Mid-season team change?

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ECNL older age group?

[Anonymous]

If your DD isn't good enough to be on the top team then she should move down. If she's good enough she can work her way back up. Its not fair to the teammates on the top team to not have the best players as teammates. If your DD was a top player you would see it from that perspective.

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Which age?

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Anonymous wrote:Does this ever happen and what is the procedure? DD is worried she's going to be moved down a team and it's not due to any issues other than she has not been playing as well as before. DH is annoyed and thinks it's still early in the season and if she was playing on the lower team she would have signed up for a different club. He's right about her signing up for a different club if she had been moved down earlier. But I feel like it's the pandemic and everyone is playing worse than before and even though it may not be "fair" after they took our money with an understanding of a team assignment I feel like the world has other things to worry about. We should be happy she gets to play at all.

It happens. Since you committed for a year, you might have to play the entire amount before that club releases your daughter’s Player’s Card. Think about it and talk to your club.

Not OP, but I'd say no if they tried to reassign my DD. We accepted an offer that clearly stated which team she would be playing for. If it was an offer for a different team, we'd be at a different club.

At which point, the coach will just stop giving her minutes.

[Anonymous]

Have seen this happen on my DD team. The roster was gigantic because they took on new players mid-way through the season and new girls parents were promised playtime. Coaches would rotate moving girls to the second team for games. This, of course caused a lot of anger amongst parents so coach decided to permanently move 2 players to the second team. They were still allowed to practice once a week with the top team. One parent up and left the club. Coach refused to give them their player card so she could not play in games with new team. The other refused to move. Coach stopped playing her in games completely. It was a very sad situation and upsetting to all of the girls.

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How sad, PP. Sounds like it was handled poorly by the club. The one how left should have been given her player card. The coach should have given extra help to the one that wanted to stay even if he didn't play her very much. This type of thing destroys morale. The club was way out of line.

Especially if it was anything younger than U16/17.

Most of these kids won't play in college. Yes everyone wants to win, but part of the game is making a team gel with kids of different talent levels.

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Anonymous wrote:If your DD isn't good enough to be on the top team then she should move down. If she's good enough she can work her way back up. Its not fair to the teammates on the top team to not have the best players as teammates. If your DD was a top player you would see it from that perspective.

It seems unreasonable even when you look at it from this scenario. Our DD has been a top player in some years and I definitely did not look at it that way. Some of the weakest players were some of the friendliest kids and the most fun to have on the team. Some of the top players were mean and critical. I remember DD who never raises her voice got very upset at one of the top players once because she was putting down one of the other players. They won a lot of games that year but she was so disheartened by the team dynamics that she left that club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have seen this happen on my DD team. The roster was gigantic because they took on new players mid-way through the season and new girls parents were promised playtime. Coaches would rotate moving girls to the second team for games. This, of course caused a lot of anger amongst parents so coach decided to permanently move 2 players to the second team. They were still allowed to practice once a week with the top team. One parent up and left the club. Coach refused to give them their player card so she could not play in games with new team. The other refused to move. Coach stopped playing her in games completely. It was a very sad situation and upsetting to all of the girls.

That’s when you go above the coaches head and request VYSA release the player card (there is a process), the team can oppose the request, but they will have to justify breaking a contract and most likely have to explain why they had a roster size that exceeded guidelines

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Anonymous wrote:Have seen this happen on my DD team. The roster was gigantic because they took on new players mid-way through the season and new girls parents were promised playtime. Coaches would rotate moving girls to the second team for games. This, of course caused a lot of anger amongst parents so coach decided to permanently move 2 players to the second team. They were still allowed to practice once a week with the top team. One parent up and left the club. Coach refused to give them their player card so she could not play in games with new team. The other refused to move. Coach stopped playing her in games completely. It was a very sad situation and upsetting to all of the girls.

That’s when you go above the coaches head and request VYSA release the player card (there is a process), the team can oppose the request, but they will have to justify breaking a contract and most likely have to explain why they had a roster size that exceeded guidelines

I think the issue is when you sign on you are committing to a "club" and although assigned a team they can pretty much do whatever they want

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have seen this happen on my DD team. The roster was gigantic because they took on new players mid-way through the season and new girls parents were promised playtime. Coaches would rotate moving girls to the second team for games. This, of course caused a lot of anger amongst parents so coach decided to permanently move 2 players to the second team. They were still allowed to practice once a week with the top team. One parent up and left the club. Coach refused to give them their player card so she could not play in games with new team. The other refused to move. Coach stopped playing her in games completely. It was a very sad situation and upsetting to all of the girls.

That’s when you go above the coaches head and request VYSA release the player card (there is a process), the team can oppose the request, but they will have to justify breaking a contract and most likely have to explain why they had a roster size that exceeded guidelines

I think the issue is when you sign on you are committing to a "club" and although assigned a team they can pretty much do whatever they want

That really depends on the offer you receive and the contract you sign - I was curious and checked DDs- it specifies the team

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Ours seems to specify team too although I haven't gone through all the fine print.

[Anonymous]

I am sorry for your daughter. My son is in a similar position and it is a lot of stress. We paid the full year and were told that he would be on a given team. They are also having rolling tryouts and we have been told that kids can be bumped to lower teams if a better kid comes along. It is pretty crappy.

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Not a good way to build teamwork and morale if kids are constantly worried about whether they are going to be moved.

Even if it's U17 on a state or nationally ranked team with kids being recruited for college I would not think this is not an ethically sound way to run a club.

If a kid was offered a spot on a team they must have had some ability or potential to get the offer in the first place so I can't imagine their ability is that different from the other players. Bumping them next season may be justified if they don't improve enough. But this is why we have coaches and why parents pay so much. Isn't it the coach's job to help kids improve? What club takes kids for a team and then uses rolling tryouts to bump them a month into the season? Seems like a bait and switch.

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Anonymous wrote:Have seen this happen on my DD team. The roster was gigantic because they took on new players mid-way through the season and new girls parents were promised playtime. Coaches would rotate moving girls to the second team for games. This, of course caused a lot of anger amongst parents so coach decided to permanently move 2 players to the second team. They were still allowed to practice once a week with the top team. One parent up and left the club. Coach refused to give them their player card so she could not play in games with new team. The other refused to move. Coach stopped playing her in games completely. It was a very sad situation and upsetting to all of the girls.

That’s when you go above the coaches head and request VYSA release the player card (there is a process), the team can oppose the request, but they will have to justify breaking a contract and most likely have to explain why they had a roster size that exceeded guidelines

When you get the VYSA or Maryland’s equivalent involved the club give up the card. Usually it takes about an hour. The carding organization will side with the kid play soccer someplace else. It’s not the NFL, it’s youth sports. Specially if you are demoting the player mid season. It is very petty to hold a players card. It’s worst to hold a players card who you have not interest in.

[Anonymous]

It's usually about money, but that one coach PP described just sounds mean.