World University Rankings 2020

[Anonymous]

Penn State at 78 beats both UMCP and UVA. Their admission standards are very low. These scores don't tell you as much about the undergraduate quality of the university.

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Anonymous wrote:Rank Name/Country No. of Students No. of Students per Staff International Students Female-Male Ratio

1 University of Oxford United Kingdom 20,664 11.2 41% 46 : 54
2 California Institute of Technology United States 2,240 6.4 30% 34 : 66
3 University of Cambridge United Kingdom 18,978 10.9 37% 47 : 53
4 Stanford University United States 16,135 7.3 23% 43 : 57
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology United States 11,247 8.6 34% 39 : 61
6 Princeton University United States 7,983 8.1 25% 45 : 55
7 Harvard University United States 20,823 9.2 24% 49 : 51
8 Yale University United States 12,402 5.4 20% 50 : 50
9 University of Chicago United States 13,833 5.7 28% 46 : 54
10 Imperial College London United Kingdom 16,760 11.7 56% 38 : 62
11 University of Pennsylvania United States 20,578 6.5 21% 52 : 48
12 Johns Hopkins University United States 16,171 4.5 26% 52 : 48
=13 University of California, Berkeley United States 41,081 13.7 17% 50 : 50
=13 ETH Zurich Switzerland 18,956 12.5 39% 32 : 68
15 UCL United Kingdom 32,665 10.6 52% 57 : 43
16 Columbia University United States 26,586 5.8 37% n/a
17 University of California, Los Angeles United States 41,066 9.4 17% 54 : 46
18 University of Toronto Canada 73,370 20.1 21% 59 : 41
19 Cornell University United States 22,319 9.8 25% 49 : 51
20 Duke University United States 15,309 4.3 19% 49 : 51
21 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor United States 42,982 8.3 17% 49 : 51
22 Northwestern University United States 17,951 12.8 20% 49 : 51
23 Tsinghua University China 38,783 12.0 11% 34 : 66
24 Peking University China 39,575 11.5 15% 46 : 54
25 National University of Singapore Singapore 30,869 17.9 28% 51 : 49

91 University of Maryland United States 33,108 16.6 11% 48:52

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

I bet that in 10 years US universities will be less than half than those Top 25, perhaps as low as a third.

I highly doubt it but why do you think so? There is no other country that can beat research US Univs put out.

1) True, there's no other one country....yet. China will rival the US sooner than you think.

2) Research is mostly relevant at the grad level. For undergrad, univs abroad offer more value at lower costs and with fewer dumb distractions.

3) Notice that there are already 8 foreign univs there

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rank Name/Country No. of Students No. of Students per Staff International Students Female-Male Ratio

1 University of Oxford United Kingdom 20,664 11.2 41% 46 : 54
2 California Institute of Technology United States 2,240 6.4 30% 34 : 66
3 University of Cambridge United Kingdom 18,978 10.9 37% 47 : 53
4 Stanford University United States 16,135 7.3 23% 43 : 57
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology United States 11,247 8.6 34% 39 : 61
6 Princeton University United States 7,983 8.1 25% 45 : 55
7 Harvard University United States 20,823 9.2 24% 49 : 51
8 Yale University United States 12,402 5.4 20% 50 : 50
9 University of Chicago United States 13,833 5.7 28% 46 : 54
10 Imperial College London United Kingdom 16,760 11.7 56% 38 : 62
11 University of Pennsylvania United States 20,578 6.5 21% 52 : 48
12 Johns Hopkins University United States 16,171 4.5 26% 52 : 48
=13 University of California, Berkeley United States 41,081 13.7 17% 50 : 50
=13 ETH Zurich Switzerland 18,956 12.5 39% 32 : 68
15 UCL United Kingdom 32,665 10.6 52% 57 : 43
16 Columbia University United States 26,586 5.8 37% n/a
17 University of California, Los Angeles United States 41,066 9.4 17% 54 : 46
18 University of Toronto Canada 73,370 20.1 21% 59 : 41
19 Cornell University United States 22,319 9.8 25% 49 : 51
20 Duke University United States 15,309 4.3 19% 49 : 51
21 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor United States 42,982 8.3 17% 49 : 51
22 Northwestern University United States 17,951 12.8 20% 49 : 51
23 Tsinghua University China 38,783 12.0 11% 34 : 66
24 Peking University China 39,575 11.5 15% 46 : 54
25 National University of Singapore Singapore 30,869 17.9 28% 51 : 49

