Christian nationalism is driving away christians?

[Anonymous]

Anyone remember the Crusades?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Christian Zionism is the far worse problem. As in, scr8w what our politicians and foreign aid should instead be doing for the American nation and people--what has the American soldier and taxpayer done for israel lately?

Not one more dollar of tribute. Not one more American soldier fallen for a foreign flag.

Watch this comment disappear because too many sensitive souls can't handle the truth.

Well, the loudest Christian Zionists are ALSO evangelicals, and it's not because they love Jews. It's tied up in their weird End Times eschatology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian Zionism is the far worse problem. As in, scr8w what our politicians and foreign aid should instead be doing for the American nation and people--what has the American soldier and taxpayer done for israel lately?

Not one more dollar of tribute. Not one more American soldier fallen for a foreign flag.

Watch this comment disappear because too many sensitive souls can't handle the truth.

Well, the loudest Christian Zionists are ALSO evangelicals, and it's not because they love Jews. It's tied up in their weird End Times eschatology.

It's very scary for the Jews, yes.

I understand why Netanyahu embraced the US Christian right (short-term thinking to achieve his short-term Iran goals).

But it is a huge disaster for the US-Israel alliance and frankly for religious tolerance in the US. Separation of Church and State has never been so important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think general public perception of Christians has changed significantly last 4 years.

Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

I would just add the word "evangelical" i.e.,

Evangelical Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

Not all Christians are like that, but because the evangelicals make the most noise, they are giving all Christians a bad name.

We are very evangelical but not far right and are very much anti DT. So while you are right that it’s a subgroup of Christians, it’s also a subgroup of evangelicals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think general public perception of Christians has changed significantly last 4 years.

Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

I would just add the word "evangelical" i.e.,

Evangelical Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

Not all Christians are like that, but because the evangelicals make the most noise, they are giving all Christians a bad name.

We are very evangelical but not far right and are very much anti DT. So while you are right that it’s a subgroup of Christians, it’s also a subgroup of evangelicals.

I think you’re in the minority of evangelicals.

All the people I grew up around weren’t necessarily all in for trump, but they didn’t speak out against and are very anti-democrat/liberal. They use terms like “anti-God” which I find very concerning. There’s not much daylight between right wing politics and “Gods Word” in their eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think general public perception of Christians has changed significantly last 4 years.

Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

I would just add the word "evangelical" i.e.,

Evangelical Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

Not all Christians are like that, but because the evangelicals make the most noise, they are giving all Christians a bad name.

We are very evangelical but not far right and are very much anti DT. So while you are right that it’s a subgroup of Christians, it’s also a subgroup of evangelicals.

I think you’re in the minority of evangelicals.

All the people I grew up around weren’t necessarily all in for trump, but they didn’t speak out against and are very anti-democrat/liberal. They use terms like “anti-God” which I find very concerning. There’s not much daylight between right wing politics and “Gods Word” in their eyes.

That's what I've noticed as well, unfortunately. Somehow politics got all mixed up in a certain kind of religion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know anyone who left Christianity over white nationalism cloaked as Christianity. I do know some people who switched denominations over political leanings of their churches.

Then clearly you are not paying attention.

[Anonymous]

CPAC is happening soon.

All those "Christians" supporting hate.

How anyone can call themselves a "Christian" when they participate in CPAC main speakers Wayne Dupree denying Sandy Hook, who in the world denies children dying. How awful!

Or the lovely Young Pharoh who calls Jews.... They only canceled him because Hyatt pressured them.

Excuse me if I don't believe these people are "Christians" or any of the liars today in Congress Hawley and Ron Johnson are not Christians they are hate mongers.

[Anonymous]

No, but I am mainline, fairly liberal, Presbyterian.

We're the opposite of "hate filled whites" but they've done a better job of attracting racists or converting them to be evangelicals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think general public perception of Christians has changed significantly last 4 years.

Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

I would just add the word "evangelical" i.e.,

Evangelical Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

Not all Christians are like that, but because the evangelicals make the most noise, they are giving all Christians a bad name.

We are very evangelical but not far right and are very much anti DT. So while you are right that it’s a subgroup of Christians, it’s also a subgroup of evangelicals.

I agree with you completely!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone remember the Crusades?

You've obviously never read Fred Donner's Early Islamic Conquests. Princeton University Press, c 1982 if memory serves.

IN mid-7th Century, the Prophet, having relocated to Medina caught that Acela to Paradise in 632. For the balance of the 7th century, the Rashidun
Caliphs went a jihading in every direction.

