Question about priorities in Reopen DC Plan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG enough with the schools. We know you don't want to watch your kids -- too bad.

Construction workers are not packed into a 12-foot room with 25 other students for 8 hour days.

They are outside, spread out, often the solo person manning heavy machinery.

Its actually safer to be on a construction crew breathing fresh air than the recycled air classrooms with 3,000 coughing students in the same building.

+1000 Jesus Christ, people. We’re sorry that you had kids you can’t deal with being around 24 hours a day, but we’re not going to send little Petri dishes to school just so you can get a break from them and then unleash them on to the rest of society. We all know half of you aren’t keeping your kids quarantined anyways and the other half would sue the school system and government to kingdom come if your kid got it at school anyways so there’s no point. I cannot believe the selfishness of the parents that continue to spout on about schools and pools reopening despite common sense.

the point is - why are indoor restaurants and construction allowed to happen before school does? what about parents who can't work due to child care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG enough with the schools. We know you don't want to watch your kids -- too bad.

Construction workers are not packed into a 12-foot room with 25 other students for 8 hour days.

They are outside, spread out, often the solo person manning heavy machinery.

Its actually safer to be on a construction crew breathing fresh air than the recycled air classrooms with 3,000 coughing students in the same building.

+1000 Jesus Christ, people. We’re sorry that you had kids you can’t deal with being around 24 hours a day, but we’re not going to send little Petri dishes to school just so you can get a break from them and then unleash them on to the rest of society. We all know half of you aren’t keeping your kids quarantined anyways and the other half would sue the school system and government to kingdom come if your kid got it at school anyways so there’s no point. I cannot believe the selfishness of the parents that continue to spout on about schools and pools reopening despite common sense.

the point is - why are indoor restaurants and construction allowed to happen before school does? what about parents who can't work due to child care?

Because lobbyists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems that the main argument for not opening schools is that students, who are generally not at risk from coronavirus, could spread the virus to vulnerable teachers, bus drivers, and family members at home. So schools remain closed and our children suffer major negative effects. Why was construction never halted around this entire city, and it is allowed to continue in Stage 1 unabated. Everyone of those construction workers are much more likely--we know adults carry a larger viral load than children--to everyone they come in contact with: their children, aging parents, spouses, public transportation drivers, the 5 to 6 other people they travel to their jobs in cars with. How can DC prioritize construction over children?

Except for those hospitalized with Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome?

You mean the infinitesimally small number, so small that it is a statistically insignificant number- a number that is no higher than the number of children who get this during cold and flu season? Yeah, except for those. And I have teenagers who need to get back to school to learn, not because I need childcare.

No, that's not what statistical significance means. It's not a synonym for "meaningful".

Currently, the number of people hospitalized with MIS is neither statistically significant nor statistically insignificant. It's a census. It's an actual count of the number of people hospitalized with MIS.

If someone estimated the number of people hospitalized with MIS, that also would be neither statistically significant nor statistically insignificant. It would be an estimate. Statistical significance would only come in if you were testing a hypothesis, for example: The number of people hospitalized with MIS from covid is bigger (or smaller) than the number of children who get MIS during a regular cold/flu season. The result would be either, the number of people hospitalized with MIS from covid is bigger (or smaller) at a given level of statistical significance, or the number of people hospitalized with MIS from covid is NOT bigger (or smaller) at a given level of statistical significance.

[Anonymous]

We are reopening to generate revenue for business and workers. Schools do not generate any money for anyone; teachers are still being paid, so economically very small impact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are reopening to generate revenue for business and workers. Schools do not generate any money for anyone; teachers are still being paid, so economically very small impact.

How are workers going to work at businesses if schools are closed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are reopening to generate revenue for business and workers. Schools do not generate any money for anyone; teachers are still being paid, so economically very small impact.

How are workers going to work at businesses if schools are closed?

Well the same people who hate kids and are screeching about how schools should remain closed because it’s a “Petri dish” are also going to screech about how “school isn’t child care” and how dare you not foresee a complete breaking down of the social contract and had backup backup backup childcare before choosing to have kids. So that’s the plan! This country is a gerontocracy that hates kids and working families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are reopening to generate revenue for business and workers. Schools do not generate any money for anyone; teachers are still being paid, so economically very small impact.

How are workers going to work at businesses if schools are closed?

Well the same people who hate kids and are screeching about how schools should remain closed because it’s a “Petri dish” are also going to screech about how “school isn’t child care” and how dare you not foresee a complete breaking down of the social contract and had backup backup backup childcare before choosing to have kids. So that’s the plan! This country is a gerontocracy that hates kids and working families.

And yet you are the same ones screaming that Bernie was a socialist and we couldn’t possibly provide the social safety nets to make other options available for school not being your daycare so you’ve dug your own graves as far as I’m concerned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are reopening to generate revenue for business and workers. Schools do not generate any money for anyone; teachers are still being paid, so economically very small impact.

How are workers going to work at businesses if schools are closed?

Well the same people who hate kids and are screeching about how schools should remain closed because it’s a “Petri dish” are also going to screech about how “school isn’t child care” and how dare you not foresee a complete breaking down of the social contract and had backup backup backup childcare before choosing to have kids. So that’s the plan! This country is a gerontocracy that hates kids and working families.

