Indoor swimming during COVID

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope, indoor swimming is too risky. Especially since you cant wear masks when you swim.

When I lived in London I swam outdoors year round. They heated the pools. It worked fine.

No but you mostly breathe out through the water. The droplets will be well mixed with the hypochlorite in the water. And the spacing even at 4/lane is quite good.

With club swim, you are exposed to the same people every. If your team has a good culture and you trust the other families to not come in if there is any positive among extended contacts, then the risk is lowered further.

Like anything else it comes with some risk. This is going to be going on for a while so you need to decide the acceptable risk level, which applies to everything your family does, not just swim. But the risk is pretty low compared to a lot of things people seem to think are ok.

The problem is different families have different risk tolerance. Many are traveling and eating out (excluding employment) and there is a huge risk from those families. People can spread COVID and be asymptomatic.

There have been several reports of COVID on swim teams. NCAP and RMSC.

There have cases of swimmers that tested positive but I don’t think there are any cases of COVID being transmitted to other swimmers from an infected swimmer in the pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope, indoor swimming is too risky. Especially since you cant wear masks when you swim.

When I lived in London I swam outdoors year round. They heated the pools. It worked fine.

No but you mostly breathe out through the water. The droplets will be well mixed with the hypochlorite in the water. And the spacing even at 4/lane is quite good.

With club swim, you are exposed to the same people every. If your team has a good culture and you trust the other families to not come in if there is any positive among extended contacts, then the risk is lowered further.

Like anything else it comes with some risk. This is going to be going on for a while so you need to decide the acceptable risk level, which applies to everything your family does, not just swim. But the risk is pretty low compared to a lot of things people seem to think are ok.

The problem is different families have different risk tolerance. Many are traveling and eating out (excluding employment) and there is a huge risk from those families. People can spread COVID and be asymptomatic.

There have been several reports of COVID on swim teams. NCAP and RMSC.

Those diagnosed contracted covid elsewhere and it didn’t spread to any other members of the team. The health department followed up with the swimmers from both teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope, indoor swimming is too risky. Especially since you cant wear masks when you swim.

When I lived in London I swam outdoors year round. They heated the pools. It worked fine.

No but you mostly breathe out through the water. The droplets will be well mixed with the hypochlorite in the water. And the spacing even at 4/lane is quite good.

With club swim, you are exposed to the same people every. If your team has a good culture and you trust the other families to not come in if there is any positive among extended contacts, then the risk is lowered further.

Like anything else it comes with some risk. This is going to be going on for a while so you need to decide the acceptable risk level, which applies to everything your family does, not just swim. But the risk is pretty low compared to a lot of things people seem to think are ok.

The problem is different families have different risk tolerance. Many are traveling and eating out (excluding employment) and there is a huge risk from those families. People can spread COVID and be asymptomatic.

There have been several reports of COVID on swim teams. NCAP and RMSC.

Those diagnosed contracted covid elsewhere and it didn’t spread to any other members of the team. The health department followed up with the swimmers from both teams.

You are very much minimizing what is going on to justify its all ok. The point is it can very easily spread especially when there are four kids to a lane and they are standing waiting/passing each other and many of the facilities in MoCo are not well ventilated. They were lucky it didn't spread to any team members but one team member can spread it to many. Families like you aren't staying home and not following best practice so it puts families like ours who are at high risk. But, hey, as long as you have your fun and sports, its all good. No need to worry about anyone else.

[Anonymous]

I was a swimmer and competitive swimming in an indoor environment seems risky. Swimmers passing close by each other in lanes, breathing hard, in an indoor environment with let’s face it, pretty stagnate air, is not ideal. I’d be much more worried about that than locker rooms with masks on, etc. All the protective steps seem to miss the main point that swimmers are close to each other and potentially breathing close to each other’s faces.

[Anonymous]

The time when I would be concerned is whne you are on the wall. Proximity plus time is exposure. So swimming past someone minimal risk even if they have covid because there is not enough time for most people to be infected. So ideally you would not want more than two to a lane to be safe. You could do more if siblings. But every time a swimming is on the wall next to another swimmer you have proximity and time. That is the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope, indoor swimming is too risky. Especially since you cant wear masks when you swim.

