Montgomery county's new SJ program

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being announced today by the council. How wil it impact schools? Sounds like they want equality if outcome really badly

It's about equity - not equality. There is a fundamental difference.

It's not about lowering standards, watering anything down, or whatever other euphemisms you'd like to use. It's about meeting kids where they are and ensuring everyone is supported and successful.

Well, that's never going to happen. This types of silly initiatives are deflecting attention from the real problems MCPS us facing

Real problems, like what? Kids not being met where they are? Not everyone being supported and successful? Those seem like real problems to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being announced today by the council. How wil it impact schools? Sounds like they want equality if outcome really badly

It's about equity - not equality. There is a fundamental difference.

It's not about lowering standards, watering anything down, or whatever other euphemisms you'd like to use. It's about meeting kids where they are and ensuring everyone is supported and successful.

Except that’s not really what MCPD wants to do.

If they really wanted to ‘meet kids where they are’, there would be more focus on demonstrating improvement for kids of ALL races and ALL abilities.

Instead, MCPS has made it clear that it wants to focus on the Achievement Gap and making sure certain groups of students perform ‘better’.

MCPS doesn’t care about everyone being supported. If it really wanted to create a better learning environment for ALL students, it wouldn’t be supporting these useless Restorative Justice initiatives and would implement a true disciplinary policy that ensures kids who violate behavioral policies were actually given negative consequences.

[Anonymous]

MCPS not MCPD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being announced today by the council. How wil it impact schools? Sounds like they want equality if outcome really badly

It's about equity - not equality. There is a fundamental difference.

It's not about lowering standards, watering anything down, or whatever other euphemisms you'd like to use. It's about meeting kids where they are and ensuring everyone is supported and successful.

Except that’s not really what MCPD wants to do.

If they really wanted to ‘meet kids where they are’, there would be more focus on demonstrating improvement for kids of ALL races and ALL abilities.

Instead, MCPS has made it clear that it wants to focus on the Achievement Gap and making sure certain groups of students perform ‘better’.

MCPS doesn’t care about everyone being supported. If it really wanted to create a better learning environment for ALL students, it wouldn’t be supporting these useless Restorative Justice initiatives and would implement a true disciplinary policy that ensures kids who violate behavioral policies were actually given negative consequences.

Alternatively, MCPS does care, but MCPS doesn't think that your ideas are effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being announced today by the council. How wil it impact schools? Sounds like they want equality if outcome really badly

It's about equity - not equality. There is a fundamental difference.

It's not about lowering standards, watering anything down, or whatever other euphemisms you'd like to use. It's about meeting kids where they are and ensuring everyone is supported and successful.

Except that’s not really what MCPD wants to do.

If they really wanted to ‘meet kids where they are’, there would be more focus on demonstrating improvement for kids of ALL races and ALL abilities.

Instead, MCPS has made it clear that it wants to focus on the Achievement Gap and making sure certain groups of students perform ‘better’.

MCPS doesn’t care about everyone being supported. If it really wanted to create a better learning environment for ALL students, it wouldn’t be supporting these useless Restorative Justice initiatives and would implement a true disciplinary policy that ensures kids who violate behavioral policies were actually given negative consequences.

What baffles me is that MCPS has the data to approach this from a "growth" perspective but stubbornly chooses to approach it from a "gap" perspective.

Every kid in MCPS is massively tracked and constantly evaluated. So, why are they not using that enormous amount of data to set goals that would actually meet the needs of kids? It makes much more sense to try to see improvement at the individual level rather than the population level, as the individual level is the only one that truly matters.

If my white child is struggling, it doesn't matter that white kids do well as a population. It matters that my child is not learning. Ditto any other child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being announced today by the council. How wil it impact schools? Sounds like they want equality if outcome really badly

It's about equity - not equality. There is a fundamental difference.

It's not about lowering standards, watering anything down, or whatever other euphemisms you'd like to use. It's about meeting kids where they are and ensuring everyone is supported and successful.

Well, that's never going to happen. This types of silly initiatives are deflecting attention from the real problems MCPS us facing

Real problems, like what? Kids not being met where they are? Not everyone being supported and successful? Those seem like real problems to me.