91 University of Maryland United States 33,108 16.6 11% 48:52

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

I bet that in 10 years US universities will be less than half than those Top 25, perhaps as low as a third.

I highly doubt it but why do you think so? There is no other country that can beat research US Univs put out.

1) True, there's no other one country....yet. China will rival the US sooner than you think.

2) Research is mostly relevant at the grad level. For undergrad, univs abroad offer more value at lower costs and with fewer dumb distractions.

3) Notice that there are already 8 foreign univs there

And that may not be a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Penn State at 78 beats both UMCP and UVA. Their admission standards are very low. These scores don't tell you as much about the undergraduate quality of the university.

Admissions scores are an input. They don't really tell us anything about the quality of the university, itself. Even with lower student standardized tests, the professors could be great, the courses could be terrifically informative and interesting, the school could have oodles of resources, and the research could be top notch. I wouldn't discount cohort as being completely unimportant but it is just one of several indicators of quality.

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Anonymous wrote:Rank Name/Country No. of Students No. of Students per Staff International Students Female-Male Ratio

1 University of Oxford United Kingdom 20,664 11.2 41% 46 : 54
2 California Institute of Technology United States 2,240 6.4 30% 34 : 66
3 University of Cambridge United Kingdom 18,978 10.9 37% 47 : 53
4 Stanford University United States 16,135 7.3 23% 43 : 57
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology United States 11,247 8.6 34% 39 : 61
6 Princeton University United States 7,983 8.1 25% 45 : 55
7 Harvard University United States 20,823 9.2 24% 49 : 51
8 Yale University United States 12,402 5.4 20% 50 : 50
9 University of Chicago United States 13,833 5.7 28% 46 : 54
10 Imperial College London United Kingdom 16,760 11.7 56% 38 : 62
11 University of Pennsylvania United States 20,578 6.5 21% 52 : 48
12 Johns Hopkins University United States 16,171 4.5 26% 52 : 48
=13 University of California, Berkeley United States 41,081 13.7 17% 50 : 50
=13 ETH Zurich Switzerland 18,956 12.5 39% 32 : 68
15 UCL United Kingdom 32,665 10.6 52% 57 : 43
16 Columbia University United States 26,586 5.8 37% n/a
17 University of California, Los Angeles United States 41,066 9.4 17% 54 : 46
18 University of Toronto Canada 73,370 20.1 21% 59 : 41
19 Cornell University United States 22,319 9.8 25% 49 : 51
20 Duke University United States 15,309 4.3 19% 49 : 51
21 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor United States 42,982 8.3 17% 49 : 51
22 Northwestern University United States 17,951 12.8 20% 49 : 51
23 Tsinghua University China 38,783 12.0 11% 34 : 66
24 Peking University China 39,575 11.5 15% 46 : 54
25 National University of Singapore Singapore 30,869 17.9 28% 51 : 49

91 University of Maryland United States 33,108 16.6 11% 48:52

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

I bet that in 10 years US universities will be less than half than those Top 25, perhaps as low as a third.

I highly doubt it but why do you think so? There is no other country that can beat research US Univs put out.

1) True, there's no other one country....yet. China will rival the US sooner than you think.

2) Research is mostly relevant at the grad level. For undergrad, univs abroad offer more value at lower costs and with fewer dumb distractions.

