Network marketing

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-- also feels icky, but then I wonder am I the dumb one? Some these people are making six figures (this is fact, but i know many others are not at all) and making their own schedule and no one is forced to buy. Why would I do some boring in office job like a robot? my point being, i agree with all of you but trying to examine why and what the big problem is with it..


Have you seen their tax returns? Otherwise you really have no idea, there's a huge incentive in these types of schemes to play it off like you're far more successful than you really are. Read some of the expose pieces on Mary Kay and Lululemon.

You're right on the second part. In fact, not just many others but the vast majority of others are not successful and many quit because they are not successful.

Also, re: unethical. It's a sh*tty business model that relies on signing people up to sell your products to them and where most of your sales are to sales people rather than actual customers.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here- sorry i can't seem to formulate my thoughts in one post..

Equally cringey and depressing (to me) is sitting at a desk 40 hours a week working for someone else and/or making a small hourly wage... my DH is entrepreneur so this mindset may be ingrained in me..
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One of you should have a stable job.

And MLM IS NOT Entrepreneurial, FFS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here-- also feels icky, but then I wonder am I the dumb one? Some these people are making six figures (this is fact, but i know many others are not at all) and making their own schedule and no one is forced to buy. Why would I do some boring in office job like a robot? my point being, i agree with all of you but trying to examine why and what the big problem is with it..


The vast majority of people who get involved in these scams (and they are scams, make no mistake about it) lose money. Sometimes very large sums of money. And you would be working for someone else, but they have offloaded 99% of the risk onto you, with absolutely zero benefits. No vacation, no sick leave, no retirement, no health insurance, nothing at all. Technically, you're on the hook for 100% of the taxes. And on top of that, you're willing to fork over money for the "privilege" of working for these monsters?

Demand to see income disclosures. They're eye opening and absolutely horrifying. Bare minimum, 90% of people will be making less than $100 a year--and that's before expenses. They're losing money and because of how these are structured, they will never make money.
Anonymous
Go listen to a podcast called The Dream. You’ll learn all about what a scam MLMs are.
Anonymous
She makes $100k a year after buying $400k of product that first year
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here- sorry i can't seem to formulate my thoughts in one post..

Equally cringey and depressing (to me) is sitting at a desk 40 hours a week working for someone else and/or making a small hourly wage... my DH is entrepreneur so this mindset may be ingrained in me..


Well sure but I don’t do that either. These are not the only two choices in life- low pay wage slave or slimy pyramid scheme scammer.

And trust me- NOTHING about schilling from your delivery bed seems glamorous to me. These beach body coaches are the WORST. I’ll take my 13 paid weeks and year to return, and my paid vacation and my 401k and my health insurance please.

Read up on Amy and storm bailey - they sell beach body just killed one of their twin preemies in a drunken smothering incident in bed. Her entire life became, and was ruined by beach body (great thread for this info on reddit under the “hunsnark” forum.
Anonymous
this is a joke right
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Unethical and slimy. Do not be tempted- you know the percentage of people who actually make money is a tiny percentage? The people that you know, I’m pretty sure that they aren’t hugely successful. It’s mostly a scam.


Is it unethical? How? (again not debating- asking!)


It’s unethical because they constantly post fake things (thanks MLM for paying for my brand new kitchen! My vacation house! Etc) and the vast, vast majority of people lose money at it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here- sorry i can't seem to formulate my thoughts in one post..

Equally cringey and depressing (to me) is sitting at a desk 40 hours a week working for someone else and/or making a small hourly wage... my DH is entrepreneur so this mindset may be ingrained in me..


NP. This is probably the biggest lie that's told in MLM. If you are recruiting people to sell a company's products, you are still working for the head of that company. You are only "working for yourself" in the sense that you file taxes as an independent contractor. You have NO ownership of the company.

The only way to make money in MLM is to get in very very early and recruit a lot of people. Then you hope the pyramid doesn't collapse right away. Either way, you'll alienate a lot of your friends and family. It's not worth it.
Anonymous
All of these MLMs have to make public their income disclosures which show the statistics of how much their “distributors” are making. A huge percent of people make little money or lose money. The MLM model is predatory and full of fake promises, I’ve seen friends fall victim to the false promises and I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. Look up the income disclosure forms for any MLM you may consider joining
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Hi! I am intrigued (and also annoyed sometimes) by this. I know 2 people having HUGE success and it's tempting for many reasons. That being said, it's also unappealing for many other reasons. Has anyone tried and have any feedback? It seems like this is the direction things are going though...

OP, doesn't everyone have "huge success"? That's kind of the sales pitch to get involved. Here's a hint: They're not having huge success.


The 2 I know, are for a fact. I know that-- but there are obv tons who aren't...I guess it's a small minority who do?

How do you know for a fact? Have you seen their tax returns?

I always think of the Shanann Watts case — she was an MLM’er (sold those Thrive patches) and one might look at her and THINK she was having “huge success”. She had the Thrive-sponsored luxury vehicle (Lexus I think), she and her husband went on all sorts of Thrive trips every year, she was *constantly* on social media posting about her $$$$ from Thrive, her latest award (“I reached diamond level for over 400,000 in sales!!”) etc. but the truth was, her family was deep in debt and had something like $20 in their checking + savings. Giving the image of success is HUGE in network marketing (it’s a recruitment tool) but again, unless you’ve actually seen their bank account/tax returns/etc. you have absolutely no idea. Financing a lifestyle one cannot afford is a real thing...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here- sorry i can't seem to formulate my thoughts in one post..

Equally cringey and depressing (to me) is sitting at a desk 40 hours a week working for someone else and/or making a small hourly wage... my DH is entrepreneur so this mindset may be ingrained in me..

You realize that selling skin products or patches or shampoo or whatever else is still working for someone else, right?

I’d rather have a guaranteed hourly wage, even if it’s small, than take part in a scheme where many people LOSE money, and even more (the vast majority) only make like $100/year in profit).

Selling Monat or Rodan and Fields is NOT entrepreneurial, dear Lord. MLM people always use that word, and I do not think it means what they think it means
Anonymous
“Network marketing” aka MLMs exploit women (and often vulnerable women at that) and are just horrible by so many measures. AVOID.
Anonymous
OP,
There is nothing entrepreneurial about “network marketing”. It’s a scam for losers. Get a real job or start a real company.

I know tons of people who sell magnetic eyelashes and Stella and Dot and essential oils. They’re all pathetic and just try to pawn their wares off on friends via their Facebook pages. Zero respect.
Anonymous
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