Why does DCPS let in OOB students when classes are already crowded?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here, thanks for the clarification. Though on the subject of 25 being OK to low for a 2nd grade class, that seems inconsistent with the WTU contract I see that lists (pg 78) 20 as the maximum size class for grades K-2. At 3rd it bumps up to 25.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/WTU-DCPS%20Contract%202016-2019.pdf

Right but there are a lot of exceptions in the contract. This doesn't violate it, and it isn't unusual. My kid's K class at ITS has 24.

[Anonymous]

At this point there should be a discussion of what's "technically overcrowded" vs. what's "really overcrowded."

I'll throw out that I think 32 students in a class, third though twelve, would be really overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point there should be a discussion of what's "technically overcrowded" vs. what's "really overcrowded."

I'll throw out that I think 32 students in a class, third though twelve, would be really overcrowded.

Depends on: Square footage, number of teachers, number of aides, difficulty of kids.

[Anonymous]

Why?

Politics, DC-style, sliced and diced by race, SES, geography, ward. That's why.

[Anonymous]

Dirty truth about OOB students? They're great for funding and they don't show. Just don't fail them and nobody is the wiser.

Liberal DC is great isn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They do it to get the funding. It covers a lot of stuff that you probably like.

You're never going to have 18, that is wasteful and less than the teaching contract agrees to.

It’s a zero sum game though. Overcrowding WOTP pulls money away from EOTP schools. Half the OOB students in our WOTP school are white with highly educated parents. They should be at their homes schools. It’s total madness.

[Anonymous]

New question: why does dcps refuse to change boundaries to adress over crowding??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New question: why does dcps refuse to change boundaries to adress over crowding??

Good grief. Are you new here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They do it to get the funding. It covers a lot of stuff that you probably like.

You're never going to have 18, that is wasteful and less than the teaching contract agrees to.

It’s a zero sum game though. Overcrowding WOTP pulls money away from EOTP schools. Half the OOB students in our WOTP school are white with highly educated parents. They should be at their homes schools. It’s total madness.

Don’t have the players, hate the game.

U til and unless there is an at risk preference, anyone of any race is allowed to enter the lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They do it to get the funding. It covers a lot of stuff that you probably like.

You're never going to have 18, that is wasteful and less than the teaching contract agrees to.

It’s a zero sum game though. Overcrowding WOTP pulls money away from EOTP schools. Half the OOB students in our WOTP school are white with highly educated parents. They should be at their homes schools. It’s total madness.

Don’t have the players, hate the game.

U til and unless there is an at risk preference, anyone of any race is allowed to enter the lottery.

This. Plus these highly educated parents might not have any desire to fix their in boundary school. It's not like their only options are WOTP school or crappy EOTP school. They took the option they felt is best. Besides, you have no idea why each family made this decision. Your school might offer something their child needs that isn't offered anywhere else, or there might be something their in boundary school fails to provide but yours does, for example specific SPED resources.

If the administration deems that there's space and/or wants the extra funding, then it's allowable. DCPS is paid for by tax dollars. If a spot is offered to another DC taxpayer, then they have a right to take it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here, thanks for the clarification. Though on the subject of 25 being OK to low for a 2nd grade class, that seems inconsistent with the WTU contract I see that lists (pg 78) 20 as the maximum size class for grades K-2. At 3rd it bumps up to 25.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/WTU-DCPS%20Contract%202016-2019.pdf

Right but there are a lot of exceptions in the contract. This doesn't violate it, and it isn't unusual. My kid's K class at ITS has 24.

our teachers at ITS don't operate under the WTU contract, right? And ITS classes have at least two staff, as far as I can tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here, thanks for the clarification. Though on the subject of 25 being OK to low for a 2nd grade class, that seems inconsistent with the WTU contract I see that lists (pg 78) 20 as the maximum size class for grades K-2. At 3rd it bumps up to 25.

https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/WTU-DCPS%20Contract%202016-2019.pdf

Right but there are a lot of exceptions in the contract. This doesn't violate it, and it isn't unusual. My kid's K class at ITS has 24.

our teachers at ITS don't operate under the WTU contract, right? And ITS classes have at least two staff, as far as I can tell.

True. But still, 24 has been fine for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They do it to get the funding. It covers a lot of stuff that you probably like.

You're never going to have 18, that is wasteful and less than the teaching contract agrees to.

It’s a zero sum game though. Overcrowding WOTP pulls money away from EOTP schools. Half the OOB students in our WOTP school are white with highly educated parents. They should be at their homes schools. It’s total madness.

Don’t have the players, hate the game.

U til and unless there is an at risk preference, anyone of any race is allowed to enter the lottery.

This. Plus these highly educated parents might not have any desire to fix their in boundary school. It's not like their only options are WOTP school or crappy EOTP school. They took the option they felt is best. Besides, you have no idea why each family made this decision. Your school might offer something their child needs that isn't offered anywhere else, or there might be something their in boundary school fails to provide but yours does, for example specific SPED resources.

If the administration deems that there's space and/or wants the extra funding, then it's allowable. DCPS is paid for by tax dollars. If a spot is offered to another DC taxpayer, then they have a right to take it.

Allowable does not mean it’s a good idea. DCPS is ripe with many allowable bad ideas.

[Anonymous]

City wide lottery!!! Problem solved!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:City wide lottery!!! Problem solved!!

And giant new problems created!!!!