Soccer is back in Arlington!!!

[Anonymous]

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I read threads from Recent Topics and have observed that there are more pro-opening-at-all-costs posters on the Soccer Forum than any other, even in Health and Medicine or Politics, where people battle it out every day.

Are any soccer parents concerned about balancing safety and continuing the sport? Do any understand that close contact will contribute to creating clusters?

Gee. We never thought of that. See 90,000 other posts on this in these soccer threads. The problem is that there is no "balance" in those who think that we cannot take any risks in resuming life because they may create clusters. If you are back to school indoors, even with distancing, there should be no problem with playing outdoors. In the first study examining the outbreaks in China, teams of researchers found 318 outbreaks of three or more people (clusters) between January 4 and February 11. NOT ONE ORIGINATED OUTDOORS. Is there no risk? I don't think anybody can say there is no risk. Is the risk low relative to multiple other risks in our daily lives outside of outdoor soccer? Yes. How about the risk for kids relative to others? Yes, very very low compared to others involving an activity that is very very very low risk for adults in an activity where there has been no identified outbreak germinus. So in balancing the incremental risk of this versus all else, do we stay in? Are you nuts?

No, I am research scientist with a background in virology and think your knee-jerk insult reveals you have an agenda that you cannot adequately defend.

First, it is highly unlikely that schools will reopen in the fall.
Second, Asian countries, including China, have far fewer sport activities per resident than the US, so your data cannot be transposed directly, but I do agree that outdoors with physical distancing is generally safe.
Third, I am concerned about close contact, as I said, because close contact transfers viral particles whether it is indoors or outdoors. So practices that are physically distanced, in my opinion, are probably safe. But scrimmages and games, not so much. One driver can bring the child to practice, but stay in their car and avoid mingling. This parent distancing has been proposed for other activities, since we know the usual behavior of families on the sidelines. You have to think in a very granular, detail-oriented fashion here. It's not all-or-nothing.

I'd like to remind everyone that the virus will not go away without a vaccine. So far it has not mutated into a weaker strain. Mathematical models by epidemiologists ALL show a second (or multiple) surge of cases and deaths as soon as physical distancing measures are relaxed. Experts agree that this WILL happen. So please, plan accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I read threads from Recent Topics and have observed that there are more pro-opening-at-all-costs posters on the Soccer Forum than any other, even in Health and Medicine or Politics, where people battle it out every day.

Are any soccer parents concerned about balancing safety and continuing the sport? Do any understand that close contact will contribute to creating clusters?

Gee. We never thought of that. See 90,000 other posts on this in these soccer threads. The problem is that there is no "balance" in those who think that we cannot take any risks in resuming life because they may create clusters. If you are back to school indoors, even with distancing, there should be no problem with playing outdoors. In the first study examining the outbreaks in China, teams of researchers found 318 outbreaks of three or more people (clusters) between January 4 and February 11. NOT ONE ORIGINATED OUTDOORS. Is there no risk? I don't think anybody can say there is no risk. Is the risk low relative to multiple other risks in our daily lives outside of outdoor soccer? Yes. How about the risk for kids relative to others? Yes, very very low compared to others involving an activity that is very very very low risk for adults in an activity where there has been no identified outbreak germinus. So in balancing the incremental risk of this versus all else, do we stay in? Are you nuts?

No, I am research scientist with a background in virology and think your knee-jerk insult reveals you have an agenda that you cannot adequately defend.

First, it is highly unlikely that schools will reopen in the fall.
Second, Asian countries, including China, have far fewer sport activities per resident than the US, so your data cannot be transposed directly, but I do agree that outdoors with physical distancing is generally safe.
Third, I am concerned about close contact, as I said, because close contact transfers viral particles whether it is indoors or outdoors. So practices that are physically distanced, in my opinion, are probably safe. But scrimmages and games, not so much. One driver can bring the child to practice, but stay in their car and avoid mingling. This parent distancing has been proposed for other activities, since we know the usual behavior of families on the sidelines. You have to think in a very granular, detail-oriented fashion here. It's not all-or-nothing.

I'd like to remind everyone that the virus will not go away without a vaccine. So far it has not mutated into a weaker strain. Mathematical models by epidemiologists ALL show a second (or multiple) surge of cases and deaths as soon as physical distancing measures are relaxed. Experts agree that this WILL happen. So please, plan accordingly.

So, alleged research scientist, schools are reopening in the UK on June 1, and are reopening in Germany, Denmark and elsewhere. They will open elsewhere in the US. We will see what happens. I also agree there will be multiple waves. I also agree the virus will not go away. I do not assume there will be a successful vaccine ever, or certainly in the next two years. So it is possible that we will need to go on living without one, and possible herd immunity is the route to success And the key to that is living and taking appropriate precautions otherwise. Plenty of research scientists see the balance that you find elusive. Plenty of people anticipate a rise in cases when lockdown lifts. We choose to strike a different balance between life and safety.

[Anonymous]

Well, this is one way of getting a kid on the national team. Have all the great Maryland kids that are play soccer during quarantine contract COVID 19 and die. More room for VA kids. Can't these people understand that this is serious and that there is no vaccine. Keep them at home! What a bunch of morons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I read threads from Recent Topics and have observed that there are more pro-opening-at-all-costs posters on the Soccer Forum than any other, even in Health and Medicine or Politics, where people battle it out every day.

Are any soccer parents concerned about balancing safety and continuing the sport? Do any understand that close contact will contribute to creating clusters?

The same is true in the Facebook Soccer Parents group. There is a huge movement to get back on the field, and many of the comments are a bit simplistic.

