if somehow we could abolish the pay-to-play system in this country...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s just say you pay $2000 in club fees. That is used for fields coaches salary insurance etc

If you practice 3 times per week and have 1 game. That’s 6 hours of coaching, not including matches away, coaches travel, time they spend away from the field planning for training etc.

That 6 hours, let’s say 48 weeks.

You are essentially paying $6.90 per hour.

Lmao you math is flawed, to say the least. You used a kid’s fees... you might have wanted to say
Divide $20,000 by 288 (6 hours x 48 weeks). Gives you $69 per hour. However, no coach works 48 weeks out 52 in the year. Probably neither do you as a burger flipper. Or maybe yes, cause that’s legal slavery but that’s another debate.

Back to our math, a coach will be involved with a team from late August to thanksgiving. If I counted right that’s roughly 14-15 weeks -> Fall season
Then you have your mid March to Memorial Day weekend. If I counted right at the top of my head that gives me 11 weeks, let’s put 12 if somehow the team has one more game in June.

So about a total of 25-26 weeks.
26 weeks x 6 hrs per week = 156 hours of direct labor hands-on.
Yeah, planning and sh1t outside means extra time but... aren’t they teachers? I don’t see teachers b1tching like that and they do real world and serious planning. Not throwing a couple of lines on a screen and a few cones on the grass. Get a grip

$20,000 / 156 = you’re looking at $128/hr.

You might just wanna get out that burger join and pick up a D or C license with USSF and ride the wave!

But i sincerely commend you for your try though, Coach!

Where is $20,000 coming from no club fee in VA is above $2800
Travel, hotel, tournament fees don’t go to the club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s just say you pay $2000 in club fees. That is used for fields coaches salary insurance etc

If you practice 3 times per week and have 1 game. That’s 6 hours of coaching, not including matches away, coaches travel, time they spend away from the field planning for training etc.

That 6 hours, let’s say 48 weeks.

You are essentially paying $6.90 per hour.

Lmao you math is flawed, to say the least. You used a kid’s fees... you might have wanted to say
Divide $20,000 by 288 (6 hours x 48 weeks). Gives you $69 per hour. However, no coach works 48 weeks out 52 in the year. Probably neither do you as a burger flipper. Or maybe yes, cause that’s legal slavery but that’s another debate.

Back to our math, a coach will be involved with a team from late August to thanksgiving. If I counted right that’s roughly 14-15 weeks -> Fall season
Then you have your mid March to Memorial Day weekend. If I counted right at the top of my head that gives me 11 weeks, let’s put 12 if somehow the team has one more game in June.

So about a total of 25-26 weeks.
26 weeks x 6 hrs per week = 156 hours of direct labor hands-on.
Yeah, planning and sh1t outside means extra time but... aren’t they teachers? I don’t see teachers b1tching like that and they do real world and serious planning. Not throwing a couple of lines on a screen and a few cones on the grass. Get a grip

$20,000 / 156 = you’re looking at $128/hr.

You might just wanna get out that burger join and pick up a D or C license with USSF and ride the wave!

But i sincerely commend you for your try though, Coach!

The cost to you is between 6-7 dollars an hour for your kid to play was the point. Good luck finding someone to look after your kid never mind teach a sport for that price.

[Anonymous]

Why complain about it? Recreational soccer costs 50 bucks a season, take your kid to play that.

[Anonymous]

Without pay to play 30 % of the kids playing travel would be cut or not see the field.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s just say you pay $2000 in club fees. That is used for fields coaches salary insurance etc

If you practice 3 times per week and have 1 game. That’s 6 hours of coaching, not including matches away, coaches travel, time they spend away from the field planning for training etc.

That 6 hours, let’s say 48 weeks.

You are essentially paying $6.90 per hour.

Lmao you math is flawed, to say the least. You used a kid’s fees... you might have wanted to say
Divide $20,000 by 288 (6 hours x 48 weeks). Gives you $69 per hour. However, no coach works 48 weeks out 52 in the year. Probably neither do you as a burger flipper. Or maybe yes, cause that’s legal slavery but that’s another debate.

