Virginia State Senator says it’s those who are naive and unprepared that get raped

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know nothing of this woman except that she's a fool.

Yup u know nothing

Ha, she's an idiot who can't type a grammatically correct sentence and she's a butter face. Go back to cleaning your gun.

“Butter face”?

You’re a misogynistic creep. Go back to Fairfax Underground

[Anonymous]

so, people with guns are somehow less naive and more prepared than everyone else?

That's so incredibly dumb

Only if your answer is "if I find myself in a tough situation, I can just kill someone"

And again, how are you so sure THAT is how it is going to work out? Because in a LOT of those situations, your attacker can gain access to YOUR weapon and use it against you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:so, people with guns are somehow less naive and more prepared than everyone else?

That's so incredibly dumb

Only if your answer is "if I find myself in a tough situation, I can just kill someone"

And again, how are you so sure THAT is how it is going to work out? Because in a LOT of those situations, your attacker can gain access to YOUR weapon and use it against you.

I see these “your attacker will just take your gun and kill you with it” things all the time. But you never hear of it happening, outside of very, very rare occasions. It all seems to be very anecdotal, not supported by data. But instances of women who’ve shot assailants in self-defense are well-documented. There IS data to support that.

And yes, if I find myself in a “tough” situation, as you call it, where my options are either to be sexually assaulted and/or murdered, OR to shoot my would-be attacker, possibly killing them, then that’s an easy choice. I’m going to shoot them. And I’m going to continue shooting them, over and over, until they stop being a threat. If that means they die, then so be it. It won’t trouble me in the least. Perhaps they should’ve considered that outcome before they decided to attack me.

But I’m not going to feel guilty about saving my own life. My family needs me, and I don’t want to die. So if the choice is me, or a man who chose to try and victimize me, then I’m choosing “me”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I see these “your attacker will just take your gun and kill you with it” things all the time. But you never hear of it happening, outside of very, very rare occasions. It all seems to be very anecdotal, not supported by data. But instances of women who’ve shot assailants in self-defense are well-documented. There IS data to support that.

And yes, if I find myself in a “tough” situation, as you call it, where my options are either to be sexually assaulted and/or murdered, OR to shoot my would-be attacker, possibly killing them, then that’s an easy choice. I’m going to shoot them. And I’m going to continue shooting them, over and over, until they stop being a threat. If that means they die, then so be it. It won’t trouble me in the least. Perhaps they should’ve considered that outcome before they decided to attack me.

But I’m not going to feel guilty about saving my own life. My family needs me, and I don’t want to die. So if the choice is me, or a man who chose to try and victimize me, then I’m choosing “me”.

1. Across states, more guns = more female violent deaths

We analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and unintentional gun death, homicide and suicide for women across the 50 states over a ten-year period. Women in states with many guns have elevated rates of unintentional gun deaths, suicides and homicides, particularly firearm suicides and firearm homicides.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and unintentional firearm deaths, suicide, and homicide among women. Journal of Urban Health. 2002; 79:26-38.

2. Across high-income countries, more guns = more female homicide deaths

We analyzed the relationship between gun availability and homicides of women with data from 25 high-income countries. Across developed nations, where gun are more available, there are more homicides of women. The United States has the most firearms and U.S. women are far more likely to be homicide victims than women in other developed countries.

Hemenway, David; Shinoda-Tagawa, Tomoko; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and female homicide victimization rates across 25 populous high-income countries. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association. 2002; 57:100-04

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/misperceptions/

[Anonymous]

does her claim also apply to all the unreported rapes and thousands of rape kits sitting on shelves for decades and decades?

Does being naive include walking home or to work, or jogging on a bike trail or walking back to one's car? Or being served a spiked drink at a frat party?

[Anonymous]

And does her statement only apply to rape in the U.S. or world wide? Are women in India, Africa, Saudi Arabia, etc. as naive as American women?

[Anonymous]

And this is why there are a million threads about why Marylanders/DC denizens, etc. would never live in Virginia. Right-wing nutter-ville state house, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She's right

Just stop it. If you have half a brain, you know that bad things can happen to the most prepared of us all. A couple of years ago, a young man was sexually assaulted in or near the Bethesda metro. He was just walking about, minding his own business. Is he at fault?

