked around when when real competition comes knocking. Happens all the time.

Rankings are lies and can be manipulated.

U9 parents believe in this trash.

No, again, that is your opinion. Have one kid out of school and another in U16 ECNL. I also volunteer as a tournament coordinator. You have absolutely no idea how these rankings you hate so much do for tournament brackets. Before YSR and back when GotSoccer had forums, there was a huge issue with figuring out tournaments. Then YSR came along and it made everything much much easier. A lot less arguments and drama.

I'll happily say that YSR certainly has created egos, no doubt about that, but at the same time it has set a precedence for setting the competition which heavily out weighs watching many, many, many teams get their doors blown off as well as save tears.

The only thing I don't understand is why GotSoccer has not revamped it's system. I'm guessing it's purely for a money grab.

By the way, my kids participation trophy was a ride to a power 5. So save with the rah rah.

[Anonymous]

ELO has the best system

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:YSR is more realistic, however, it is bad for having different name variations of the same team listed in the same rankings. They also seem to carry over too much data/results from past years. Rosters and teams change from year-to-year, especially at the younger age groups (U11 to U14 range). For instance, a particular U12 team at a club may have a regional color designation in their name, but that team is considered the top team within age group at the club. But by the time those U12 players become U14, they are playing on teams with Academy, ECNL, Elite, Premier, etc. in their name, while the color designated team is still around but now the 5th or 6th team in the pecking order. YSR doesn't realize this team is not the same level, roster, etc. that is was a couple years prior.

Note that anyone can hit a button to merge the results for teams which have multiple names and/or switch results from one team to another. It doesn't always happen - but many such errors get fixed eventually either by the team manager or just a random parent or kid. Also - given the way the algorithm works - older data has much less impact on the ranking than recent games, especially if the team has made a significant improvement or decline where the ranking would adjust quite rapdily over a relatively small number of games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No
One
Should
Care
About
These
BS
Rankings

It
Get
You
Nothing

It’s
For
Ego

That's
Your
Opinion!

It's actually serves a purpose, like, making sure tournaments are fair. If not for rankings, kids egos would get hurt on top of parents egos because they lose every game 10-0. Quit being so narrow minded. Rankings have been around since the beginning of sports. The essence of sports is to compete, win and be #1.

I do hope you are enjoying your kids participation award though.

Narrow minded? Okay...fine....YOU tell me what rankings are used to determine your favorite tournament. I will then pull up the rankings and ask you how it compares to what you actually know. Fair?

So now I ask you. Give me a age group and tournament. Let’s do some imaginary seeding so I can show you it’s BS.

Time to put up or

Not the PP - but how can you show him it's BS? Let's take the Jefferson cup U16 tournament for example. What exactly are you going to show is BS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All youth rankings suck.

And

The only ones who haven’t figured it out yet are U9-U14 parents.

True thats because after U14 the people obsessed with rankings turn too where is my DC ranked as a player who cares about the team. Unless you have a mediocre player in ECNL. In that case you are banking on your teams success because there's nothing special about your DC.

Agree somewhat. For girls at least, after U15 it’s all about college looks *at the player* but those are easier to come by if the player is on a competitive team.

Rankings doesn’t make your team competitive.

No, but the team being competitive will make the ranking.

Not really. A team can play trash tournaments and trash teams and pile up the ranking points and then get smacked around when when real competition comes knocking. Happens all the time.

Rankings are lies and can be manipulated.

U9 parents believe in this trash.

That works for gotsoccer rankings. It won't work for youth soccer rankings. If you're ranked 6 goals higher than a weak team and only win by 4, your ranking will go down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All youth rankings suck.

And

The only ones who haven’t figured it out yet are U9-U14 parents.

True thats because after U14 the people obsessed with rankings turn too where is my DC ranked as a player who cares about the team. Unless you have a mediocre player in ECNL. In that case you are banking on your teams success because there's nothing special about your DC.

Agree somewhat. For girls at least, after U15 it’s all about college looks *at the player* but those are easier to come by if the player is on a competitive team.

Rankings doesn’t make your team competitive.

No, but the team being competitive will make the ranking.

Not really. A team can play trash tournaments and trash teams and pile up the ranking points and then get smacked around when when real competition comes knocking. Happens all the time.

Rankings are lies and can be manipulated.

U9 parents believe in this trash.

That works for gotsoccer rankings. It won't work for youth soccer rankings. If you're ranked 6 goals higher than a weak team and only win by 4, your ranking will go down.

Yeah....that makes perfect sense. You beat the brakes off them.....but not enough, so you drop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No
One
Should
Care
About
These
BS
Rankings

It
Get
You
Nothing

It’s
For
Ego

That's
Your
Opinion!

It's actually serves a purpose, like, making sure tournaments are fair. If not for rankings, kids egos would get hurt on top of parents egos because they lose every game 10-0. Quit being so narrow minded. Rankings have been around since the beginning of sports. The essence of sports is to compete, win and be #1.

I do hope you are enjoying your kids participation award though.

Narrow minded? Okay...fine....YOU tell me what rankings are used to determine your favorite tournament. I will then pull up the rankings and ask you how it compares to what you actually know. Fair?

So now I ask you. Give me a age group and tournament. Let’s do some imaginary seeding so I can show you it’s BS.

Time to put up or

Not the PP - but how can you show him it's BS? Let's take the Jefferson cup U16 tournament for example. What exactly are you going to show is BS?

I can’t speak on U16. I don’t know enough about it. Everything is age specific. However, I can tell you with my kids teams, from U9 and up, until this day, they were and are wrong. Gotsoccer being the worst.

You seem to know the U16 age group. Let’s discuss. Was it properly seeded? Did the teams live up to their rankings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All youth rankings suck.

And

The only ones who haven’t figured it out yet are U9-U14 parents.

True thats because after U14 the people obsessed with rankings turn too where is my DC ranked as a player who cares about the team. Unless you have a mediocre player in ECNL. In that case you are banking on your teams success because there's nothing special about your DC.

Agree somewhat. For girls at least, after U15 it’s all about college looks *at the player* but those are easier to come by if the player is on a competitive team.

Rankings doesn’t make your team competitive.

No, but the team being competitive will make the ranking.

Not really. A team can play trash tournaments and trash teams and pile up the ranking points and then get smacked around when when real competition comes knocking. Happens all the time.

Rankings are lies and can be manipulated.

U9 parents believe in this trash.

That works for gotsoccer rankings. It won't work for youth soccer rankings. If you're ranked 6 goals higher than a weak team and only win by 4, your ranking will go down.

No I have seen teams lose to teams 4 to 5 points below them and only lose a few decimal points. It depends on your club, the league the team plays in and 1st team or 2nd team.

[Anonymous]

No rating/ranking system is perfect. The only one that comes close is what Las Vegas uses. LOL