Champions League - Barcelonia vs Bayern

[Anonymous]

I don’t know how much you might actually know about Barcelona, but they haven’t had their trademark style of play in years. They morphed into a more direct team when Neymar was there, and after he left they’ve used a 4-4-2 in big matches. Definitely not the style or tactics that people associate with the club. Btw, a proactive style in which players try to be protagonists IS the best way to develop youth players, that’s indisputable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how much you might actually know about Barcelona, but they haven’t had their trademark style of play in years. They morphed into a more direct team when Neymar was there, and after he left they’ve used a 4-4-2 in big matches. Definitely not the style or tactics that people associate with the club. Btw, a proactive style in which players try to be protagonists IS the best way to develop youth players, that’s indisputable.

Are you sure? But, but, but......PDA!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how much you might actually know about Barcelona, but they haven’t had their trademark style of play in years. They morphed into a more direct team when Neymar was there, and after he left they’ve used a 4-4-2 in big matches. Definitely not the style or tactics that people associate with the club. Btw, a proactive style in which players try to be protagonists IS the best way to develop youth players, that’s indisputable.

Indisputable? Given the Barça brand, the amount of money available to the club, and the history of La Masia, Barca is able to land the top youth players in the world. Yet what have they really developed in the last 10 years? Adama Traore and Hector Bellerin may be the only youth players from that time frame who regularly start for a current Premier League team. Thiago may be the only youth player who regularly starts in the Bundesliga. I don’t think any former youth players in the last 10 years regularly start for a Ligue 1 or Series A team. Sergi Roberto may be the only regular starter for Barcelona that was a youth player in the last 10 years. Maybe I am missing some people, but that is a quite poor rate of return given how many hugely hyped youth players join La Masia.

[Anonymous]

Can one of those crazy soccer dad’s that thinks the only style to play is like Barcelona give us an opinion on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol Konrad’s not even on the bench

Lol it’s Barcelona.

This is as feeble a Barca side as you will see. At one point in the first half, Barca had 57% possession and two shots, while Bayern had 43% possession and 13 shots. The score was 4-1 at that time.

Maybe some posters on DCUM will finally stop talking about how Barca-style possession soccer is the be-all, end-all of how the game should be played.

In case you have not noticed, Barca no longer plays its traditional style. They just give the ball to Messi and wait for the magic to happen. For starters, they played in a narrow 4312 formation rather than in its traditional wide 433. The midfield had the likes of Vidal, who is not a possession player,, while creative players from La Masia either did not make the squad or remained on the bench (Puig). The squad is too old, the oldest ever that Barca fielded. The coach is at best a midtable club level. The president and the board spent 300 million in transfer fees on three players, who were all sitting on the bench, including Coutinho who was considered a surplus and shipped to Bayern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol Konrad’s not even on the bench

Lol it’s Barcelona.

This is as feeble a Barca side as you will see. At one point in the first half, Barca had 57% possession and two shots, while Bayern had 43% possession and 13 shots. The score was 4-1 at that time.

Maybe some posters on DCUM will finally stop talking about how Barca-style possession soccer is the be-all, end-all of how the game should be played.

In case you have not noticed, Barca no longer plays its traditional style. They just give the ball to Messi and wait for the magic to happen. For starters, they played in a narrow 4312 formation rather than in its traditional wide 433. The midfield had the likes of Vidal, who is not a possession player,, while creative players from La Masia either did not make the squad or remained on the bench (Puig). The squad is too old, the oldest ever that Barca fielded. The coach is at best a midtable club level. The president and the board spent 300 million in transfer fees on three players, who were all sitting on the bench, including Coutinho who was considered a surplus and shipped to Bayern.

The main reason the team is old and has tried to rely on big ticket signings from other clubs is that La Masia has not produced any players capable of starting at Barca in the last 10 years. It is a joke. People come on here all the time spouting off about La Masia and the Barca way with respect to the “proper” development of youth players, but the reality is that La Masia has produced much, much less than other teams’ academies that have half the big time youth talent that Barca has. La Masia is a shell of what it used to be, and should not be cited as one of the top academies for developing young talent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol Konrad’s not even on the bench

Lol it’s Barcelona.

This is as feeble a Barca side as you will see. At one point in the first half, Barca had 57% possession and two shots, while Bayern had 43% possession and 13 shots. The score was 4-1 at that time.

Maybe some posters on DCUM will finally stop talking about how Barca-style possession soccer is the be-all, end-all of how the game should be played.

In case you have not noticed, Barca no longer plays its traditional style. They just give the ball to Messi and wait for the magic to happen. For starters, they played in a narrow 4312 formation rather than in its traditional wide 433. The midfield had the likes of Vidal, who is not a possession player,, while creative players from La Masia either did not make the squad or remained on the bench (Puig). The squad is too old, the oldest ever that Barca fielded. The coach is at best a midtable club level. The president and the board spent 300 million in transfer fees on three players, who were all sitting on the bench, including Coutinho who was considered a surplus and shipped to Bayern.

