Negotiating part time work

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Anonymous wrote:The only times I've ever seen it work are with two women who propose a job share.

This. Otherwise where do you think the rest if your work will go?

To another company.

Where would it go if she got hit by a bus tomorrow? I am sure there would be some way that it would get done or clients would deal with not having it done.

They would hire a replacement. Just like if she quit. The work would get done.

Yes, if they are down 100% they’ll hire a replacement. But they aren’t just going to say - sure, OP, you can do 50% of your work and the other 50% just won’t get done 🤷🏻‍♀️

It would get done somewhere else right? I don't know what she does, but she is talking about dropping 1/2 of her clients. If she is a therapist, then 50% of her clients would just go to another agency. If she is a pediatrician, then 50% of her patients would go to another pediatrician's office. If she is an attorney, then 50% of her clients would find another law firm to work with. It's a big city. I'm sure that the work will still get done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only times I've ever seen it work are with two women who propose a job share.

This. Otherwise where do you think the rest if your work will go?

To another company.

Where would it go if she got hit by a bus tomorrow? I am sure there would be some way that it would get done or clients would deal with not having it done.

They would hire a replacement. Just like if she quit. The work would get done.

Yes, if they are down 100% they’ll hire a replacement. But they aren’t just going to say - sure, OP, you can do 50% of your work and the other 50% just won’t get done 🤷🏻‍♀️

It would get done somewhere else right? I don't know what she does, but she is talking about dropping 1/2 of her clients. If she is a therapist, then 50% of her clients would just go to another agency. If she is a pediatrician, then 50% of her patients would go to another pediatrician's office. If she is an attorney, then 50% of her clients would find another law firm to work with. It's a big city. I'm sure that the work will still get done.

Oh wow. Where do you work? You clearly don’t understand the business world. No company is going to voluntarily lose revenue to allow OP to work less. It’s easier to replace her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I did this. Requested parttime. What I really got was the ability to do my full time job with part time hours. So, for my company, it was a bonus for them that they got the same amount of work from me, while paying me less. I was so desparate to be home with my baby, I took it. And it worked, for a while.

So it sounds like your original workload wasn’t enough to fill 40 hours? My issue is that my current workload is already more than can be completed in 40 hours. There’s no way I could complete the same amount of work part time.

Oh honey.
Most times (women especially) Will get the part time hours but the workload at work will be the same. Most times it is a FULL 40 hours worth of work but bonus is now they pay you less to do it. This has happened to so many of my friends it is almost unreal. Yeah, they technically work part time but often it is well over 20 adn closer to 30 but really should be spread out to 40. Or they are always contacted during hours they don't work or are off so they feel like they are judged for not responding to emails/calls right away.

Same with me - full time case load with 80% salary 4 days a week. I had the highest workload of anyone in the company and worked 10 hour days plus always took calls on my off day. When I got only a “meets expectations” on a performance review (because “exceeds expectations” was reserved for full time employees), I got pissed and went back full time, effectively getting a 20% raise for the same amount of work. I actually worked less than I had part time because I went strictly 8 hours a day. And, I got “exceeds expectations” every year since.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only times I've ever seen it work are with two women who propose a job share.

This. Otherwise where do you think the rest if your work will go?

To another company.

Where would it go if she got hit by a bus tomorrow? I am sure there would be some way that it would get done or clients would deal with not having it done.

They would hire a replacement. Just like if she quit. The work would get done.

Yes, if they are down 100% they’ll hire a replacement. But they aren’t just going to say - sure, OP, you can do 50% of your work and the other 50% just won’t get done 🤷🏻‍♀️

It would get done somewhere else right? I don't know what she does, but she is talking about dropping 1/2 of her clients. If she is a therapist, then 50% of her clients would just go to another agency. If she is a pediatrician, then 50% of her patients would go to another pediatrician's office. If she is an attorney, then 50% of her clients would find another law firm to work with. It's a big city. I'm sure that the work will still get done.