When I lived in London I swam outdoors year round. They heated the pools. It worked fine.

No but you mostly breathe out through the water. The droplets will be well mixed with the hypochlorite in the water. And the spacing even at 4/lane is quite good.

With club swim, you are exposed to the same people every. If your team has a good culture and you trust the other families to not come in if there is any positive among extended contacts, then the risk is lowered further.

Like anything else it comes with some risk. This is going to be going on for a while so you need to decide the acceptable risk level, which applies to everything your family does, not just swim. But the risk is pretty low compared to a lot of things people seem to think are ok.

The problem is different families have different risk tolerance. Many are traveling and eating out (excluding employment) and there is a huge risk from those families. People can spread COVID and be asymptomatic.

There have been several reports of COVID on swim teams. NCAP and RMSC.

Those diagnosed contracted covid elsewhere and it didn’t spread to any other members of the team. The health department followed up with the swimmers from both teams.

You are very much minimizing what is going on to justify its all ok. The point is it can very easily spread especially when there are four kids to a lane and they are standing waiting/passing each other and many of the facilities in MoCo are not well ventilated. They were lucky it didn't spread to any team members but one team member can spread it to many. Families like you aren't staying home and not following best practice so it puts families like ours who are at high risk. But, hey, as long as you have your fun and sports, its all good. No need to worry about anyone else.

I would hope that people take reasonable precautions but for mental and physical health sports/activities are necessary. To say that we can do nothing for two years is drastic. And if you don't think that this will be an 18 to 24 month event you are naive. I was watching society fall apart after three months of the only activity was to walk/run your neighborhood. We have to be reasonble. Be safe. Yes, those that are bouncing around at restaurants and being socially distant with a billion people are also engaging in risky behavior. How many people do you know are still seeing everyone but sitting outside? Those events have risk too and the more people you do them with the more the risk increases.

If your tolerance for risk is low then you have to circle the wagons and do what is right for you. But unless you are a complete shut in with no outside contact you have a chance to contract it.

[Anonymous]

I would not risk indoor sports because people will exhale forcefully and release potential viral particles much further than in other indoor situations. If she does it, she MUST wear her mask at all times until she's actually at the pool edge and ready to go in. This means no standing close to people, which is hard to remember, no showering, no changing in the changing room, just straight in and out, which in winter poses a problem. She can rush to the heated car wrapped in a towel and wet feet in Ugg boots or something?

[Anonymous]

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I would hope that people take reasonable precautions but for mental and physical health sports/activities are necessary. To say that we can do nothing for two years is drastic. And if you don't think that this will be an 18 to 24 month event you are naive. I was watching society fall apart after three months of the only activity was to walk/run your neighborhood. We have to be reasonble. Be safe. Yes, those that are bouncing around at restaurants and being socially distant with a billion people are also engaging in risky behavior. How many people do you know are still seeing everyone but sitting outside? Those events have risk too and the more people you do them with the more the risk increases.

If your tolerance for risk is low then you have to circle the wagons and do what is right for you. But unless you are a complete shut in with no outside contact you have a chance to contract it.

Not PP you were conversing with, but I think we all need to be minimizing incidences of risky behavior, not participating just because "others are having fun and not us". We can't stop idiots from increasing viral spread, we can and should stop ourselves. Some people are killers, some people are savers. It's very clear who each person is, these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The time when I would be concerned is whne you are on the wall. Proximity plus time is exposure. So swimming past someone minimal risk even if they have covid because there is not enough time for most people to be infected. So ideally you would not want more than two to a lane to be safe. You could do more if siblings. But every time a swimming is on the wall next to another swimmer you have proximity and time. That is the issue.

They start from opposite sides of the pool. So there are never more than two swimmers at the wall at a time. And most teams will space them by not having them both rest at the wall. On will remain six feet away until the other pushes off. It can be done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope, indoor swimming is too risky. Especially since you cant wear masks when you swim.

When I lived in London I swam outdoors year round. They heated the pools. It worked fine.

No but you mostly breathe out through the water. The droplets will be well mixed with the hypochlorite in the water. And the spacing even at 4/lane is quite good.

