flights for 2020 Jefferson Cup Boys Weekend (2005-2010)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For U13, BRYC ECNL got placed in the 4th flight and Loudoun ECNL in the 7th. Not sure how BRYC got placed so high and Loudoun so low. Seems like EDP teams got highest placement, NPL scattered around, and NCSL just defaulted to D9 regardless of their history in other tournaments.

I think you read it wrong. They are both 3rd bracket -- Platinum
The color indicator means different sub-group, the cup organizer felt the are many team at Platinum level, thus designated different colors.

On another note, why do you place 2 Canada teams (or other out of state teams) together in the same group, don't they play together a lot already?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For U13, BRYC ECNL got placed in the 4th flight and Loudoun ECNL in the 7th. Not sure how BRYC got placed so high and Loudoun so low. Seems like EDP teams got highest placement, NPL scattered around, and NCSL just defaulted to D9 regardless of their history in other tournaments.

I think you read it wrong. They are both 3rd bracket -- Platinum
The color indicator means different sub-group, the cup organizer felt the are many team at Platinum level, thus designated different colors.

On another note, why do you place 2 Canada teams (or other out of state teams) together in the same group, don't they play together a lot already?

Thanks. I see that now. However, BRYC is Superior. Loudoun is Platinum, so BRYC is only one division above and not three. So OK.

In the Premier Group (2nd from the bottom) PAC can play Burke. They are almost neighboring clubs.

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Since every post here does not specify gender means for girls.

This is for BOYS.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=73243&Group=Boys_10

I noticed a lot of ECNL teams in the top brackets. That is interesting and shows in its third year, how far the ECNL has come.

I will say this again. Focus on the results, not the brackets. The brackets are simply somebody else's opinion. The results are not.

Say it again. But while it's not perfect, no one in the top bracket belongs in the bottom and vice versa. It does have some meaning.

Meaning for what?

Meaning that the presence of the ECNL teams in the top brackets shows the ECNL has gained traction as a national league for boys.

Oh please. Grow up. Traction with the Richmond Strikers Tournament Director? Cue the applause. You think anybody cares? I am sure DCU is shaking in their boots as the migration begins to ECNL. Not.

You are talking about leagues, not teams or even clubs. Your son's development has almost nothing to do with whether a league gets some teams in some age groups in some brackets. That is the angle. i don't have an agenda other than trying to persuade people not to be dumb when thinking about their son's development.

Everyone talks about leagues. This forum is filled with it. You are making so much out of this. The truth is some leagues tend to attract better competition than others. That has been around since time immemorial. Leagues used to be more consolidated, but there has always been a difference.

So seeing what clubs are in the ECNL and how well overall that league is performing, it is interesting to see. This has nothing to do with any of my kids.

But for you to take it so personal, makes one wonder about where your son's team was placed.

Not at all. He plays top division in these tournaments. That is about his team, not him, not his club, and not his league. It could change any time. But many years ago, when he played up, he played lower divisions and we heard all the U10 parents crow about placements and leagues and similar garbage and knew most of their kids would be lapped in pretty short order. And they were. So yes, I agree the forum is filled with chitchat and rumormongering about leagues, along with a lot of other dreck. You think a good placement for BRYC or Loudoun or McLean in a certain year results from ECNL participation? Please. You must be new to travel soccer in this area. They have been around a long time. Not a guarantee of success. Goodness knows they have a number of really weak teams among them. But each of them also has a number of recent national champions that antedated the existence of the ECNL. Why do I care? Because teams and clubs respond to parental demands and keep switching leagues and diluting already relatively weak talent pools, all because parents are dumb enough to think their league makes their kid talented or the parents a little more prestigious. I would like my son to have the option to play really high quality travel soccer outside the DAs without spending scarce time needlessly flying up and down the east coast when they could play a full league schedule of highly talented teams in the DMV. So yes, the league obsession is dumb and adversely affects the rest of us who know something about the sport and who want their kids to both play high-quality soccer and do other things while they are in middle and high school. But feel free to waste your time checking team and club placements across tournaments.

You obviously care about it more than I do. I fell asleep halfway through your dissertation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Since every post here does not specify gender means for girls.