Conquered the Near East and North Africa, which had been Christian for centuries previously. The First Crusade was in 1092... some 450 years of Islamic conquest and occupation AFTER the early Islamic conquests. If your academic experience of the Crusades was filtered through multi-cultural political correctness you've never heard this.

The Crusades were a penitential quest for European nobles many of whom were quite wealthy already, had all the land they needed, and frankly couldn't afford vassal states hundreds of miles from home even if that had been their intention. Which is was not. It went off the rails in some places, some atrocities were committed. Which was NOT the point of the endeavor.

The First Crusade was a brief, local success in places before it became a disaster. The other crusades were total disasters for Christendom. Various local Muslim rulers easily handed them their heads. figuratively speaking and sometimes literally.

Crusades, Crusades...European people Bad ... wah wah wah. Yeah, you can believe that. If you ignore all the contrary history you've never heard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My parents, who are lifelong Republicans and genuinely try to be Christlike people, are increasingly aghast by what some of their friends believe. It’s really wild. So much of what is being espoused by evangelicals right now does not even begin to pass the “what would Jesus do?” test.

Former Catholic here.

This is how I feel watching Catholic family and friends. Their views and statements on a variety of issues are so out of line with what I was taught (K-12 Catholic school, Catholic immigrant families, took part in all sacraments . . . I was raised in a hard core Catholic environment). I find it repulsive and confusing. And I cannot talk about it with them. Though THEY (not I) have raised issues with me, those attempts have gone badly. If you even delicately point out why their position seems at odds with WWJD, they lash out (also un-Jesus-like).

Unfortunately, it has colored my views of them. It's hard to see people preaching Bible verses, Lenten sacrifices, and other on-the-surface Catholicism do a 180 when out of the church parking lot: name-calling and hostility, promoting policies that do not help the poor or needy, the victim complex, the willingness to deny other people rights b/c of the their "rights", among other things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My parents, who are lifelong Republicans and genuinely try to be Christlike people, are increasingly aghast by what some of their friends believe. It’s really wild. So much of what is being espoused by evangelicals right now does not even begin to pass the “what would Jesus do?” test.

Former Catholic here.

This is how I feel watching Catholic family and friends. Their views and statements on a variety of issues are so out of line with what I was taught (K-12 Catholic school, Catholic immigrant families, took part in all sacraments . . . I was raised in a hard core Catholic environment). I find it repulsive and confusing. And I cannot talk about it with them. Though THEY (not I) have raised issues with me, those attempts have gone badly. If you even delicately point out why their position seems at odds with WWJD, they lash out (also un-Jesus-like).

Unfortunately, it has colored my views of them. It's hard to see people preaching Bible verses, Lenten sacrifices, and other on-the-surface Catholicism do a 180 when out of the church parking lot: name-calling and hostility, promoting policies that do not help the poor or needy, the victim complex, the willingness to deny other people rights b/c of the their "rights", among other things.

Has it colored your views of Catholicism? After all, it, like other religions, expects followers to believe all sort of things that don't ordinarily happen, like virgin birth, resurrection, ascension into heaven and life after death for those who believe such things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think general public perception of Christians has changed significantly last 4 years.

Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

I would just add the word "evangelical" i.e.,

Evangelical Christians = far right republicans = crazy DT supporters = hate filled whites

Not all Christians are like that, but because the evangelicals make the most noise, they are giving all Christians a bad name.

There are a solid number of Catholics as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone remember the Crusades?

You've obviously never read Fred Donner's Early Islamic Conquests. Princeton University Press, c 1982 if memory serves.

IN mid-7th Century, the Prophet, having relocated to Medina caught that Acela to Paradise in 632. For the balance of the 7th century, the Rashidun
Caliphs went a jihading in every direction.

Conquered the Near East and North Africa, which had been Christian for centuries previously. The First Crusade was in 1092... some 450 years of Islamic conquest and occupation AFTER the early Islamic conquests. If your academic experience of the Crusades was filtered through multi-cultural political correctness you've never heard this.

The Crusades were a penitential quest for European nobles many of whom were quite wealthy already, had all the land they needed, and frankly couldn't afford vassal states hundreds of miles from home even if that had been their intention. Which is was not. It went off the rails in some places, some atrocities were committed. Which was NOT the point of the endeavor.

The First Crusade was a brief, local success in places before it became a disaster. The other crusades were total disasters for Christendom. Various local Muslim rulers easily handed them their heads. figuratively speaking and sometimes literally.

Crusades, Crusades...European people Bad ... wah wah wah. Yeah, you can believe that. If you ignore all the contrary history you've never heard.

So all religious extremists are shitty. Got it.