And yet you are the same ones screaming that Bernie was a socialist and we couldn’t possibly provide the social safety nets to make other options available for school not being your daycare so you’ve dug your own graves as far as I’m concerned.

I am a socialist so yes I was a supporter of Bernie Sanders and his policies. But I hope you stretched before you made that leap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Restaurants will be allowed to serve people indoors before playgrounds and pools reopen. There is no logic.

Sure there is. The largest source of political contributions to the mayor and council is the development sector. That’s one reason why non-essential construction was allowed to continue since mid-March when a number of other jurisdictions, including New York, shit down such sites. It’s very hard to maintain social distance when working construction, which is why there are now several building sites in the District with multiple COVID-19 cases. (One site I’m the Navy Yard area had 12+).

It’s even harder to maintain social distance inside restaurants but the second largest source of contributions in DC is the hospitality, food and beverage sector. So there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Restaurants will be allowed to serve people indoors before playgrounds and pools reopen. There is no logic.

Sure there is. The largest source of political contributions to the mayor and council is the development sector. That’s one reason why non-essential construction was allowed to continue since mid-March when a number of other jurisdictions, including New York, shit down such sites. It’s very hard to maintain social distance when working construction, which is why there are now several building sites in the District with multiple COVID-19 cases. (One site I’m the Navy Yard area had 12+).

It’s even harder to maintain social distance inside restaurants but the second largest source of contributions in DC is the hospitality, food and beverage sector. So there.

Restaurants have a MAXIMUM capacity of 200 people in most DC establishments.

That will be cut in half for outdoor dining, no idea if they’ll even be at a quarter capacity for indoor. Social distancing is also easier because it’s one open air facility not hundreds of cell block rooms.

Meanwhile schools have 3,000 - 5,000 students in the same building all day long.

What do you not get that it’s a health crisis to have that many people in such a small area for a long duration? If it makes you feel better sports centers like the Capitol Arena which face the same issue as schools will also remain closed.

[Anonymous]

Very few schools have anything even approaching 2000 students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are reopening to generate revenue for business and workers. Schools do not generate any money for anyone; teachers are still being paid, so economically very small impact.

How are workers going to work at businesses if schools are closed?

Well the same people who hate kids and are screeching about how schools should remain closed because it’s a “Petri dish” are also going to screech about how “school isn’t child care” and how dare you not foresee a complete breaking down of the social contract and had backup backup backup childcare before choosing to have kids. So that’s the plan! This country is a gerontocracy that hates kids and working families.

Many people like this on this board. Part of educating children is having them all together at school with their teachers, and much is lost due to this "distance learning" simply because an 11 year-old has a hard time focusing on academics when he's home from school. A-holes like "Petri-dish Patti" don't get this, and I really don't give a damn. This society isn't just about you selfish idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Restaurants will be allowed to serve people indoors before playgrounds and pools reopen. There is no logic.

Sure there is. The largest source of political contributions to the mayor and council is the development sector. That’s one reason why non-essential construction was allowed to continue since mid-March when a number of other jurisdictions, including New York, shit down such sites. It’s very hard to maintain social distance when working construction, which is why there are now several building sites in the District with multiple COVID-19 cases. (One site I’m the Navy Yard area had 12+).

It’s even harder to maintain social distance inside restaurants but the second largest source of contributions in DC is the hospitality, food and beverage sector. So there.

Restaurants have a MAXIMUM capacity of 200 people in most DC establishments.

That will be cut in half for outdoor dining, no idea if they’ll even be at a quarter capacity for indoor. Social distancing is also easier because it’s one open air facility not hundreds of cell block rooms.

Meanwhile schools have 3,000 - 5,000 students in the same building all day long.

What do you not get that it’s a health crisis to have that many people in such a small area for a long duration? If it makes you feel better sports centers like the Capitol Arena which face the same issue as schools will also remain closed.

Which schools in DC have 3,000-5,000 students in the same building all day long? I'm asking because in Montgomery County Public Schools, only 1 of the 206 schools even has 3,000 (Montgomery Blair HS, which has about 3,200 students). But who knows, maybe in DC everything is different?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems that the main argument for not opening schools is that students, who are generally not at risk from coronavirus, could spread the virus to vulnerable teachers, bus drivers, and family members at home. So schools remain closed and our children suffer major negative effects. Why was construction never halted around this entire city, and it is allowed to continue in Stage 1 unabated. Everyone of those construction workers are much more likely--we know adults carry a larger viral load than children--to everyone they come in contact with: their children, aging parents, spouses, public transportation drivers, the 5 to 6 other people they travel to their jobs in cars with. How can DC prioritize construction over children?

You argument then is that construction should be halted, not that schools should open so just be honest and go with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are reopening to generate revenue for business and workers. Schools do not generate any money for anyone; teachers are still being paid, so economically very small impact.

How are workers going to work at businesses if schools are closed?

Well the same people who hate kids and are screeching about how schools should remain closed because it’s a “Petri dish” are also going to screech about how “school isn’t child care” and how dare you not foresee a complete breaking down of the social contract and had backup backup backup childcare before choosing to have kids. So that’s the plan! This country is a gerontocracy that hates kids and working families.

And yet you are the same ones screaming that Bernie was a socialist and we couldn’t possibly provide the social safety nets to make other options available for school not being your daycare so you’ve dug your own graves as far as I’m concerned.

I like Bernie but whatever universal child care he proposed would also be closed.