Oh wow. Where do you work? You clearly don’t understand the business world. No company is going to voluntarily lose revenue to allow OP to work less. It’s easier to replace her.

I have a small business with a few employees. Anyone who is revenue producing would be able to go part time if they took a decrease in salary. And they can work more if they want to make more. There is nothing magical about forty hours/wk.

Where do you work that your boss wouldn’t let you drop some of your clients to decrease to part time, and would rather fire you and find someone new. If they were worried about losing revenue, wouldn’t they worry that your clients would follow you somewhere that would allow PT work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only times I've ever seen it work are with two women who propose a job share.

This. Otherwise where do you think the rest if your work will go?

To another company.

Where would it go if she got hit by a bus tomorrow? I am sure there would be some way that it would get done or clients would deal with not having it done.

They would hire a replacement. Just like if she quit. The work would get done.

Yes, if they are down 100% they’ll hire a replacement. But they aren’t just going to say - sure, OP, you can do 50% of your work and the other 50% just won’t get done 🤷🏻‍♀️

It would get done somewhere else right? I don't know what she does, but she is talking about dropping 1/2 of her clients. If she is a therapist, then 50% of her clients would just go to another agency. If she is a pediatrician, then 50% of her patients would go to another pediatrician's office. If she is an attorney, then 50% of her clients would find another law firm to work with. It's a big city. I'm sure that the work will still get done.

Oh wow. Where do you work? You clearly don’t understand the business world. No company is going to voluntarily lose revenue to allow OP to work less. It’s easier to replace her.

I have a small business with a few employees. Anyone who is revenue producing would be able to go part time if they took a decrease in salary. And they can work more if they want to make more. There is nothing magical about forty hours/wk.

Where do you work that your boss wouldn’t let you drop some of your clients to decrease to part time, and would rather fire you and find someone new. If they were worried about losing revenue, wouldn’t they worry that your clients would follow you somewhere that would allow PT work?

The real world. Not your little MLM business. Show me a Fortune 500 company that would be ok with losing clients?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is quite real. We have people in the project who work part-time due to various family circumstances. The authorities react quite normally, there are no problems.

You are happy. Experience shows that few companies are willing to take an employee to the south.

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Anonymous wrote:The only times I've ever seen it work are with two women who propose a job share.

This. Otherwise where do you think the rest if your work will go?

To another company.

Where would it go if she got hit by a bus tomorrow? I am sure there would be some way that it would get done or clients would deal with not having it done.

They would hire a replacement. Just like if she quit. The work would get done.

Yes, if they are down 100% they’ll hire a replacement. But they aren’t just going to say - sure, OP, you can do 50% of your work and the other 50% just won’t get done 🤷🏻‍♀️

It would get done somewhere else right? I don't know what she does, but she is talking about dropping 1/2 of her clients. If she is a therapist, then 50% of her clients would just go to another agency. If she is a pediatrician, then 50% of her patients would go to another pediatrician's office. If she is an attorney, then 50% of her clients would find another law firm to work with. It's a big city. I'm sure that the work will still get done.

Oh wow. Where do you work? You clearly don’t understand the business world. No company is going to voluntarily lose revenue to allow OP to work less. It’s easier to replace her.

I have a small business with a few employees. Anyone who is revenue producing would be able to go part time if they took a decrease in salary. And they can work more if they want to make more. There is nothing magical about forty hours/wk.

Where do you work that your boss wouldn’t let you drop some of your clients to decrease to part time, and would rather fire you and find someone new. If they were worried about losing revenue, wouldn’t they worry that your clients would follow you somewhere that would allow PT work?

The real world. Not your little MLM business. Show me a Fortune 500 company that would be ok with losing clients?

What do you think an MLM is, exactly? Do you think it’s shorthand for any business that isn’t a Fortune 500? So, if you take your dog to the vet, do you think that’s an MLM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did this. Requested parttime. What I really got was the ability to do my full time job with part time hours. So, for my company, it was a bonus for them that they got the same amount of work from me, while paying me less. I was so desparate to be home with my baby, I took it. And it worked, for a while.