The main reason the team is old and has tried to rely on big ticket signings from other clubs is that La Masia has not produced any players capable of starting at Barca in the last 10 years. It is a joke. People come on here all the time spouting off about La Masia and the Barca way with respect to the “proper” development of youth players, but the reality is that La Masia has produced much, much less than other teams’ academies that have half the big time youth talent that Barca has. La Masia is a shell of what it used to be, and should not be cited as one of the top academies for developing young talent.

To be fair, that's because they are trying to actually educate the boys rather than not leaving them uneducated and with a substandard earning capacity if they don't make the team. What happened before was terrible for most of the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol Konrad’s not even on the bench

Lol it’s Barcelona.

This is as feeble a Barca side as you will see. At one point in the first half, Barca had 57% possession and two shots, while Bayern had 43% possession and 13 shots. The score was 4-1 at that time.

Maybe some posters on DCUM will finally stop talking about how Barca-style possession soccer is the be-all, end-all of how the game should be played.

In case you have not noticed, Barca no longer plays its traditional style. They just give the ball to Messi and wait for the magic to happen. For starters, they played in a narrow 4312 formation rather than in its traditional wide 433. The midfield had the likes of Vidal, who is not a possession player,, while creative players from La Masia either did not make the squad or remained on the bench (Puig). The squad is too old, the oldest ever that Barca fielded. The coach is at best a midtable club level. The president and the board spent 300 million in transfer fees on three players, who were all sitting on the bench, including Coutinho who was considered a surplus and shipped to Bayern.

The main reason the team is old and has tried to rely on big ticket signings from other clubs is that La Masia has not produced any players capable of starting at Barca in the last 10 years. It is a joke. People come on here all the time spouting off about La Masia and the Barca way with respect to the “proper” development of youth players, but the reality is that La Masia has produced much, much less than other teams’ academies that have half the big time youth talent that Barca has. La Masia is a shell of what it used to be, and should not be cited as one of the top academies for developing young talent.

To be fair, that's because they are trying to actually educate the boys rather than not leaving them uneducated and with a substandard earning capacity if they don't make the team. What happened before was terrible for most of the kids.

This is the Soccer page. If you want to debate the quality of the education provided by La Masia, please go to the Private and Boarding Schools page of DCUM and post there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol Konrad’s not even on the bench

Lol it’s Barcelona.

This is as feeble a Barca side as you will see. At one point in the first half, Barca had 57% possession and two shots, while Bayern had 43% possession and 13 shots. The score was 4-1 at that time.

Maybe some posters on DCUM will finally stop talking about how Barca-style possession soccer is the be-all, end-all of how the game should be played.

In case you have not noticed, Barca no longer plays its traditional style. They just give the ball to Messi and wait for the magic to happen. For starters, they played in a narrow 4312 formation rather than in its traditional wide 433. The midfield had the likes of Vidal, who is not a possession player,, while creative players from La Masia either did not make the squad or remained on the bench (Puig). The squad is too old, the oldest ever that Barca fielded. The coach is at best a midtable club level. The president and the board spent 300 million in transfer fees on three players, who were all sitting on the bench, including Coutinho who was considered a surplus and shipped to Bayern.

The main reason the team is old and has tried to rely on big ticket signings from other clubs is that La Masia has not produced any players capable of starting at Barca in the last 10 years. It is a joke. People come on here all the time spouting off about La Masia and the Barca way with respect to the “proper” development of youth players, but the reality is that La Masia has produced much, much less than other teams’ academies that have half the big time youth talent that Barca has. La Masia is a shell of what it used to be, and should not be cited as one of the top academies for developing young talent.

To be fair, that's because they are trying to actually educate the boys rather than not leaving them uneducated and with a substandard earning capacity if they don't make the team. What happened before was terrible for most of the kids.

This is the Soccer page. If you want to debate the quality of the education provided by La Masia, please go to the Private and Boarding Schools page of DCUM and post there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol Konrad’s not even on the bench

Lol it’s Barcelona.

This is as feeble a Barca side as you will see. At one point in the first half, Barca had 57% possession and two shots, while Bayern had 43% possession and 13 shots. The score was 4-1 at that time.

Maybe some posters on DCUM will finally stop talking about how Barca-style possession soccer is the be-all, end-all of how the game should be played.

In case you have not noticed, Barca no longer plays its traditional style. They just give the ball to Messi and wait for the magic to happen. For starters, they played in a narrow 4312 formation rather than in its traditional wide 433. The midfield had the likes of Vidal, who is not a possession player,, while creative players from La Masia either did not make the squad or remained on the bench (Puig). The squad is too old, the oldest ever that Barca fielded. The coach is at best a midtable club level. The president and the board spent 300 million in transfer fees on three players, who were all sitting on the bench, including Coutinho who was considered a surplus and shipped to Bayern.

They fired the Manager/Coach immediately after the game. So there’s that...

Also, I think we are seeing the affects of Covid and uneven training in the run up amongst all of these teams.

