Is my calculation right? - CES class

[Anonymous]

Sweet! An 8 hour day would be heaven compared to the 10-12 hour days I normally put in teaching. Can I get it put in my contract that I am paid overtime if it takes more than 40 hours a week?

Do you not understand the concept of a salary?

If you want overtime for extra hours, I hear Target is hiring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Umm...if teachers are teaching in a regular classroom how do expect them to teaching online at the same time?

I do it at my office. 20 class participants are in the room with me. 10 others are participating from other locations. I share my computer screen the people who are not in the room. They can hear me I can hear them. I teach everyone.

I hope it works as smoothly for teachers...but doubtful.

Hearing, sure.

How can you monitor engagement and behavior both places? I ask because teachers will be expected to do so.

Sometimes you are looking at your physical class and sometimes you are looking at people on the screen. Though I teach adults I still have to deal with engagement issues...less so behavior.

Agree completely - adult professional learning and corporate business has been doing physical mix with remote and that’s where learning design and specialised skills come into play - in the past ten years we’ve migrated to this all over the world. There are easy engagement tools, accountability measures, etc. This crazy DL or blended life face to face and live on screen is a thing. I feel like we are the grouchy old person who says “well in my day, that’s not how we did it”. Just because you haven’t heard of it as a discipline, and we had a crap example in the spring, we are not inventing the wheel. The world largely runs this way. I’m surprised more people haven’t run into this in their own work or outside interests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop. Teacher workloads are NOT going to be 2x or 5x. Sorry, teachers, that fall DL won't be like spring when you worked 1 hour a day max. You will have to put in an 8 hour day like the rest of the professional world.

Sweet! An 8 hour day would be heaven compared to the 10-12 hour days I normally put in teaching. Can I get it put in my contract that I am paid overtime if it takes more than 40 hours a week?

Are you including your DCurbanmom time as professionally related?

[Anonymous]

Will the following be reasonable:

- Virtual literacy & math will be taught across two CES classes on M, T, Th, F.
- For in-person, 25% of each class will rotate between M/T and Th/F in the classroom
- On days when those 25% of each class are supposed to do virtual learning, it is likely that the other 25% of would do asynchronous/independent learning. It is also possible that they just join the virtual groups on Th/F or M/T. This part is not specified clearly yet, but not sure how it could happy because covered materials on M/T and Th/F are supposed to be the same.

So each teacher will twice (or three times) on M, T, Th, F. There will be other classes/special being rotated in both the morning and afternoon. Virtual/In-person sessions will also only be 1 hour per day (as opposed to ~1.5 hour during the non-pandemic school days). All together the teaching load (in terms of time spent directly with kids) is comparable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will the following be reasonable:

- Virtual literacy & math will be taught across two CES classes on M, T, Th, F.
- For in-person, 25% of each class will rotate between M/T and Th/F in the classroom
- On days when those 25% of each class are supposed to do virtual learning, it is likely that the other 25% of would do asynchronous/independent learning. It is also possible that they just join the virtual groups on Th/F or M/T. This part is not specified clearly yet, but not sure how it could happy because covered materials on M/T and Th/F are supposed to be the same.

So each teacher will twice (or three times) on M, T, Th, F. There will be other classes/special being rotated in both the morning and afternoon. Virtual/In-person sessions will also only be 1 hour per day (as opposed to ~1.5 hour during the non-pandemic school days). All together the teaching load (in terms of time spent directly with kids) is comparable.

How about the curriculum load for students then?

Each teacher (ELA or math) teaches the same thing 4 times a week vs 2 times a week.

each student got the in person lesson from each teacher 1 hr/week vs. 1.5hr X 5 days=7.5hrs

[Anonymous]

Stop. Teacher workloads are NOT going to be 2x or 5x. Sorry, teachers, that fall DL won't be like spring when you worked 1 hour a day max. You will have to put in an 8 hour day like the rest of the professional world.


Sweet! An 8 hour day would be heaven compared to the 10-12 hour days I normally put in teaching. Can I get it put in my contract that I am paid overtime if it takes more than 40 hours a week?

Sounds like you have a time management issue. Maybe use some of the 11 weeks that you have off every year to work on improving your skills.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Umm...if teachers are teaching in a regular classroom how do expect them to teaching online at the same time?

I do it at my office. 20 class participants are in the room with me. 10 others are participating from other locations. I share my computer screen the people who are not in the room. They can hear me I can hear them. I teach everyone.

You facilitate live meeting 6.5 hours a day with adults that act like...CHILDREN? What do you do when one of your in person participants spits on another participant, or climbs up on a cabinet, or flees the building? And make sure you are also providing your students, I mean participants, at home with tech support. Do you also create interactive slideshows to engage and assess your participants? In case you’re old or clueless, teachers do not lecture for 6.5 hours straight!

School =/= office. Stop making this comparison!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Umm...if teachers are teaching in a regular classroom how do expect them to teaching online at the same time?

I do it at my office. 20 class participants are in the room with me. 10 others are participating from other locations. I share my computer screen the people who are not in the room. They can hear me I can hear them. I teach everyone.

Oh no! That’s too easy. You should try juggling while doing this for additional challenge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Umm...if teachers are teaching in a regular classroom how do expect them to teaching online at the same time?

I do it at my office. 20 class participants are in the room with me. 10 others are participating from other locations. I share my computer screen the people who are not in the room. They can hear me I can hear them. I teach everyone.

Honest questions -- how is the experience different for the in-class vs. virtual participants? If it's the same, then what do the in-person people get out of being there in-person? If it's different, which group has the worse experience? Would they have a better experience if you were able to focus your teaching method to target them better?

Based on my experience from in-person meetings with a few people dialed in remotely vs. all-remote meetings, I know that the remote dial-ins to a largely in-person meeting miss out on a lot. It can be hard to catch everything, particularly side questions/answers/discussions, etc. In a fully remote meeting, you don't have that problem (although that's partly because fully remote loses that ability to have a lot of side discussions).

I can't imagine that teaching a combination of in-person and remote participants at the same time provides an equal experience for the virtual participants. Seems like it would be better for them to have a teacher dedicated to a fully remote experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop. Teacher workloads are NOT going to be 2x or 5x. Sorry, teachers, that fall DL won't be like spring when you worked 1 hour a day max. You will have to put in an 8 hour day like the rest of the professional world.

Sweet! An 8 hour day would be heaven compared to the 10-12 hour days I normally put in teaching. Can I get it put in my contract that I am paid overtime if it takes more than 40 hours a week?

I think you need to be working smarter instead of harder, you think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop. Teacher workloads are NOT going to be 2x or 5x. Sorry, teachers, that fall DL won't be like spring when you worked 1 hour a day max. You will have to put in an 8 hour day like the rest of the professional world.

EXACTLY. Enough of this!