Back to our math, a coach will be involved with a team from late August to thanksgiving. If I counted right that’s roughly 14-15 weeks -> Fall season
Then you have your mid March to Memorial Day weekend. If I counted right at the top of my head that gives me 11 weeks, let’s put 12 if somehow the team has one more game in June.

So about a total of 25-26 weeks.
26 weeks x 6 hrs per week = 156 hours of direct labor hands-on.
Yeah, planning and sh1t outside means extra time but... aren’t they teachers? I don’t see teachers b1tching like that and they do real world and serious planning. Not throwing a couple of lines on a screen and a few cones on the grass. Get a grip

$20,000 / 156 = you’re looking at $128/hr.

You might just wanna get out that burger join and pick up a D or C license with USSF and ride the wave!

But i sincerely commend you for your try though, Coach!

Where is $20,000 coming from no club fee in VA is above $2800
Travel, hotel, tournament fees don’t go to the club.

our club practices year round for ~$1,300 per player. better add more weeks to your math- unless you know of clubs not holding summer practices or playing over the winter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a guy just talking about this on SiriusXM FC coach academy show today at 3. I catch it mid way so did nit get the club or coaches names.

So coach/club is out in California. It was a DA club and they did/are doing very well. The guy said the relationship between the coaches, players and parents are totally different vs the big pay to play club.

Real interesting show. Talked about how everything at clubs now is about development and how that burns kids out at 15. Also said the development is pushed down to far to the lower ages.

how are they paying his salary and the fees for DA? Fields? Insurance? Just because you have a different philosophy doesn't mean you still don't have pay to play level fees. All of the clubs file publicly available 990s- you can look at them and figure out that most coaches aren't getting rich. Alexandria is probably the only exception in the area

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a guy just talking about this on SiriusXM FC coach academy show today at 3. I catch it mid way so did nit get the club or coaches names.

So coach/club is out in California. It was a DA club and they did/are doing very well. The guy said the relationship between the coaches, players and parents are totally different vs the big pay to play club.

Real interesting show. Talked about how everything at clubs now is about development and how that burns kids out at 15. Also said the development is pushed down to far to the lower ages.

how are they paying his salary and the fees for DA? Fields? Insurance? Just because you have a different philosophy doesn't mean you still don't have pay to play level fees. All of the clubs file publicly available 990s- you can look at them and figure out that most coaches aren't getting rich. Alexandria is probably the only exception in the area

Guess you must've missed the (multiple) memos on Loudoun $occer.

[Anonymous]

to see the true cost to run a soccer club you need to look at each club's not-for-profit tax form 990.

available on-line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a guy just talking about this on SiriusXM FC coach academy show today at 3. I catch it mid way so did nit get the club or coaches names.

So coach/club is out in California. It was a DA club and they did/are doing very well. The guy said the relationship between the coaches, players and parents are totally different vs the big pay to play club.

Real interesting show. Talked about how everything at clubs now is about development and how that burns kids out at 15. Also said the development is pushed down to far to the lower ages.

how are they paying his salary and the fees for DA? Fields? Insurance? Just because you have a different philosophy doesn't mean you still don't have pay to play level fees. All of the clubs file publicly available 990s- you can look at them and figure out that most coaches aren't getting rich. Alexandria is probably the only exception in the area

Well they did it. There are no fees for players. Their DA teams were 2nd or 3rd in the country. The coach said it was ridiculous and the high rankings were put too much pressure on the kids. He wanted to de- register the club from got soccer but they would not have been able to play tournaments. It was in an at risk community. Now they are drawing the better players from the big pay to play suburban clubs. Those clubs are pissed off. They do not take many because it is not there mission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a guy just talking about this on SiriusXM FC coach academy show today at 3. I catch it mid way so did nit get the club or coaches names.

So coach/club is out in California. It was a DA club and they did/are doing very well. The guy said the relationship between the coaches, players and parents are totally different vs the big pay to play club.

