White privilege and asian-bashing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll add that one mom who used to coordinate the spelling bee every year dropped out because it had been taken over by others so what is the point. It is pretty blatant.

Define "Taken Over" and "Blatant".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'll add that one mom who used to coordinate the spelling bee every year dropped out because it had been taken over by others so what is the point. It is pretty blatant.


She has the right to stop participating.

Yes she has the right to stop participating. It is still racist though to not want to run an event because the white kids are no longer winning the awards.

She said that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Hmm. You are linking the de-stressing of school to a push-back against Asian families, but I’m not sure it’s the case.

Where I live there have been suicides in middle and high schools (due to stress), and the school district has responded by eliminating HW in elementary school, and reducing it in middle school.

I don’t believe it has anything to do with Asian students. Your post felt disingenuous to me.

OP here again. I'm linking them because the people making these statements are linking it. They will make statements like:

-Our community is changing. While we like the new diversity, we will not tolerate the intense pressure being placed on students to succeed. Please remember that they are only children once. Grades do not matter as much as you think they matter. Everyone does not need to go to the best possible school. Everyone shouldn't get As or top scores on the SAT.

It was adding the sentence about this being the changing community and the diversity comment that made everyone know who the principal was talking about in terms of pressure.

I have heard several math teachers complain that regular smart kids just can't keep up with kids that go to outside math tutoring two hours a day and then refer specifically to tiger moms. I have heard them complain and make comments about spelling bee winners like- of course you will win if you are forced to study hours a day, its not fair that the truly talented kids are being left behind.

They're right. Kids shouldn't be doing that. Elementary school math never needs that.

[Anonymous]

I have heard several math teachers complain that regular smart kids just can't keep up with kids that go to outside math tutoring two hours a day and then refer specifically to tiger moms. I have heard them complain and make comments about spelling bee winners like- of course you will win if you are forced to study hours a day, its not fair that the truly talented kids are being left behind.


They're right. Kids shouldn't be doing that. Elementary school math never needs that.

Its a parent right to choose whatever they think is best for their kid. It is fine not to send your kid to math tutoring for 2 hours every night. You can't complain though when the kid going to 2 hours of math tutoring has better skills than your kid. Your kid does not deserve to be at the top or win the award if the kid sitting next to him has better skills.

We seem to be perfectly fine with this in athletics. No one complains when the star athlete practices two hours every day. In fact, we idolize him and shower him with praise for talent and hard work. Academics? No this seems to be the land of white privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah,well,you know,this is how the white elites started reacting to Jewish success too.

Yup.

And incredibly many of those Jewish Americans now support racial discrimination vs. Asian Americans.

What de Blasio is doing in NY is truly shameful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I have heard several math teachers complain that regular smart kids just can't keep up with kids that go to outside math tutoring two hours a day and then refer specifically to tiger moms. I have heard them complain and make comments about spelling bee winners like- of course you will win if you are forced to study hours a day, its not fair that the truly talented kids are being left behind.


They're right. Kids shouldn't be doing that. Elementary school math never needs that.

Its a parent right to choose whatever they think is best for their kid. It is fine not to send your kid to math tutoring for 2 hours every night. You can't complain though when the kid going to 2 hours of math tutoring has better skills than your kid. Your kid does not deserve to be at the top or win the award if the kid sitting next to him has better skills.

We seem to be perfectly fine with this in athletics. No one complains when the star athlete practices two hours every day. In fact, we idolize him and shower him with praise for talent and hard work. Academics? No this seems to be the land of white privilege.

No. The point of elementary school math is to prepare for high school math, college math, and a job. Not to stress children or to win awards.

I'm not complaining about my children not winning awards. I'm complaining about the pressure, the inappropriate unnecessary pressure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah,well,you know,this is how the white elites started reacting to Jewish success too.

Yup.

And incredibly many of those Jewish Americans now support racial discrimination vs. Asian Americans.

What de Blasio is doing in NY is truly shameful.

Disagree. He's thinking. Maybe it's a good solution, maybe a bad one, but change needs to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I have heard several math teachers complain that regular smart kids just can't keep up with kids that go to outside math tutoring two hours a day and then refer specifically to tiger moms. I have heard them complain and make comments about spelling bee winners like- of course you will win if you are forced to study hours a day, its not fair that the truly talented kids are being left behind.


They're right. Kids shouldn't be doing that. Elementary school math never needs that.

Its a parent right to choose whatever they think is best for their kid. It is fine not to send your kid to math tutoring for 2 hours every night. You can't complain though when the kid going to 2 hours of math tutoring has better skills than your kid. Your kid does not deserve to be at the top or win the award if the kid sitting next to him has better skills.

We seem to be perfectly fine with this in athletics. No one complains when the star athlete practices two hours every day. In fact, we idolize him and shower him with praise for talent and hard work. Academics? No this seems to be the land of white privilege.

No. The point of elementary school math is to prepare for high school math, college math, and a job. Not to stress children or to win awards.

I'm not complaining about my children not winning awards. I'm complaining about the pressure, the inappropriate unnecessary pressure.