I think for many parents there are very real financial / life changing issues at play in the next 12-24-36 months (i.e. college scholarships) and they've pineed so much on the soccer route they are fearful of anything that disrupts that path.

I also find it interesting that in the UK and Europe, many of the PLAYERS are the ones not wanting to return until everything is safe. There have been several high profile players, and the players union, speaking out against a rush back to the pitch. Quite a bit different from the soccer parents.

If youth sports were frozen then all players would be in same position. But that doesn’t mean you can keep up a resume and videos. Sports is just one facet of college application.

If your player is the 2% that becomes virus stricken it could cause severe long term (career ending) lung, cardio damage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just biked past a soccer field and caught a glimpse of people playing what appears to be a pickup game on a pitch - a first in what three months?! Joy to the soccer world from Arlington. Screw this quarantine already!

Which field?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, this is one way of getting a kid on the national team. Have all the great Maryland kids that are play soccer during quarantine contract COVID 19 and die. More room for VA kids. Can't these people understand that this is serious and that there is no vaccine. Keep them at home! What a bunch of morons.

it's not just a case of needing a vaccine, it's also a case of needing people to be vaccinated. how many people won't get a vaccine once it"s offered? from what I hear, that number is high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, this is one way of getting a kid on the national team. Have all the great Maryland kids that are play soccer during quarantine contract COVID 19 and die. More room for VA kids. Can't these people understand that this is serious and that there is no vaccine. Keep them at home! What a bunch of morons.

it's not just a case of needing a vaccine, it's also a case of needing people to be vaccinated. how many people won't get a vaccine once it"s offered? from what I hear, that number is high.

This is just tiresome and pathetic. You have been raised as one of the many sheep in this area. I am sure your children are being raised the same way. Too terrified and paralyzed to take any risks in life and incapable of putting anything into proportional perspective. As you wish. Leave the rest of us alone and let us continue to take care of all of your problems for you. Let me hope not too many of you go to school or play with my kids. Good grief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, this is one way of getting a kid on the national team. Have all the great Maryland kids that are play soccer during quarantine contract COVID 19 and die. More room for VA kids. Can't these people understand that this is serious and that there is no vaccine. Keep them at home! What a bunch of morons.

it's not just a case of needing a vaccine, it's also a case of needing people to be vaccinated. how many people won't get a vaccine once it"s offered? from what I hear, that number is high.

This is just tiresome and pathetic. You have been raised as one of the many sheep in this area. I am sure your children are being raised the same way. Too terrified and paralyzed to take any risks in life and incapable of putting anything into proportional perspective. As you wish. Leave the rest of us alone and let us continue to take care of all of your problems for you. Let me hope not too many of you go to school or play with my kids. Good grief.

thank goodness soccer dad is on the case. so exciting you'll take care of this for us. what a relief, we were hoping the smartest guy, in his own mind, would finally step up and fix this. hooray! I think we all hope our kids don't go to school or play with your kid, because if they're anything like you, they're unlikable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, this is one way of getting a kid on the national team. Have all the great Maryland kids that are play soccer during quarantine contract COVID 19 and die. More room for VA kids. Can't these people understand that this is serious and that there is no vaccine. Keep them at home! What a bunch of morons.

it's not just a case of needing a vaccine, it's also a case of needing people to be vaccinated. how many people won't get a vaccine once it"s offered? from what I hear, that number is high.

This is just tiresome and pathetic. You have been raised as one of the many sheep in this area. I am sure your children are being raised the same way. Too terrified and paralyzed to take any risks in life and incapable of putting anything into proportional perspective. As you wish. Leave the rest of us alone and let us continue to take care of all of your problems for you. Let me hope not too many of you go to school or play with my kids. Good grief.

YOU again? Bodies could be strewn across the park, the field could be on fire, a paramilitary group could occupy the park and taking hostages, and you would still insist that all is sunshine and daisies unless soccer is played. I hope soccer gets played this summer, and you are banned from ever witnessing/experiencing any of it from now on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, this is one way of getting a kid on the national team. Have all the great Maryland kids that are play soccer during quarantine contract COVID 19 and die. More room for VA kids. Can't these people understand that this is serious and that there is no vaccine. Keep them at home! What a bunch of morons.

it's not just a case of needing a vaccine, it's also a case of needing people to be vaccinated. how many people won't get a vaccine once it"s offered? from what I hear, that number is high.

This is just tiresome and pathetic. You have been raised as one of the many sheep in this area. I am sure your children are being raised the same way. Too terrified and paralyzed to take any risks in life and incapable of putting anything into proportional perspective. As you wish. Leave the rest of us alone and let us continue to take care of all of your problems for you. Let me hope not too many of you go to school or play with my kids. Good grief.

thank goodness soccer dad is on the case. so exciting you'll take care of this for us. what a relief, we were hoping the smartest guy, in his own mind, would finally step up and fix this. hooray! I think we all hope our kids don't go to school or play with your kid, because if they're anything like you, they're unlikable.

Because your kids are not leaving the plastic bubble any time soon, all of this is moot for you. See how that sort of takes care of itself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, this is one way of getting a kid on the national team. Have all the great Maryland kids that are play soccer during quarantine contract COVID 19 and die. More room for VA kids. Can't these people understand that this is serious and that there is no vaccine. Keep them at home! What a bunch of morons.

it's not just a case of needing a vaccine, it's also a case of needing people to be vaccinated. how many people won't get a vaccine once it"s offered? from what I hear, that number is high.

I agree with you, but I also understand the people's reluctance about taking a vaccine, which did not go through the normal testing and approval process but rather rushed through on emergency basis.