Shaw middle school?

[Anonymous]

With revenues the way they are I don't think we'll be seeing big capital expenditures in the near future.

Start working on improving Cardozo. A big help would be to get F-S to be PK-5 and send all the MS kids from there to Cardozo as well. There also needs to be a separate MS principal at Cardozo. These are inexpensive solutions compared to building a new school.

[Anonymous]

There are definitely less expensive ways to invest/improve Cardozo now. This should be done, in addition to, any future plans for a Middle School. If they won't even invest in the existing Middle school/students, what makes you think that a brand new shiny building will solve any of the existing issues? Moving the school from one building to another is not a magic bullet.

[Anonymous]

I'm a Seaton parent and don't support the idea of building another middle school for the neighborhood. Especially considering many of the neighborhood parents jump to Mundo Verde once they get a slot and many with means move to the burbs for more space by 4th grade.

If you don't like Cardozo try MacFarland. This city is quite small and 3 miles is not far to send a middle schooler to go to school. That distance is normal in most major cities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Seaton parent and don't support the idea of building another middle school for the neighborhood. Especially considering many of the neighborhood parents jump to Mundo Verde once they get a slot and many with means move to the burbs for more space by 4th grade.

If you don't like Cardozo try MacFarland. This city is quite small and 3 miles is not far to send a middle schooler to go to school. That distance is normal in most major cities.

MacFarland is also going to exceed capacity. This is not really about what people want right now. It is about having enough space by the time it is needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Seaton parent and don't support the idea of building another middle school for the neighborhood. Especially considering many of the neighborhood parents jump to Mundo Verde once they get a slot and many with means move to the burbs for more space by 4th grade.

If you don't like Cardozo try MacFarland. This city is quite small and 3 miles is not far to send a middle schooler to go to school. That distance is normal in most major cities.

Wonder where the Mundo Verde kids will go who don't get a spot at DCI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From my understanding, Lincoln is also an option for at least some of those schools and Macfarland for the dual language students. The people that I heard talking about building a shaw middle school said that Cardoza middle should be shut down. So, if a growth trajectory is bring considered, then why shut it down? Also, I was here long enough to see Shaw promised to the majority black residents. Only after the majority white parents came and raised a fuss, was there any serious talk about making a new Shaw middle school. And no, I absolutely would not send my kids to Cardoza. However, some of the very same parents who tried to get us to come and rally for the Shaw middle school also tried to sell us Cardoza as an option in the meantime. But, Cardoza isn't good enough for them?

It's CardozO. Not CardozA.

The idea is to move the middle school from the building it shares with Cardozo High School, and put it in a new building. That way both middle and high schools will have adequate space. Yes, some people are trying to rally local parents to Cardozo, but in the long run more room is needed. All kids deserve enough space regardless of their background or academic performance.

So. the plan is to build two new schools? The other parent who said that they have two elementary students in the area, did they not see what the options were before? Yes, a lot of parents from the feeder schools are minorities but, who do you think is pushing for this new middle school? Also, which elementary schools feed into SWW@FS? There are so many gaps in education right now especially for minority students. I don't think that any new schools should be opened now. It's time to focus on existing schools and students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From my understanding, Lincoln is also an option for at least some of those schools and Macfarland for the dual language students. The people that I heard talking about building a shaw middle school said that Cardoza middle should be shut down. So, if a growth trajectory is bring considered, then why shut it down? Also, I was here long enough to see Shaw promised to the majority black residents. Only after the majority white parents came and raised a fuss, was there any serious talk about making a new Shaw middle school. And no, I absolutely would not send my kids to Cardoza. However, some of the very same parents who tried to get us to come and rally for the Shaw middle school also tried to sell us Cardoza as an option in the meantime. But, Cardoza isn't good enough for them?

It's CardozO. Not CardozA.

The idea is to move the middle school from the building it shares with Cardozo High School, and put it in a new building. That way both middle and high schools will have adequate space. Yes, some people are trying to rally local parents to Cardozo, but in the long run more room is needed. All kids deserve enough space regardless of their background or academic performance.

