AAP Equity report

[Anonymous]

+1000 THIS DOES NOT CONFORM TO MY WORLDVIEW

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a lot of double speak. Like, they said it was good that FCPS used multiple factors and not just test scores, but then went on to say that GBRS is not a psychometrically vetted measure and thus is very arbitrary. Since it is the primary measure for finding kids eligible, this is problematic.

They showed that white people take full advantage of parent referrals.

When adjusted for test scores, an AA kid is more than 5 times more likely to be selected than a white or Asian kid with the same stats.

While URMs are still underrepresented, their representation is increasing.

People strongly supported front end services like a robust Young Scholars program to address the achievement gap

The people who created the report want to get rid of NNAT since it doesn't give them any info not already provided by CogAT NV, but it still costs a lot.

They wanted a real, vetted measure used in place of GBRS.

They want to get rid of parent referrals, parental submission of materials into the packet, and substantially reduce appeals, but they also want the in-pool benchmark reduced. The reason for this is that URMs and lower income kids are less likely to take advantage of parent referrals, parent supplied packet materials, and appeals.

They want stronger LI, LII, and LIII

They want full time AARTs at every school, and maybe extra AART support at Title I schools. They found part time AARTs pretty useless.

They also suggested using school-wide norms rather than county wide ones. Like, the top whatever percent of kids in each school would be in AAP.

The lowest kids getting accepted had CogAT scores around 90, which is well below average. The mean scores were around a 119 CogAT V, a 126 Q, and a 124 NV. Mean NNAT was lower than that, I think.

AAP teachers have complained that the range of learners is too broad, and that they will have kids who are below grade level in the same class as kids who get perfect scores on CogAT.

The goals of AAP are unclear on a county wide level.

That's the rough summary.

Now that is a disturbing stat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When adjusted for test scores, an AA kid is more than 5 times more likely to be selected than a white or Asian kid with the same stats.

Now that is a disturbing stat.

If you want the full context, it's the first paragraph on page 27

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians are over represented and Hispanics are under represented. Whites and blacks are roughly proportional to school age population.

"In the end, we found no evidence of racial / ethnic bias against African American or Hispanic
students in the Level IV selection process (either at the screening or eligibility phases)"

BULLSHIT

We all know which of the above two statements is bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians are over represented and Hispanics are under represented. Whites and blacks are roughly proportional to school age population.

Is AAP supposed to be a multicultural party? Or are there supposed to be guidelines still for admittance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When adjusted for test scores, an AA kid is more than 5 times more likely to be selected than a white or Asian kid with the same stats.

Now that is a disturbing stat.

If you want the full context, it's the first paragraph on page 27

The full context is that the system has been heavily rigged in favor of URM and they still end up being underrepresented. Do we need to rig the system further or should we do something different? Since when does Equality mean equal outcome in this country?

[Anonymous]

Do people want in based on color of their skin? Or do they want in due to higher ability?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There have been a few posts on here where people are upset that there's no LLIV at their base schools. I bet there's a strong overlap with no LLIV and principals who responded and said they don't see value in AAP. That really sucks for those schools.

There’s no LLIV at my base school. It is one of the smallest FCPS schools and we definitely don’t have enough kids to fill one full class so I kind of get the decision. That said, it hurts my principal in terms of SOL scores to give up those high scorers so I see why principals do try to add it if there is parent desire and a good size population that qualify. I especially see it added when the center is lower SES than the base. In my case the center is viewed as equal SES if not slightly higher.

[Anonymous]

18:58 - that was a good summary, thank you!

[Anonymous]

It is interesting that they dispel the myth that minority kids can't make it at the middle school level which belies the questions of why TJ's demographics are so skewed. If AAP is a big TJ feeder, why don't more black and Hispanic kids make it to TJ especially given that they make up roughly 20% of the AAP population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When adjusted for test scores, an AA kid is more than 5 times more likely to be selected than a white or Asian kid with the same stats.

Now that is a disturbing stat.

If you want the full context, it's the first paragraph on page 27

The full context is that the system has been heavily rigged in favor of URM and they still end up being underrepresented. Do we need to rig the system further or should we do something different? Since when does Equality mean equal outcome in this country?

One of the solutions they had was to strengthen front end services like Young Scholars. I hope we can all get behind that idea, at least. If there are better programs to help develop the talent of kids who are disadvantaged, more disadvantaged kids might be able to qualify without a rigged system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that they dispel the myth that minority kids can't make it at the middle school level which belies the questions of why TJ's demographics are so skewed. If AAP is a big TJ feeder, why don't more black and Hispanic kids make it to TJ especially given that they make up roughly 20% of the AAP population.

Are you gonna keep pretending you didn’t see the following conclusion or what?
“When adjusted for test scores, an AA kid is more than 5 times more likely to be selected than a white or Asian kid with the same stats.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1000 THIS DOES NOT CONFORM TO MY WORLDVIEW

What a weird post

[Anonymous]

I am ok with getting rid of the NNAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am ok with getting rid of the NNAT.

Which means squat to us....