This is for BOYS.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=73243&Group=Boys_10

I noticed a lot of ECNL teams in the top brackets. That is interesting and shows in its third year, how far the ECNL has come.

I will say this again. Focus on the results, not the brackets. The brackets are simply somebody else's opinion. The results are not.

I'm confused...looking at brackets to see if they are competitive is important. You don't want to be in too competitive or two easy a bracket. A team manager can ask to move up or down. Focusing on results? I don't understand. If you are in too competitive a bracket, you get smoked. if you are in too low, you win. What do those results tell you? Someone brought up that they feel like the tournament director (or age group coordinator) put too much emphasis on some leagues such as ECNL. I actually 100% agree. You don't think that happens?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Since every post here does not specify gender means for girls.

This is for BOYS.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=73243&Group=Boys_10

I noticed a lot of ECNL teams in the top brackets. That is interesting and shows in its third year, how far the ECNL has come.

I will say this again. Focus on the results, not the brackets. The brackets are simply somebody else's opinion. The results are not.

Say it again. But while it's not perfect, no one in the top bracket belongs in the bottom and vice versa. It does have some meaning.

Meaning for what?

Meaning that the presence of the ECNL teams in the top brackets shows the ECNL has gained traction as a national league for boys.

Oh please. Grow up. Traction with the Richmond Strikers Tournament Director? Cue the applause. You think anybody cares? I am sure DCU is shaking in their boots as the migration begins to ECNL. Not.

You are talking about leagues, not teams or even clubs. Your son's development has almost nothing to do with whether a league gets some teams in some age groups in some brackets. That is the angle. i don't have an agenda other than trying to persuade people not to be dumb when thinking about their son's development.

Everyone talks about leagues. This forum is filled with it. You are making so much out of this. The truth is some leagues tend to attract better competition than others. That has been around since time immemorial. Leagues used to be more consolidated, but there has always been a difference.

So seeing what clubs are in the ECNL and how well overall that league is performing, it is interesting to see. This has nothing to do with any of my kids.

But for you to take it so personal, makes one wonder about where your son's team was placed.

Not at all. He plays top division in these tournaments. That is about his team, not him, not his club, and not his league. It could change any time. But many years ago, when he played up, he played lower divisions and we heard all the U10 parents crow about placements and leagues and similar garbage and knew most of their kids would be lapped in pretty short order. And they were. So yes, I agree the forum is filled with chitchat and rumormongering about leagues, along with a lot of other dreck. You think a good placement for BRYC or Loudoun or McLean in a certain year results from ECNL participation? Please. You must be new to travel soccer in this area. They have been around a long time. Not a guarantee of success. Goodness knows they have a number of really weak teams among them. But each of them also has a number of recent national champions that antedated the existence of the ECNL. Why do I care? Because teams and clubs respond to parental demands and keep switching leagues and diluting already relatively weak talent pools, all because parents are dumb enough to think their league makes their kid talented or the parents a little more prestigious. I would like my son to have the option to play really high quality travel soccer outside the DAs without spending scarce time needlessly flying up and down the east coast when they could play a full league schedule of highly talented teams in the DMV. So yes, the league obsession is dumb and adversely affects the rest of us who know something about the sport and who want their kids to both play high-quality soccer and do other things while they are in middle and high school. But feel free to waste your time checking team and club placements across tournaments.

You obviously care about it more than I do. I fell asleep halfway through your dissertation.

Reading more than a sentence at a time must be exhausting for you. I cannot imagine how you felt after writing two!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Since every post here does not specify gender means for girls.

This is for BOYS.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=73243&Group=Boys_10

I noticed a lot of ECNL teams in the top brackets. That is interesting and shows in its third year, how far the ECNL has come.

I will say this again. Focus on the results, not the brackets. The brackets are simply somebody else's opinion. The results are not.

I'm confused...looking at brackets to see if they are competitive is important. You don't want to be in too competitive or two easy a bracket. A team manager can ask to move up or down. Focusing on results? I don't understand. If you are in too competitive a bracket, you get smoked. if you are in too low, you win. What do those results tell you? Someone brought up that they feel like the tournament director (or age group coordinator) put too much emphasis on some leagues such as ECNL. I actually 100% agree. You don't think that happens?