3) Notice that there are already 8 foreign univs there

And that may not be a bad thing.

Actually I think it would be good for everyone.

May even help contain crazy admin bureaucracies and tuition fees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rank Name/Country No. of Students No. of Students per Staff International Students Female-Male Ratio

1 University of Oxford United Kingdom 20,664 11.2 41% 46 : 54
2 California Institute of Technology United States 2,240 6.4 30% 34 : 66
3 University of Cambridge United Kingdom 18,978 10.9 37% 47 : 53
4 Stanford University United States 16,135 7.3 23% 43 : 57
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology United States 11,247 8.6 34% 39 : 61
6 Princeton University United States 7,983 8.1 25% 45 : 55
7 Harvard University United States 20,823 9.2 24% 49 : 51
8 Yale University United States 12,402 5.4 20% 50 : 50
9 University of Chicago United States 13,833 5.7 28% 46 : 54
10 Imperial College London United Kingdom 16,760 11.7 56% 38 : 62
11 University of Pennsylvania United States 20,578 6.5 21% 52 : 48
12 Johns Hopkins University United States 16,171 4.5 26% 52 : 48
=13 University of California, Berkeley United States 41,081 13.7 17% 50 : 50
=13 ETH Zurich Switzerland 18,956 12.5 39% 32 : 68
15 UCL United Kingdom 32,665 10.6 52% 57 : 43
16 Columbia University United States 26,586 5.8 37% n/a
17 University of California, Los Angeles United States 41,066 9.4 17% 54 : 46
18 University of Toronto Canada 73,370 20.1 21% 59 : 41
19 Cornell University United States 22,319 9.8 25% 49 : 51
20 Duke University United States 15,309 4.3 19% 49 : 51
21 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor United States 42,982 8.3 17% 49 : 51
22 Northwestern University United States 17,951 12.8 20% 49 : 51
23 Tsinghua University China 38,783 12.0 11% 34 : 66
24 Peking University China 39,575 11.5 15% 46 : 54
25 National University of Singapore Singapore 30,869 17.9 28% 51 : 49

91 University of Maryland United States 33,108 16.6 11% 48:52

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

Quick check shows the male to female ratio seems to be off.

[Anonymous]

No German or Dutch schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rank Name/Country No. of Students No. of Students per Staff International Students Female-Male Ratio

1 University of Oxford United Kingdom 20,664 11.2 41% 46 : 54
2 California Institute of Technology United States 2,240 6.4 30% 34 : 66
3 University of Cambridge United Kingdom 18,978 10.9 37% 47 : 53
4 Stanford University United States 16,135 7.3 23% 43 : 57
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology United States 11,247 8.6 34% 39 : 61
6 Princeton University United States 7,983 8.1 25% 45 : 55
7 Harvard University United States 20,823 9.2 24% 49 : 51
8 Yale University United States 12,402 5.4 20% 50 : 50
9 University of Chicago United States 13,833 5.7 28% 46 : 54
10 Imperial College London United Kingdom 16,760 11.7 56% 38 : 62
11 University of Pennsylvania United States 20,578 6.5 21% 52 : 48
12 Johns Hopkins University United States 16,171 4.5 26% 52 : 48
=13 University of California, Berkeley United States 41,081 13.7 17% 50 : 50
=13 ETH Zurich Switzerland 18,956 12.5 39% 32 : 68
15 UCL United Kingdom 32,665 10.6 52% 57 : 43
16 Columbia University United States 26,586 5.8 37% n/a
17 University of California, Los Angeles United States 41,066 9.4 17% 54 : 46
18 University of Toronto Canada 73,370 20.1 21% 59 : 41
19 Cornell University United States 22,319 9.8 25% 49 : 51
20 Duke University United States 15,309 4.3 19% 49 : 51
21 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor United States 42,982 8.3 17% 49 : 51
22 Northwestern University United States 17,951 12.8 20% 49 : 51
23 Tsinghua University China 38,783 12.0 11% 34 : 66
24 Peking University China 39,575 11.5 15% 46 : 54
25 National University of Singapore Singapore 30,869 17.9 28% 51 : 49

91 University of Maryland United States 33,108 16.6 11% 48:52

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

I bet that in 10 years US universities will be less than half than those Top 25, perhaps as low as a third.