With club swim, you are exposed to the same people every. If your team has a good culture and you trust the other families to not come in if there is any positive among extended contacts, then the risk is lowered further.

Like anything else it comes with some risk. This is going to be going on for a while so you need to decide the acceptable risk level, which applies to everything your family does, not just swim. But the risk is pretty low compared to a lot of things people seem to think are ok.

The problem is different families have different risk tolerance. Many are traveling and eating out (excluding employment) and there is a huge risk from those families. People can spread COVID and be asymptomatic.

There have been several reports of COVID on swim teams. NCAP and RMSC.

Those diagnosed contracted covid elsewhere and it didn’t spread to any other members of the team. The health department followed up with the swimmers from both teams.

You are very much minimizing what is going on to justify its all ok. The point is it can very easily spread especially when there are four kids to a lane and they are standing waiting/passing each other and many of the facilities in MoCo are not well ventilated. They were lucky it didn't spread to any team members but one team member can spread it to many. Families like you aren't staying home and not following best practice so it puts families like ours who are at high risk. But, hey, as long as you have your fun and sports, its all good. No need to worry about anyone else.

+1,000

But who cares who they spread it to, knowingly or unknowingly? Don't you know their kids are "boooooored" (luckily no one else's kids are bored and theirs are just special) and need "socialization" during a pandemic and will become morbidly obese Jabba the Hutts without doing an indoor team sport during a pandemic and putting everyone they come into contact with outside of that sport at risk, because God freaking forbid their kids actually eat healthy and do outdoor, non-team exercise to maintain their fitness because "they don't like that" and "it's not fun." Selfish, trashy American pseudoexceptionalism at its finest.

[Anonymous]

My DD was literally seeing no one as we have no neighbors here Age and play date type stuff has felt awkward for her (she’s not too socially adept). Huge shift from being incredibly lonely for months to being pretty normal again once swim team began. It is a risk but one we feel is better than locking her in for a year. She does not do another sport or activity (beyond instrument).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The time when I would be concerned is whne you are on the wall. Proximity plus time is exposure. So swimming past someone minimal risk even if they have covid because there is not enough time for most people to be infected. So ideally you would not want more than two to a lane to be safe. You could do more if siblings. But every time a swimming is on the wall next to another swimmer you have proximity and time. That is the issue.

They start from opposite sides of the pool. So there are never more than two swimmers at the wall at a time. And most teams will space them by not having them both rest at the wall. On will remain six feet away until the other pushes off. It can be done.

Two swimmers at the wall is an issue. I don't want your kid breathing on mine when your risk tolerance and lifestyle choices are very different than mine. Some of us are staying home for the most part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD was literally seeing no one as we have no neighbors here Age and play date type stuff has felt awkward for her (she’s not too socially adept). Huge shift from being incredibly lonely for months to being pretty normal again once swim team began. It is a risk but one we feel is better than locking her in for a year. She does not do another sport or activity (beyond instrument).

There are other ways to socialize like online. We will only do the absolute minimum required by the team to hold the spot and do swim lessons where there is one child per lane only.

[Anonymous]

Besides socializating, what about exercise? The formative years are extremely important to lifelong muscle development and health. Children should be engaging in swimming, running, biking, climbing, lifting, etc. The muscles you develope in your first 20 years of life have a correlation to how well you physically do in the last 20 years of life. Your mobility, strength and ability to fight off future diseases, cancers, viruses, etc. Not saying indoor swimming is the answer, but exercise should be a factor in what you choose to allow your kids to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD was literally seeing no one as we have no neighbors here Age and play date type stuff has felt awkward for her (she’s not too socially adept). Huge shift from being incredibly lonely for months to being pretty normal again once swim team began. It is a risk but one we feel is better than locking her in for a year. She does not do another sport or activity (beyond instrument).

There are other ways to socialize like online. We will only do the absolute minimum required by the team to hold the spot and do swim lessons where there is one child per lane only.

I’m pp you replied to. I realize that - pushed Zoom countless times but DD found it really awkward so it did not help and eventually she did not want to do them anymore - so again by that point was very isolated.