If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay

[Anonymous]

Right or wrong, I think it's very likely you will still have to pay if you want to keep your spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sort of shocked you would consider this a question.

How do you propose any of the staff pay themselves if you aren't paying tuition?

This should've been worked into your budget from the beginning.

OP here. I'm sort of shocked that you're sort of shocked. Did you consider that maybe I myself won't be paid if the company I work for closes down, limiting my ability to pay for daycare? Companies assume risk when they operate a business; this situation obviously is a special, unforeseen case for which management reserves should be applied to pay teachers. To expect the client, i.e., the family of the children, to pay the teachers' salaries for weeks or months on end while receiving no services in return is not a good business model. Two weeks? Maybe. Three months? No. It's the company's responsibility to plan for this kind of black swan event.

Anyway, you didn't answer my question as it was asked, so I'll hold out for those that do.

I have the same question as you OP! I mean I can’t pay the daycare for services they aren’t providing and pay for backup care to some one who is actually providing care. Just like that poster is saying we should budget for these types of emergencies, so should the business. They should have reserves to pay their employees.

[Anonymous]

As long as I'm getting paid, I plan to pay for childcare. If I have to go on Leave Without Pay (which will happen if we're closed down for more than the amount of annual leave I have), then I'm going to have to talk to them about what they can do for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sort of shocked you would consider this a question.

How do you propose any of the staff pay themselves if you aren't paying tuition?

This should've been worked into your budget from the beginning.

OP here. I'm sort of shocked that you're sort of shocked. Did you consider that maybe I myself won't be paid if the company I work for closes down, limiting my ability to pay for daycare? Companies assume risk when they operate a business; this situation obviously is a special, unforeseen case for which management reserves should be applied to pay teachers. To expect the client, i.e., the family of the children, to pay the teachers' salaries for weeks or months on end while receiving no services in return is not a good business model. Two weeks? Maybe. Three months? No. It's the company's responsibility to plan for this kind of black swan event.

Anyway, you didn't answer my question as it was asked, so I'll hold out for those that do.

How the hell is a daycare or preschool--with low profit margins--supposed to plan for this sort of event? By its very definition, a black swan event is impossible to predict, so using that term totally undermines your argument.

My kid goes to a preschool that I'm sure will ask us to continue to pay. We will gladly do so because we don't want the teachers and staff to go without their salaries.

Ok not to be a jerk but you clearly don't have a PMP certification. Properly managing risks ABSOLUTELY DOES require that you plan for unforeseen events. Some risks are knowable and can be mitigated through appropriate planning; others, like pandemics or hurricanes, are unknowable but CAN ALSO BE PLANNED FOR.

Just because an industry has low profit margins doesn't mean risks cannot be adequately addressed. That's on management to do. Management reserves, as they're called, can be built up over many years. To transfer the burden of operating costs to the customer while providing no services rendered would be a reputational and potentially legal catastrophe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve had daycares shut three times due to states of emergency and they always required we pay to keep our spot. It sucks, but a good daycare is hard to replace.

Yes, but for a weeks-long global pandemic? For an entire season?

I fully get that centers need to shut for a few days here and there. But I'd bed you'd have a claim in small claims court if they required you to pay many thousands of dollars for the teachers to go on a staycation for two months.

Because all of the teachers are going to be parting like it’s Covid-1999? This is demeaning to teachers. Because teachers don’t have their families’/parents’/own health to worry about? This is such a disgusting statement.

[Anonymous]

Seriously, OP, how could you not plan and budget for a worldwide pandemic the likes of which has not been seen in multiple lifetimes? FOR SHAME. (sarcasm, clearly).

We are planning to continue to pay for as long as we can, in otherwords as long as our income is still coming in. Not sure how long that will be. At that point we will have to reassess. It's going to be rough all around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve had daycares shut three times due to states of emergency and they always required we pay to keep our spot. It sucks, but a good daycare is hard to replace.

Yes, but for a weeks-long global pandemic? For an entire season?

I fully get that centers need to shut for a few days here and there. But I'd bed you'd have a claim in small claims court if they required you to pay many thousands of dollars for the teachers to go on a staycation for two months.

Because all of the teachers are going to be parting like it’s Covid-1999? This is demeaning to teachers. Because teachers don’t have their families’/parents’/own health to worry about? This is such a disgusting statement.

Ok look I'm liberal and all for a safety net for times like this but you need to calm down and not be so offended so easily.

[Anonymous]

Canada just had its first child case. A child in daycare. Daycare has closed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-child-care-quarantine-covid-19-1.5494970

[Anonymous]

I foresee many child care centers closing because they have to let staff go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sort of shocked you would consider this a question.

How do you propose any of the staff pay themselves if you aren't paying tuition?

This should've been worked into your budget from the beginning.

OP here. I'm sort of shocked that you're sort of shocked. Did you consider that maybe I myself won't be paid if the company I work for closes down, limiting my ability to pay for daycare? Companies assume risk when they operate a business; this situation obviously is a special, unforeseen case for which management reserves should be applied to pay teachers. To expect the client, i.e., the family of the children, to pay the teachers' salaries for weeks or months on end while receiving no services in return is not a good business model. Two weeks? Maybe. Three months? No. It's the company's responsibility to plan for this kind of black swan event.

Anyway, you didn't answer my question as it was asked, so I'll hold out for those that do.

How the hell is a daycare or preschool--with low profit margins--supposed to plan for this sort of event? By its very definition, a black swan event is impossible to predict, so using that term totally undermines your argument.

My kid goes to a preschool that I'm sure will ask us to continue to pay. We will gladly do so because we don't want the teachers and staff to go without their salaries.

Why do you assume that working parents have higher 'profit' margins? I think it's disgusting that you assume everyone will even be able to keep paying, even if they wanted to! What privileged world do you live in?

[Anonymous]

I won't be able to afford daycare if I can't work because my kid is home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve had daycares shut three times due to states of emergency and they always required we pay to keep our spot. It sucks, but a good daycare is hard to replace.

Yes, but for a weeks-long global pandemic? For an entire season?

I fully get that centers need to shut for a few days here and there. But I'd bed you'd have a claim in small claims court if they required you to pay many thousands of dollars for the teachers to go on a staycation for two months.

Because all of the teachers are going to be parting like it’s Covid-1999? This is demeaning to teachers. Because teachers don’t have their families’/parents’/own health to worry about? This is such a disgusting statement.

Ok look I'm liberal and all for a safety net for times like this but you need to calm down and not be so offended so easily.

So you get a free pass at being a jerk because you’re liberal?

[Anonymous]

They haven’t closed yet, but anticipate that they will soon, and I would expect to pay so that the teachers can get paid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They haven’t closed yet, but anticipate that they will soon, and I would expect to pay so that the teachers can get paid.

I sincerely HOPE the teachers get paid. I don't know for sure if that is the case. I'm planning to ask.

[Anonymous]

There are a ton of dependencies here and I really hope the chains (Kindercare, Primrose, Bright Horizons, Winwood) are going to find a way to help their employees. It's unconscionable that they wouldn't.