So. the plan is to build two new schools? The other parent who said that they have two elementary students in the area, did they not see what the options were before? Yes, a lot of parents from the feeder schools are minorities but, who do you think is pushing for this new middle school? Also, which elementary schools feed into SWW@FS? There are so many gaps in education right now especially for minority students. I don't think that any new schools should be opened now. It's time to focus on existing schools and students.

You are so confused. The plan is to build one new school, the middle school. Cardozo gets to keep its current building and use all of it for high school. No more sharing with the middle school.

Ross, Francis-Stevens, and Thomson feed into SWW@FS for middle school.

[Anonymous]

This has been hashed out so many times over the years.

Existing Middle School needs work. Projected numbers show that there will need to be a stand-alone Middle school in the future. Many people are supportive of the future stand alone option, and are pouring a lot of time and energy into that process. There is not an equivalent community-led effort to help support the existing Middle School. There is no guarantee that the parents pushing for the new Middle will actually send their children there (See "Nice White Parents" podcast).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This has been hashed out so many times over the years.

Existing Middle School needs work. Projected numbers show that there will need to be a stand-alone Middle school in the future. Many people are supportive of the future stand alone option, and are pouring a lot of time and energy into that process. There is not an equivalent community-led effort to help support the existing Middle School. There is no guarantee that the parents pushing for the new Middle will actually send their children there (See "Nice White Parents" podcast).

But the middle school will be needed regardless of what those parents do. And it will likely not happen in time for their children to attend anyway, and they know it.

[Anonymous]

I don't think that they know it. In the meeting that I went to, it was said that it would be open in 2021 "for our kids". I wonder how many kids are they projecting will be able to fit in the new school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think that they know it. In the meeting that I went to, it was said that it would be open in 2021 "for our kids". I wonder how many kids are they projecting will be able to fit in the new school.

Maybe they said that, but everyone I know thought it was BS at the time. To open a year from now, when they haven't even settled on a site or enacted the funding, is impossible.

[Anonymous]

The thing that I have never understood is, if you know your kid will not attend (or likely wont because of timing)... and you are still advocating for the new school, why are you not also advocating for the existing school.

It just really bothers me that so many people want to help these future kids, but aren't willing to help the existing kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing that I have never understood is, if you know your kid will not attend (or likely wont because of timing)... and you are still advocating for the new school, why are you not also advocating for the existing school.

It just really bothers me that so many people want to help these future kids, but aren't willing to help the existing kids.

Because the existing school is such a hot mess and its principal so hostile to the middle school that there is really little that can be accomplished. Parent advocacy can't fix everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that I have never understood is, if you know your kid will not attend (or likely wont because of timing)... and you are still advocating for the new school, why are you not also advocating for the existing school.

It just really bothers me that so many people want to help these future kids, but aren't willing to help the existing kids.

Because the existing school is such a hot mess and its principal so hostile to the middle school that there is really little that can be accomplished. Parent advocacy can't fix everything.

For those bashing Cardozo, please relate your firsthand experiences with the school or sending your children there that made you conclude it is so terrible no kids should go there. In the meantime, can y’all stop pretending there’s anything other than racist and classist perceptions fueling this anti-Cardozo demand for a separate middle school in center city?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that I have never understood is, if you know your kid will not attend (or likely wont because of timing)... and you are still advocating for the new school, why are you not also advocating for the existing school.

It just really bothers me that so many people want to help these future kids, but aren't willing to help the existing kids.

Because the existing school is such a hot mess and its principal so hostile to the middle school that there is really little that can be accomplished. Parent advocacy can't fix everything.

For those bashing Cardozo, please relate your firsthand experiences with the school or sending your children there that made you conclude it is so terrible no kids should go there. In the meantime, can y’all stop pretending there’s anything other than racist and classist perceptions fueling this anti-Cardozo demand for a separate middle school in center city?

Could it possibly be the rock bottom low test scores? Or maybe that the proportion of kids living in the boundary who choose to attend is also super low? Very few people of any race or class are willing to send their children to this school. Why?