Real interesting show. Talked about how everything at clubs now is about development and how that burns kids out at 15. Also said the development is pushed down to far to the lower ages.

how are they paying his salary and the fees for DA? Fields? Insurance? Just because you have a different philosophy doesn't mean you still don't have pay to play level fees. All of the clubs file publicly available 990s- you can look at them and figure out that most coaches aren't getting rich. Alexandria is probably the only exception in the area

Well they did it. There are no fees for players. Their DA teams were 2nd or 3rd in the country. The coach said it was ridiculous and the high rankings were put too much pressure on the kids. He wanted to de- register the club from got soccer but they would not have been able to play tournaments. It was in an at risk community. Now they are drawing the better players from the big pay to play suburban clubs. Those clubs are pissed off. They do not take many because it is not there mission.

so corporate subsidies for at risk kids- seems totally realistic to expand that across clubs, I'm sure the sponsors will fall over themselves to underwrite suburban kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no. Not another thread about this recurring topic.

I know. It is so hard to just move on past it without clicking in and making a useless comment.



My comment? Well, it was useless if it wasn't funny, that is for sure!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:clubs in other countries still pay their coaches, who are professionals.

Bottom line is that a professional league needs to spring up and offer kids who are U15 and older contracts (below that, it is illegal for the kids to work). The contracts would guarantee schooling, soccer training, and housing. The quid pro quo would be that the school would "own" the kid for a certain length of time. Maybe until they were 21. Clauses to get out. Then the schools would "sell" the contracts to teams for a certain price. That sale of contracts would allow good schools to continue and bad schools would fail.

I am surprised that someone hasn't done this in America yet. Perhaps Socialism is more conducive to this structure?

In America, we want our kids to be great at everything. In Europe, if you don't know math by the time you are 10, you won't ever learn Calculus. I'm pretty sure that in Scotland, they don't even teach English (kidding, kidding). But seriously, Until this happens or until the NFL burns every bridge it can, American Soccer will never be a driving force in the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:clubs in other countries still pay their coaches, who are professionals.

Bottom line is that a professional league needs to spring up and offer kids who are U15 and older contracts (below that, it is illegal for the kids to work). The contracts would guarantee schooling, soccer training, and housing. The quid pro quo would be that the school would "own" the kid for a certain length of time. Maybe until they were 21. Clauses to get out. Then the schools would "sell" the contracts to teams for a certain price. That sale of contracts would allow good schools to continue and bad schools would fail.

I am surprised that someone hasn't done this in America yet. Perhaps Socialism is more conducive to this structure?

In America, we want our kids to be great at everything. In Europe, if you don't know math by the time you are 10, you won't ever learn Calculus. I'm pretty sure that in Scotland, they don't even teach English (kidding, kidding). But seriously, Until this happens or until the NFL burns every bridge it can, American Soccer will never be a driving force in the world.

And thats okay. A very small percent even gives AF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:clubs in other countries still pay their coaches, who are professionals.

Bottom line is that a professional league needs to spring up and offer kids who are U15 and older contracts (below that, it is illegal for the kids to work). The contracts would guarantee schooling, soccer training, and housing. The quid pro quo would be that the school would "own" the kid for a certain length of time. Maybe until they were 21. Clauses to get out. Then the schools would "sell" the contracts to teams for a certain price. That sale of contracts would allow good schools to continue and bad schools would fail.

I am surprised that someone hasn't done this in America yet. Perhaps Socialism is more conducive to this structure?

In America, we want our kids to be great at everything. In Europe, if you don't know math by the time you are 10, you won't ever learn Calculus. I'm pretty sure that in Scotland, they don't even teach English (kidding, kidding). But seriously, Until this happens or until the NFL burns every bridge it can, American Soccer will never be a driving force in the world.

And thats okay. A very small percent even gives AF

Put your knee pads on and blow h0

[Anonymous]

Yes, if somehow things in life were free and rainbows shot out of my ass. Grow up fool.