McLean Girls ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:Current parents are also in the dark as to what is happening from a coaching standpoint and with the status of the team rosters. They probably don’t want to get into the refund issues being raised, but staying completely silent won’t work to their benefit in the long run.

I could see refund issues with Rec and Travel, but ECNL is shut up and pay so not seeing how refunds are holding up the process.

When rec funds pay travel coaches you’ll see how they are connected.

ECNL fees pay well beyond the ECNL coaching salaries. That's why large rosters are considered a money making grab. The club doesn't reduce fees in proportion to the amount of players as the number of coaches remains the same, nor does it give the coach the additional difference in fees as a salary boost. There's no incentive for the club to do that--or any club. If refunds is the answer MYS is giving for not having a coaching slate by now, then you're not getting the full story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Current parents are also in the dark as to what is happening from a coaching standpoint and with the status of the team rosters. They probably don’t want to get into the refund issues being raised, but staying completely silent won’t work to their benefit in the long run.

I could see refund issues with Rec and Travel, but ECNL is shut up and pay so not seeing how refunds are holding up the process.

When rec funds pay travel coaches you’ll see how they are connected.

ECNL fees pay well beyond the ECNL coaching salaries. That's why large rosters are considered a money making grab. The club doesn't reduce fees in proportion to the amount of players as the number of coaches remains the same, nor does it give the coach the additional difference in fees as a salary boost. There's no incentive for the club to do that--or any club. If refunds is the answer MYS is giving for not having a coaching slate by now, then you're not getting the full story.

Ok. See how long a club of just ECNL teams lasts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Current parents are also in the dark as to what is happening from a coaching standpoint and with the status of the team rosters. They probably don’t want to get into the refund issues being raised, but staying completely silent won’t work to their benefit in the long run.

I could see refund issues with Rec and Travel, but ECNL is shut up and pay so not seeing how refunds are holding up the process.

When rec funds pay travel coaches you’ll see how they are connected.

ECNL fees pay well beyond the ECNL coaching salaries. That's why large rosters are considered a money making grab. The club doesn't reduce fees in proportion to the amount of players as the number of coaches remains the same, nor does it give the coach the additional difference in fees as a salary boost. There's no incentive for the club to do that--or any club. If refunds is the answer MYS is giving for not having a coaching slate by now, then you're not getting the full story.

Ok. See how long a club of just ECNL teams lasts.

We are talking about McLean here which has rec and non-ECNL travel programs.

[Anonymous]

The new 08 team composition will be a good barometer of the DA breakup and the effects in the DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:Current parents are also in the dark as to what is happening from a coaching standpoint and with the status of the team rosters. They probably don’t want to get into the refund issues being raised, but staying completely silent won’t work to their benefit in the long run.

I could see refund issues with Rec and Travel, but ECNL is shut up and pay so not seeing how refunds are holding up the process.

When rec funds pay travel coaches you’ll see how they are connected.

ECNL fees pay well beyond the ECNL coaching salaries. That's why large rosters are considered a money making grab. The club doesn't reduce fees in proportion to the amount of players as the number of coaches remains the same, nor does it give the coach the additional difference in fees as a salary boost. There's no incentive for the club to do that--or any club. If refunds is the answer MYS is giving for not having a coaching slate by now, then you're not getting the full story.

Ok. See how long a club of just ECNL teams lasts.

We are talking about McLean here which has rec and non-ECNL travel programs.

Yep. It's an interesting point if the poster means that the club is really fielding only top teams this fall. The question is how much of a contraction we will see among parents and kids who are not soccer-committed. Probably a lot bigger than fallout for top tier kids. All of it is beside the point if these clubs aren't cross-subsidizing their elite teams with revenue from rec and other travel teams, and have sufficient revenue from elite teams to cover fixed costs plus coaches, league and field fees. A lot of bigger clubs allegedly use rec to cross-subsidize travel. I don't know enough to say whether's its true. It's been alleged in other threads.

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Anonymous wrote:Current parents are also in the dark as to what is happening from a coaching standpoint and with the status of the team rosters. They probably don’t want to get into the refund issues being raised, but staying completely silent won’t work to their benefit in the long run.

I could see refund issues with Rec and Travel, but ECNL is shut up and pay so not seeing how refunds are holding up the process.

When rec funds pay travel coaches you’ll see how they are connected.

ECNL fees pay well beyond the ECNL coaching salaries. That's why large rosters are considered a money making grab. The club doesn't reduce fees in proportion to the amount of players as the number of coaches remains the same, nor does it give the coach the additional difference in fees as a salary boost. There's no incentive for the club to do that--or any club. If refunds is the answer MYS is giving for not having a coaching slate by now, then you're not getting the full story.

Ok. See how long a club of just ECNL teams lasts.

We are talking about McLean here which has rec and non-ECNL travel programs.

Yep. It's an interesting point if the poster means that the club is really fielding only top teams this fall. The question is how much of a contraction we will see among parents and kids who are not soccer-committed. Probably a lot bigger than fallout for top tier kids. All of it is beside the point if these clubs aren't cross-subsidizing their elite teams with revenue from rec and other travel teams, and have sufficient revenue from elite teams to cover fixed costs plus coaches, league and field fees. A lot of bigger clubs allegedly use rec to cross-subsidize travel. I don't know enough to say whether's its true. It's been alleged in other threads.

An interesting distinction. Is McLean not considering fielding regular travel teams this Fall and only doing ECNL?