Who are you to say what the point is?!? You can choose the point for your own children, not those of others.
If my child wants to do competitive math, or robotics, or chess, or gymnastics, or violin, or spelling, who are you to tell them it's wrong?!?

Please accept that children have different inclinations, and that it's not inherently wrong to encourage them to work hard and be successful at something.
If you, as an outside observer, feels pressure from this, then you need to modify your attitude, not me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I have heard several math teachers complain that regular smart kids just can't keep up with kids that go to outside math tutoring two hours a day and then refer specifically to tiger moms. I have heard them complain and make comments about spelling bee winners like- of course you will win if you are forced to study hours a day, its not fair that the truly talented kids are being left behind.


They're right. Kids shouldn't be doing that. Elementary school math never needs that.

Its a parent right to choose whatever they think is best for their kid. It is fine not to send your kid to math tutoring for 2 hours every night. You can't complain though when the kid going to 2 hours of math tutoring has better skills than your kid. Your kid does not deserve to be at the top or win the award if the kid sitting next to him has better skills.

We seem to be perfectly fine with this in athletics. No one complains when the star athlete practices two hours every day. In fact, we idolize him and shower him with praise for talent and hard work. Academics? No this seems to be the land of white privilege.

No. The point of elementary school math is to prepare for high school math, college math, and a job. Not to stress children or to win awards.

I'm not complaining about my children not winning awards. I'm complaining about the pressure, the inappropriate unnecessary pressure.

Who are you to say what the point is?!? You can choose the point for your own children, not those of others.
If my child wants to do competitive math, or robotics, or chess, or gymnastics, or violin, or spelling, who are you to tell them it's wrong?!?

Please accept that children have different inclinations, and that it's not inherently wrong to encourage them to work hard and be successful at something.
If you, as an outside observer, feels pressure from this, then you need to modify your attitude, not me.

If you say so. I agree with the elementary school math teachers. You disagree.

Take your kids to Kumon for years. They'll thank you for it when they grow up. Maybe not.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand why the anti academic parents feel any pressure because other kids work harder?

If you think kids should not care as much about academic performance, rankings, or try to win math or spelling competition then why on earth do you feel any pressure from the kids who do do these things?

Other than white privilege and being struck by the idea that it is no longer a nerdy white boy winning the awards but a nerdy asian girl or boy, what is your concern?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why the anti academic parents feel any pressure because other kids work harder?

If you think kids should not care as much about academic performance, rankings, or try to win math or spelling competition then why on earth do you feel any pressure from the kids who do do these things?

Other than white privilege and being struck by the idea that it is no longer a nerdy white boy winning the awards but a nerdy asian girl or boy, what is your concern?

Suicide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why the anti academic parents feel any pressure because other kids work harder?

If you think kids should not care as much about academic performance, rankings, or try to win math or spelling competition then why on earth do you feel any pressure from the kids who do do these things?

Other than white privilege and being struck by the idea that it is no longer a nerdy white boy winning the awards but a nerdy asian girl or boy, what is your concern?

Suicide.

DP.. I agree that is a concern, but who is to say what is too much pressure in general. You want it to be challenging for your kids but not too challenging, because otherwise, that's too much pressure. But, the next kid might be fine with the challenge. Who decides where the line is?

Maybe the pressure comes from you as the parent? If you are the type of parent who wants your kid to get into a magnet program, or to a top college, and fret that they can't get in, maybe you are the one putting too much pressure on them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Hmm. You are linking the de-stressing of school to a push-back against Asian families, but I’m not sure it’s the case.

Where I live there have been suicides in middle and high schools (due to stress), and the school district has responded by eliminating HW in elementary school, and reducing it in middle school.

I don’t believe it has anything to do with Asian students. Your post felt disingenuous to me.

OP here again. I'm linking them because the people making these statements are linking it. They will make statements like:

-Our community is changing. While we like the new diversity, we will not tolerate the intense pressure being placed on students to succeed. Please remember that they are only children once. Grades do not matter as much as you think they matter. Everyone does not need to go to the best possible school. Everyone shouldn't get As or top scores on the SAT.

It was adding the sentence about this being the changing community and the diversity comment that made everyone know who the principal was talking about in terms of pressure.

I have heard several math teachers complain that regular smart kids just can't keep up with kids that go to outside math tutoring two hours a day and then refer specifically to tiger moms. I have heard them complain and make comments about spelling bee winners like- of course you will win if you are forced to study hours a day, its not fair that the truly talented kids are being left behind.

I guess I don’t see what’s wrong with these statements/observations?

[Anonymous]

^^ And, btw, we’re South Asian and think some Indian/Asian families are over the top! I dislike that you’re creating divisions, I’m sorry. Every family is different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll add that one mom who used to coordinate the spelling bee every year dropped out because it had been taken over by others so what is the point. It is pretty blatant.

Why does this have to do anything with race? If the spelling bee used to be a fun afterschool activity requiring 1 hour a week of dedication , say, and it turned into a competitive activity with some kids studying several hours and a lot of pressure on the organizer, might she just not think it was fun to organize anymore?