Two of Barca’s players had Covid, Spain was hit very badly and they went back to train very late.

Then, you see Man City go down rather easily.

This is definitely not your typical Champions League...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how much you might actually know about Barcelona, but they haven’t had their trademark style of play in years. They morphed into a more direct team when Neymar was there, and after he left they’ve used a 4-4-2 in big matches. Definitely not the style or tactics that people associate with the club. Btw, a proactive style in which players try to be protagonists IS the best way to develop youth players, that’s indisputable.

Indisputable? Given the Barça brand, the amount of money available to the club, and the history of La Masia, Barca is able to land the top youth players in the world. Yet what have they really developed in the last 10 years? Adama Traore and Hector Bellerin may be the only youth players from that time frame who regularly start for a current Premier League team. Thiago may be the only youth player who regularly starts in the Bundesliga. I don’t think any former youth players in the last 10 years regularly start for a Ligue 1 or Series A team. Sergi Roberto may be the only regular starter for Barcelona that was a youth player in the last 10 years. Maybe I am missing some people, but that is a quite poor rate of return given how many hugely hyped youth players join La Masia.

I said a proactive style in which players try to be protagonists. I wasn’t talking about any specific academy, club, etc. If you have an axe to grind, that’s your problem. Barça isn’t the only place that has such a playing style, and your point about not many players from La Masia being on the first team is worthless because it ignores the fact that the people who run the club want to build the roster by signing Galacticos, which is a failed model and has landed Barça where they’re at. Young talent is not given a proper chance and it doesn’t really matter whether they’re good enough or not when that’s the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol Konrad’s not even on the bench

Lol it’s Barcelona.

This is as feeble a Barca side as you will see. At one point in the first half, Barca had 57% possession and two shots, while Bayern had 43% possession and 13 shots. The score was 4-1 at that time.

Maybe some posters on DCUM will finally stop talking about how Barca-style possession soccer is the be-all, end-all of how the game should be played.

Did you watch the game? Barca’s defense and goal keeping was horrible. Stegen play out of the back was straight to Bayern players and the Barca defenders were turn over machine and out of position. Barca does not have the players and this has been said for a few years now. Messi is really good but after that Bayern’s players are just better.

Yes. Tersteegen was awful as was Lenglet. He personally allowed 4 goals by not marking his man. The rest of Barca looked old. Their management has done a poor job injecting quality youth to mix with aged stars. Meanwhile, Davies is a force to recon with and will be tough for us to handle in CONCACAF.

[Anonymous]

There’s no style dominance, there are many styles and some fads. The person had it right who said the better players win. I’d argue that the collection of like minded, better players will always win. As long as they are suited to their chosen style, know one another well and function as a unit, if they are superior players they will win.

The delusion that the Barca style possession game somehow can propel lesser players and teams to victory over better teams has been laid bare.

The emperor has no clothes.

[Anonymous]

Boom. That settles it. Let’s all run over to SYC and learn the secrets of the M brothers’ 4-0-6 formation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol Konrad’s not even on the bench

Lol it’s Barcelona.

This is as feeble a Barca side as you will see. At one point in the first half, Barca had 57% possession and two shots, while Bayern had 43% possession and 13 shots. The score was 4-1 at that time.

Maybe some posters on DCUM will finally stop talking about how Barca-style possession soccer is the be-all, end-all of how the game should be played.

In case you have not noticed, Barca no longer plays its traditional style. They just give the ball to Messi and wait for the magic to happen. For starters, they played in a narrow 4312 formation rather than in its traditional wide 433. The midfield had the likes of Vidal, who is not a possession player,, while creative players from La Masia either did not make the squad or remained on the bench (Puig). The squad is too old, the oldest ever that Barca fielded. The coach is at best a midtable club level. The president and the board spent 300 million in transfer fees on three players, who were all sitting on the bench, including Coutinho who was considered a surplus and shipped to Bayern.

The main reason the team is old and has tried to rely on big ticket signings from other clubs is that La Masia has not produced any players capable of starting at Barca in the last 10 years. It is a joke. People come on here all the time spouting off about La Masia and the Barca way with respect to the “proper” development of youth players, but the reality is that La Masia has produced much, much less than other teams’ academies that have half the big time youth talent that Barca has. La Masia is a shell of what it used to be, and should not be cited as one of the top academies for developing young talent.

When you rely on big signings, it is harder for youngsters to break into the first team and get playing time, which is critical for their development. When they bought Neymar, their forwards were Neymar, Suarez (in his prime) and Messi. What were the chances of an academy forward to get the playing time with the first team? Tiago Alcantara, who started for Bayern, left Barca because he could not break into the starting line up, which contained Xavi, Inesta and Busquets. Barca got smashed by Bayern not because La Masia is underperforming, but because idiots have been running the club in the last few years. Here's a nice article that shows that Barca's current president and board completely changed Barca's approach. https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona/story/4160357/barcelonas-champions-league-humiliation-by-bayern-was-their-own-faultyet-they-didnt-see-it-coming