Yes, that almost certainly happens (no reason to upset about it though), which is why I would not use bracket placement to judge how strong teams actually are. I would look at results (taking into account strength of competition) and development year over year. I also agree you want to get the brackets set as accurately as possible if you can. But even if the brackets are accurate, they won't tell you as much about the teams as the results from those games (I don't mean wins or losses, I mean the strength of wins and losses considering the competition). Youth soccer rankings already capture all of this pretty well and even better as teams accumulate and submit more data.

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Anonymous wrote:
Since every post here does not specify gender means for girls.

This is for BOYS.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=73243&Group=Boys_10

I noticed a lot of ECNL teams in the top brackets. That is interesting and shows in its third year, how far the ECNL has come.

I will say this again. Focus on the results, not the brackets. The brackets are simply somebody else's opinion. The results are not.

Say it again. But while it's not perfect, no one in the top bracket belongs in the bottom and vice versa. It does have some meaning.

Meaning for what?

Meaning that the presence of the ECNL teams in the top brackets shows the ECNL has gained traction as a national league for boys.

Oh please. Grow up. Traction with the Richmond Strikers Tournament Director? Cue the applause. You think anybody cares? I am sure DCU is shaking in their boots as the migration begins to ECNL. Not.

You are talking about leagues, not teams or even clubs. Your son's development has almost nothing to do with whether a league gets some teams in some age groups in some brackets. That is the angle. i don't have an agenda other than trying to persuade people not to be dumb when thinking about their son's development.

Everyone talks about leagues. This forum is filled with it. You are making so much out of this. The truth is some leagues tend to attract better competition than others. That has been around since time immemorial. Leagues used to be more consolidated, but there has always been a difference.

So seeing what clubs are in the ECNL and how well overall that league is performing, it is interesting to see. This has nothing to do with any of my kids.

But for you to take it so personal, makes one wonder about where your son's team was placed.

Not at all. He plays top division in these tournaments. That is about his team, not him, not his club, and not his league. It could change any time. But many years ago, when he played up, he played lower divisions and we heard all the U10 parents crow about placements and leagues and similar garbage and knew most of their kids would be lapped in pretty short order. And they were. So yes, I agree the forum is filled with chitchat and rumormongering about leagues, along with a lot of other dreck. You think a good placement for BRYC or Loudoun or McLean in a certain year results from ECNL participation? Please. You must be new to travel soccer in this area. They have been around a long time. Not a guarantee of success. Goodness knows they have a number of really weak teams among them. But each of them also has a number of recent national champions that antedated the existence of the ECNL. Why do I care? Because teams and clubs respond to parental demands and keep switching leagues and diluting already relatively weak talent pools, all because parents are dumb enough to think their league makes their kid talented or the parents a little more prestigious. I would like my son to have the option to play really high quality travel soccer outside the DAs without spending scarce time needlessly flying up and down the east coast when they could play a full league schedule of highly talented teams in the DMV. So yes, the league obsession is dumb and adversely affects the rest of us who know something about the sport and who want their kids to both play high-quality soccer and do other things while they are in middle and high school. But feel free to waste your time checking team and club placements across tournaments.

You obviously care about it more than I do. I fell asleep halfway through your dissertation.

Reading more than a sentence at a time must be exhausting for you. I cannot imagine how you felt after writing two!

Or you said nothing of value.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Since every post here does not specify gender means for girls.

This is for BOYS.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=73243&Group=Boys_10

I noticed a lot of ECNL teams in the top brackets. That is interesting and shows in its third year, how far the ECNL has come.

I will say this again. Focus on the results, not the brackets. The brackets are simply somebody else's opinion. The results are not.

Say it again. But while it's not perfect, no one in the top bracket belongs in the bottom and vice versa. It does have some meaning.

Meaning for what?

Meaning that the presence of the ECNL teams in the top brackets shows the ECNL has gained traction as a national league for boys.

Oh please. Grow up. Traction with the Richmond Strikers Tournament Director? Cue the applause. You think anybody cares? I am sure DCU is shaking in their boots as the migration begins to ECNL. Not.