[Anonymous]

The point is they haven’t announced anything regarding a plan regarding ECNL or any other teams-sure would be nice to know given that May 1 has come and gone!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The new 08 team composition will be a good barometer of the DA breakup and the effects in the DMV.

Not really. There is no rush to make any moves at 08 and most are staying put.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The new 08 team composition will be a good barometer of the DA breakup and the effects in the DMV.

Not really. There is no rush to make any moves at 08 and most are staying put.

It is if 08's at former DA clubs get nervous about GA and make an exodus to ECNL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The new 08 team composition will be a good barometer of the DA breakup and the effects in the DMV.

Not really. There is no rush to make any moves at 08 and most are staying put.

It is if 08's at former DA clubs get nervous about GA and make an exodus to ECNL.

What is there to be nervous about? 08’s, 09’s all have lots of time. No need to rush to a team for a patch. This isn’t 2010 when there were two clear cut teams to join.

The parents moving now are doing so out of fear and it is because they feel they need to get their kid established. Quality players can afford to wait it out wherever they are club/team/league wise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The new 08 team composition will be a good barometer of the DA breakup and the effects in the DMV.

Not really. There is no rush to make any moves at 08 and most are staying put.

It is if 08's at former DA clubs get nervous about GA and make an exodus to ECNL.

What is there to be nervous about? 08’s, 09’s all have lots of time. No need to rush to a team for a patch. This isn’t 2010 when there were two clear cut teams to join.

The parents moving now are doing so out of fear and it is because they feel they need to get their kid established. Quality players can afford to wait it out wherever they are club/team/league wise.

Must be the parent of a McLean 08. Given the poor state of the team, I would think you would want to get some better players.

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Anonymous wrote:Current parents are also in the dark as to what is happening from a coaching standpoint and with the status of the team rosters. They probably don’t want to get into the refund issues being raised, but staying completely silent won’t work to their benefit in the long run.

I could see refund issues with Rec and Travel, but ECNL is shut up and pay so not seeing how refunds are holding up the process.

When rec funds pay travel coaches you’ll see how they are connected.

ECNL fees pay well beyond the ECNL coaching salaries. That's why large rosters are considered a money making grab. The club doesn't reduce fees in proportion to the amount of players as the number of coaches remains the same, nor does it give the coach the additional difference in fees as a salary boost. There's no incentive for the club to do that--or any club. If refunds is the answer MYS is giving for not having a coaching slate by now, then you're not getting the full story.

Ok. See how long a club of just ECNL teams lasts.

We are talking about McLean here which has rec and non-ECNL travel programs.

Yep. It's an interesting point if the poster means that the club is really fielding only top teams this fall. The question is how much of a contraction we will see among parents and kids who are not soccer-committed. Probably a lot bigger than fallout for top tier kids. All of it is beside the point if these clubs aren't cross-subsidizing their elite teams with revenue from rec and other travel teams, and have sufficient revenue from elite teams to cover fixed costs plus coaches, league and field fees. A lot of bigger clubs allegedly use rec to cross-subsidize travel. I don't know enough to say whether's its true. It's been alleged in other threads.

An interesting distinction. Is McLean not considering fielding regular travel teams this Fall and only doing ECNL?

This seems to be the reason coaches aren't being announced. The need to carry heavy ECNL rosters in order to financially support other programs seems like a foregone conclusion.

[Anonymous]

The lack of communication is horrible. I am taking my DD and moving to either MU or FCV where the communication is much better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lack of communication is horrible. I am taking my DD and moving to either MU or FCV where the communication is much better.

Yeah. Nobody believes this. Thanks FCV dad. Nice laugh!

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Anonymous wrote:Current parents are also in the dark as to what is happening from a coaching standpoint and with the status of the team rosters. They probably don’t want to get into the refund issues being raised, but staying completely silent won’t work to their benefit in the long run.

I could see refund issues with Rec and Travel, but ECNL is shut up and pay so not seeing how refunds are holding up the process.

When rec funds pay travel coaches you’ll see how they are connected.

ECNL fees pay well beyond the ECNL coaching salaries. That's why large rosters are considered a money making grab. The club doesn't reduce fees in proportion to the amount of players as the number of coaches remains the same, nor does it give the coach the additional difference in fees as a salary boost. There's no incentive for the club to do that--or any club. If refunds is the answer MYS is giving for not having a coaching slate by now, then you're not getting the full story.

Ok. See how long a club of just ECNL teams lasts.

We are talking about McLean here which has rec and non-ECNL travel programs.

Yep. It's an interesting point if the poster means that the club is really fielding only top teams this fall. The question is how much of a contraction we will see among parents and kids who are not soccer-committed. Probably a lot bigger than fallout for top tier kids. All of it is beside the point if these clubs aren't cross-subsidizing their elite teams with revenue from rec and other travel teams, and have sufficient revenue from elite teams to cover fixed costs plus coaches, league and field fees. A lot of bigger clubs allegedly use rec to cross-subsidize travel. I don't know enough to say whether's its true. It's been alleged in other threads.

An interesting distinction. Is McLean not considering fielding regular travel teams this Fall and only doing ECNL?

This seems to be the reason coaches aren't being announced. The need to carry heavy ECNL rosters in order to financially support other programs seems like a foregone conclusion.

Again a wrong assumption. ECNL does not fund the club. The rest of the club funds ECNL. A rec program with little to zero overhead is a cash cow that trickles up, not the other way around.