I highly doubt it but why do you think so? There is no other country that can beat research US Univs put out.

1) True, there's no other one country....yet. China will rival the US sooner than you think.

2) Research is mostly relevant at the grad level. For undergrad, univs abroad offer more value at lower costs and with fewer dumb distractions.

3) Notice that there are already 8 foreign univs there

That's primariliy because the Chinese Technical Espionage curriculum and program wildly surpasses ours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am curious about this ranking and USNWR ranking for percentage of international students. If you compare both lists you will see that the numbers are very different. It would seem that the numbers are being manipulated somewhere.

College % International USNWR. % International Times Higher Education

Stanford. 10%. 23%
NYU. 20%. 33%
MIT. 10%. 34%
Columbia. 16%. 37%
Princeton. 12%. 25%
Northwestern. 9%. 20%
Yale 11%. 20%
Michigan. 7%. 17%
Chicago. 14%. 28%
Brown. 11%. 20%
Penn. 13%. 21%
Cornell. 16%. 25%
Boston University. 21%. 27%
Emory. 16%. 20%
Georgetown. 14%. 18%
Tufts. 11%. 16%
Northeastern. 18%. 35%
Rochester. 27%. 31%

I guess the more international students the more the boost in money and rankings
Brandeis. 20% 27%

USNWR is undergrad only. Times may be overall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about this ranking and USNWR ranking for percentage of international students. If you compare both lists you will see that the numbers are very different. It would seem that the numbers are being manipulated somewhere.

College % International USNWR. % International Times Higher Education

Stanford. 10%. 23%
NYU. 20%. 33%
MIT. 10%. 34%
Columbia. 16%. 37%
Princeton. 12%. 25%
Northwestern. 9%. 20%
Yale 11%. 20%
Michigan. 7%. 17%
Chicago. 14%. 28%
Brown. 11%. 20%
Penn. 13%. 21%
Cornell. 16%. 25%
Boston University. 21%. 27%
Emory. 16%. 20%
Georgetown. 14%. 18%
Tufts. 11%. 16%
Northeastern. 18%. 35%
Rochester. 27%. 31%

I guess the more international students the more the boost in money and rankings
Brandeis. 20% 27%

I would imagine USNWR has a US bent to it, while clearly, the Times ranking doesn't. It has truly a global view.

Well, it seems to overstate UK universities (Oxbridge) in my view.

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There are multiple world university rankings now, BTW.

At an undergraduate or even graduate level, the comparison doesn't really make sense for many people. If you are working to get qualified in a field in a country, you'll want to go to an institution that will help you achieve that qualification. UK accounting differs from US accounting. You get your law degree as your first degree in the UK and as a graduate degree in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cue the U Chicago bashers...

Chicago has lost its bashing attraction vis a vis Michigan and Notre Dame.

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Anonymous wrote:Penn State at 78 beats both UMCP and UVA. Their admission standards are very low. These scores don't tell you as much about the undergraduate quality of the university.

UVA's achilles heel has been and continues to be quantity and quality of research and publications in STEM (minus medicine).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No German or Dutch schools?

Yes in the top 50.

Also some Indian schools there, which is an even more obvious gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are multiple world university rankings now, BTW.

At an undergraduate or even graduate level, the comparison doesn't really make sense for many people. If you are working to get qualified in a field in a country, you'll want to go to an institution that will help you achieve that qualification. UK accounting differs from US accounting. You get your law degree as your first degree in the UK and as a graduate degree in the US.

True, but Swiss or German or Indian or Chinese engineering or computer science or math is probably equal to us if not better.