You are talking about leagues, not teams or even clubs. Your son's development has almost nothing to do with whether a league gets some teams in some age groups in some brackets. That is the angle. i don't have an agenda other than trying to persuade people not to be dumb when thinking about their son's development.

Everyone talks about leagues. This forum is filled with it. You are making so much out of this. The truth is some leagues tend to attract better competition than others. That has been around since time immemorial. Leagues used to be more consolidated, but there has always been a difference.

So seeing what clubs are in the ECNL and how well overall that league is performing, it is interesting to see. This has nothing to do with any of my kids.

But for you to take it so personal, makes one wonder about where your son's team was placed.

Not at all. He plays top division in these tournaments. That is about his team, not him, not his club, and not his league. It could change any time. But many years ago, when he played up, he played lower divisions and we heard all the U10 parents crow about placements and leagues and similar garbage and knew most of their kids would be lapped in pretty short order. And they were. So yes, I agree the forum is filled with chitchat and rumormongering about leagues, along with a lot of other dreck. You think a good placement for BRYC or Loudoun or McLean in a certain year results from ECNL participation? Please. You must be new to travel soccer in this area. They have been around a long time. Not a guarantee of success. Goodness knows they have a number of really weak teams among them. But each of them also has a number of recent national champions that antedated the existence of the ECNL. Why do I care? Because teams and clubs respond to parental demands and keep switching leagues and diluting already relatively weak talent pools, all because parents are dumb enough to think their league makes their kid talented or the parents a little more prestigious. I would like my son to have the option to play really high quality travel soccer outside the DAs without spending scarce time needlessly flying up and down the east coast when they could play a full league schedule of highly talented teams in the DMV. So yes, the league obsession is dumb and adversely affects the rest of us who know something about the sport and who want their kids to both play high-quality soccer and do other things while they are in middle and high school. But feel free to waste your time checking team and club placements across tournaments.

You obviously care about it more than I do. I fell asleep halfway through your dissertation.

Reading more than a sentence at a time must be exhausting for you. I cannot imagine how you felt after writing two!

Or you said nothing of value.

If you were smarter, you would care more, or if you cared more, you might get smarter. But I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Since every post here does not specify gender means for girls.

This is for BOYS.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=73243&Group=Boys_10

I noticed a lot of ECNL teams in the top brackets. That is interesting and shows in its third year, how far the ECNL has come.

I will say this again. Focus on the results, not the brackets. The brackets are simply somebody else's opinion. The results are not.

Say it again. But while it's not perfect, no one in the top bracket belongs in the bottom and vice versa. It does have some meaning.

Meaning for what?

Meaning that the presence of the ECNL teams in the top brackets shows the ECNL has gained traction as a national league for boys.

Oh please. Grow up. Traction with the Richmond Strikers Tournament Director? Cue the applause. You think anybody cares? I am sure DCU is shaking in their boots as the migration begins to ECNL. Not.

You are talking about leagues, not teams or even clubs. Your son's development has almost nothing to do with whether a league gets some teams in some age groups in some brackets. That is the angle. i don't have an agenda other than trying to persuade people not to be dumb when thinking about their son's development.

Everyone talks about leagues. This forum is filled with it. You are making so much out of this. The truth is some leagues tend to attract better competition than others. That has been around since time immemorial. Leagues used to be more consolidated, but there has always been a difference.

So seeing what clubs are in the ECNL and how well overall that league is performing, it is interesting to see. This has nothing to do with any of my kids.

But for you to take it so personal, makes one wonder about where your son's team was placed.