MCPS has been trying to close the gap for how many years now? And what has it resulted in? some kids still doing poorly and brighter kids not being challenged. MCPS has been meeting some populations where they are by providing free meals, free clothes, free medical care, extra classes, but none of this is working and it is impacting other populations. it would be fantastic if these dollars would go to hiring more teachers. Smaller classrooms will benefit all. how about more classes to challenge brighter kids?? Not the dumbed down versions of honors classes we have today where 75% of the grade is in them. Bring back tracking so that all the kids in a classroom have a chance to move at the same.pace. how about more extracurricular activities? face it, some kids are not destined for success as you and I envision it. And as outsiders, we can't fix what is going on at home. There are some problems that MCPS will never be able to fix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

MCPS has been trying to close the gap for how many years now? And what has it resulted in? some kids still doing poorly and brighter kids not being challenged. MCPS has been meeting some populations where they are by providing free meals, free clothes, free medical care, extra classes, but none of this is working and it is impacting other populations. it would be fantastic if these dollars would go to hiring more teachers. Smaller classrooms will benefit all. how about more classes to challenge brighter kids?? Not the dumbed down versions of honors classes we have today where 75% of the grade is in them. Bring back tracking so that all the kids in a classroom have a chance to move at the same.pace. how about more extracurricular activities? face it, some kids are not destined for success as you and I envision it. And as outsiders, we can't fix what is going on at home. There are some problems that MCPS will never be able to fix.

You're saying that, based on what? The argument seems to be: MCPS tried x, y, and z, and it didn't solve the a big, complex, societal problem completely, so MCPS should just stop doing all of those things. (What free clothes and free medical care is MCPS providing, by the way?)

"Some kids are not destined for success" is what people say about the kids of those people - you know, them. I could say the same with equal validity about your kids - my kids are doing fine in school, so if yours aren't, I guess they're just not destined for success, sorry. Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What baffles me is that MCPS has the data to approach this from a "growth" perspective but stubbornly chooses to approach it from a "gap" perspective.

Every kid in MCPS is massively tracked and constantly evaluated. So, why are they not using that enormous amount of data to set goals that would actually meet the needs of kids? It makes much more sense to try to see improvement at the individual level rather than the population level, as the individual level is the only one that truly matters.

If my white child is struggling, it doesn't matter that white kids do well as a population. It matters that my child is not learning. Ditto any other child.

Actually it does. It may not matter to you individually, but it definitely matters to the school system, and to society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social justice is racism by holding certain groups to lower standards

That ain't it, chief.

'Chief' is racist, oh un-woke one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social justice is racism by holding certain groups to lower standards

That ain't it, chief.

'Chief' is racist, oh un-woke one.

No, it's not. Cut it out.

[Anonymous]

If MCPS wants to meet kids where they are, and if what is being proposed will truly work (cough, cough), the achievement gap will not close until current kindergartners graduate from high school. Because the county needs to meet high achievers where they are just like they have to meet low achievers where they are if they are going to be truly equitable.

[Anonymous]

Nobody will be able to learn in clas die to disruptions so they can’t indoctrinate but everyone will wind up on welfare so they’ll be loyal democrats . So bad for the tax base

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social justice is racism by holding certain groups to lower standards

That ain't it, chief.

'Chief' is racist, oh un-woke one.

No, it's not. Cut it out.

Youre being jive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being announced today by the council. How wil it impact schools? Sounds like they want equality if outcome really badly

It's about equity - not equality. There is a fundamental difference.

It's not about lowering standards, watering anything down, or whatever other euphemisms you'd like to use. It's about meeting kids where they are and ensuring everyone is supported and successful.

Except that’s not really what MCPD wants to do.

If they really wanted to ‘meet kids where they are’, there would be more focus on demonstrating improvement for kids of ALL races and ALL abilities.

Instead, MCPS has made it clear that it wants to focus on the Achievement Gap and making sure certain groups of students perform ‘better’.

MCPS doesn’t care about everyone being supported. If it really wanted to create a better learning environment for ALL students, it wouldn’t be supporting these useless Restorative Justice initiatives and would implement a true disciplinary policy that ensures kids who violate behavioral policies were actually given negative consequences.

What baffles me is that MCPS has the data to approach this from a "growth" perspective but stubbornly chooses to approach it from a "gap" perspective.

Every kid in MCPS is massively tracked and constantly evaluated. So, why are they not using that enormous amount of data to set goals that would actually meet the needs of kids? It makes much more sense to try to see improvement at the individual level rather than the population level, as the individual level is the only one that truly matters.

If my white child is struggling, it doesn't matter that white kids do well as a population. It matters that my child is not learning. Ditto any other child.

This +1 million

Not all Latino kids are the same. Not all Asian kids are the same. By pumping them together and focusing on race, MCPS is doing ALL kids a disservice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Awesome. Should be an amazing success.

Just like when Nancy Navarro turned Rockville into a Destination with her professional soccer team taking over Richard Montgomery High School!