This! I did this after maternity leave temporarily. It was helpful to have slightly less expectation of being present (no going into my office on off days), but in no way was my workload doable in the agreed upon PT hours.

The company was open to it bc I was a good employee, didn’t require them to hire and train a new person, and they were about to pay me 50% of my salary for what was really probably closer to 80% of my normal workload.

I wouldn’t recommend it long term unless you can very clearly make the hours match the workload.

[Anonymous]

Hiring lateral employees is a dicey proposition. Maybe works well 20-40% of the time, and involves a lot of upfront investment of time.

As long as there's not a recession, most employers would rather keep you at 60% than lose you and have to hire a new employee. Realistically, you'll figure out a way to do 80% of your current workload in 60% of the current time. You'll become more efficient. You'll cut the unnecessary lunches and office cooler talk. That's what happens when women have kids. So most employers would rather keep you and get 80% of the work done, versus fire you and get a new employee who needs to be trained and has a 50% chance of sucking.

Understand your worth, and make yourself valuable to your employer under this context. If you don't understand why you're still valuable to an employer at 60%, then I'm not sure it works for you -- because that either means you're not that great of an employee, or you lack confidence.

[Anonymous]

Most companies will work with you on this. They want to keep good employees that are already trained.

Good people are hard to find.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did this. Requested parttime. What I really got was the ability to do my full time job with part time hours. So, for my company, it was a bonus for them that they got the same amount of work from me, while paying me less. I was so desparate to be home with my baby, I took it. And it worked, for a while.

So it sounds like your original workload wasn’t enough to fill 40 hours? My issue is that my current workload is already more than can be completed in 40 hours. There’s no way I could complete the same amount of work part time.

Oh honey.
Most times (women especially) Will get the part time hours but the workload at work will be the same. Most times it is a FULL 40 hours worth of work but bonus is now they pay you less to do it. This has happened to so many of my friends it is almost unreal. Yeah, they technically work part time but often it is well over 20 adn closer to 30 but really should be spread out to 40. Or they are always contacted during hours they don't work or are off so they feel like they are judged for not responding to emails/calls right away.

Same with me - full time case load with 80% salary 4 days a week. I had the highest workload of anyone in the company and worked 10 hour days plus always took calls on my off day. When I got only a “meets expectations” on a performance review (because “exceeds expectations” was reserved for full time employees), I got pissed and went back full time, effectively getting a 20% raise for the same amount of work. I actually worked less than I had part time because I went strictly 8 hours a day. And, I got “exceeds expectations” every year since.

Classic example of how most companies suck.

[Anonymous]

I successfully negotiated a new position for myself that pays less but much less stress and a four day workweek. I'm kind of shocked that they agreed to it, and I know I was very lucky. But if I hadn't asked for it, it never would have happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did this. Requested parttime. What I really got was the ability to do my full time job with part time hours. So, for my company, it was a bonus for them that they got the same amount of work from me, while paying me less. I was so desparate to be home with my baby, I took it. And it worked, for a while.

So it sounds like your original workload wasn’t enough to fill 40 hours? My issue is that my current workload is already more than can be completed in 40 hours. There’s no way I could complete the same amount of work part time.

Oh honey.
Most times (women especially) Will get the part time hours but the workload at work will be the same. Most times it is a FULL 40 hours worth of work but bonus is now they pay you less to do it. This has happened to so many of my friends it is almost unreal. Yeah, they technically work part time but often it is well over 20 adn closer to 30 but really should be spread out to 40. Or they are always contacted during hours they don't work or are off so they feel like they are judged for not responding to emails/calls right away.

This is my situation. I am paid at 75% but am on call all the time and work 100%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most companies will work with you on this. They want to keep good employees that are already trained.

Good people are hard to find.

Sorry the great resignation is over. There are plenty of people to hire.