Not at all. He plays top division in these tournaments. That is about his team, not him, not his club, and not his league. It could change any time. But many years ago, when he played up, he played lower divisions and we heard all the U10 parents crow about placements and leagues and similar garbage and knew most of their kids would be lapped in pretty short order. And they were. So yes, I agree the forum is filled with chitchat and rumormongering about leagues, along with a lot of other dreck. You think a good placement for BRYC or Loudoun or McLean in a certain year results from ECNL participation? Please. You must be new to travel soccer in this area. They have been around a long time. Not a guarantee of success. Goodness knows they have a number of really weak teams among them. But each of them also has a number of recent national champions that antedated the existence of the ECNL. Why do I care? Because teams and clubs respond to parental demands and keep switching leagues and diluting already relatively weak talent pools, all because parents are dumb enough to think their league makes their kid talented or the parents a little more prestigious. I would like my son to have the option to play really high quality travel soccer outside the DAs without spending scarce time needlessly flying up and down the east coast when they could play a full league schedule of highly talented teams in the DMV. So yes, the league obsession is dumb and adversely affects the rest of us who know something about the sport and who want their kids to both play high-quality soccer and do other things while they are in middle and high school. But feel free to waste your time checking team and club placements across tournaments.

You obviously care about it more than I do. I fell asleep halfway through your dissertation.

Reading more than a sentence at a time must be exhausting for you. I cannot imagine how you felt after writing two!

Or you said nothing of value.

Nice of you to lead the way. We can resort to acronyms if sentences and words are too taxing. Or you can go back to curing cancer or whatever extraordinary things you do for a living.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Since every post here does not specify gender means for girls.

This is for BOYS.

https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=73243&Group=Boys_10

I noticed a lot of ECNL teams in the top brackets. That is interesting and shows in its third year, how far the ECNL has come.

I will say this again. Focus on the results, not the brackets. The brackets are simply somebody else's opinion. The results are not.

Say it again. But while it's not perfect, no one in the top bracket belongs in the bottom and vice versa. It does have some meaning.

Meaning for what?

Meaning that the presence of the ECNL teams in the top brackets shows the ECNL has gained traction as a national league for boys.

Oh please. Grow up. Traction with the Richmond Strikers Tournament Director? Cue the applause. You think anybody cares? I am sure DCU is shaking in their boots as the migration begins to ECNL. Not.

You are talking about leagues, not teams or even clubs. Your son's development has almost nothing to do with whether a league gets some teams in some age groups in some brackets. That is the angle. i don't have an agenda other than trying to persuade people not to be dumb when thinking about their son's development.

Everyone talks about leagues. This forum is filled with it. You are making so much out of this. The truth is some leagues tend to attract better competition than others. That has been around since time immemorial. Leagues used to be more consolidated, but there has always been a difference.

So seeing what clubs are in the ECNL and how well overall that league is performing, it is interesting to see. This has nothing to do with any of my kids.

But for you to take it so personal, makes one wonder about where your son's team was placed.

Not at all. He plays top division in these tournaments. That is about his team, not him, not his club, and not his league. It could change any time. But many years ago, when he played up, he played lower divisions and we heard all the U10 parents crow about placements and leagues and similar garbage and knew most of their kids would be lapped in pretty short order. And they were. So yes, I agree the forum is filled with chitchat and rumormongering about leagues, along with a lot of other dreck. You think a good placement for BRYC or Loudoun or McLean in a certain year results from ECNL participation? Please. You must be new to travel soccer in this area. They have been around a long time. Not a guarantee of success. Goodness knows they have a number of really weak teams among them. But each of them also has a number of recent national champions that antedated the existence of the ECNL. Why do I care? Because teams and clubs respond to parental demands and keep switching leagues and diluting already relatively weak talent pools, all because parents are dumb enough to think their league makes their kid talented or the parents a little more prestigious. I would like my son to have the option to play really high quality travel soccer outside the DAs without spending scarce time needlessly flying up and down the east coast when they could play a full league schedule of highly talented teams in the DMV. So yes, the league obsession is dumb and adversely affects the rest of us who know something about the sport and who want their kids to both play high-quality soccer and do other things while they are in middle and high school. But feel free to waste your time checking team and club placements across tournaments.

You obviously care about it more than I do. I fell asleep halfway through your dissertation.

Reading more than a sentence at a time must be exhausting for you. I cannot imagine how you felt after writing two!

Or you said nothing of value.

Nice of you to lead the way. We can resort to acronyms if sentences and words are too taxing. Or you can go back to curing cancer or whatever extraordinary things you do for a living.

Whatever floats your boat. You don't value leagues and how they operate. The USL, Premier League and Bundesliga are all the same to you. To most, they are not.