Idiot.

Looking past your name calling and obvious lack of self control.... no one said that on rare occasions, even those with good situational awareness and judgement still aren’t victims. But those are very, very rare incidents indeed, and are usually almost always committed by someone known to the victim, who was able to slip inside their virtual security perimeter, either through coercion, drugs, or some other means.

But those exceptions don’t make the rule. And the rule is that most victims of sexual assault were somehow compromised in terms of situational awareness or were otherwise incapacitated in some other way (alcohol, drugs, etc). Very few assault victims were physically overpowered by a random stranger and dragged into an alley. Most victims knew their attacker, and most victims in some way or another, had their guard down.

Just because you don’t like hearing this doesn’t make it untrue.

What an idiot! Yes, we all need to be aware of our circumstances. We all understand that a failure to be so aware can lead to bad consequences, whether a stolen pocketbook or briefcase or even car, a pickpocket, a home burglary, a rape or a murder, and whether we are in our own neighborhood, an airport, some unfamiliar public space, or some small strange town. None of the foregoing should remove the focus on the actual criminal. Yes, if I fail to lock my car, it might get stolen. But the thief remains a thief, and a rape remains a rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And she's female. Where does the GOP find these gems?

https://www.nbc12.com/2019/07/05/virginia-senator-faces-criticism-after-online-controversial-rape-comment/

District 11 Senator Amanda Chase made a controversial comment during a back-and-forth online exchange concerning the second amendment.

In an online Facebook exchange, Chase told someone “It’s those who are naive and unprepared that end up raped. Sorry but I’m not going to be a statistic.”

“I was pretty deeply offended as someone who cares about Chesterfield County and as someone who works in Chesterfield County,” Casey Dokoupil said.

Casey Dokoupil says the comments caught her off guard.

“She’s trying to blame rape on victims which is unhealthy and not representative of where we are as a culture and moving,” Dokoupil said.

DCUM, according to a recent thread.

[Anonymous]

No one asks to be brutally violated, but I said on another thread that I see too many parents telling their kids the “all people are good people” sentiment.

Time to change that. Tell your kids there ARE evil people who WILL hurt, rape or even KILL you if they get the opportunity.
So BEWARE. Always.

How many of you have told your kids that??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And this is why there are a million threads about why Marylanders/DC denizens, etc. would never live in Virginia. Right-wing nutter-ville state house, etc.

You seem like a very small person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I see these “your attacker will just take your gun and kill you with it” things all the time. But you never hear of it happening, outside of very, very rare occasions. It all seems to be very anecdotal, not supported by data. But instances of women who’ve shot assailants in self-defense are well-documented. There IS data to support that.

And yes, if I find myself in a “tough” situation, as you call it, where my options are either to be sexually assaulted and/or murdered, OR to shoot my would-be attacker, possibly killing them, then that’s an easy choice. I’m going to shoot them. And I’m going to continue shooting them, over and over, until they stop being a threat. If that means they die, then so be it. It won’t trouble me in the least. Perhaps they should’ve considered that outcome before they decided to attack me.

But I’m not going to feel guilty about saving my own life. My family needs me, and I don’t want to die. So if the choice is me, or a man who chose to try and victimize me, then I’m choosing “me”.

1. Across states, more guns = more female violent deaths

We analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and unintentional gun death, homicide and suicide for women across the 50 states over a ten-year period. Women in states with many guns have elevated rates of unintentional gun deaths, suicides and homicides, particularly firearm suicides and firearm homicides.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and unintentional firearm deaths, suicide, and homicide among women. Journal of Urban Health. 2002; 79:26-38.

2. Across high-income countries, more guns = more female homicide deaths

We analyzed the relationship between gun availability and homicides of women with data from 25 high-income countries. Across developed nations, where gun are more available, there are more homicides of women. The United States has the most firearms and U.S. women are far more likely to be homicide victims than women in other developed countries.

Hemenway, David; Shinoda-Tagawa, Tomoko; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and female homicide victimization rates across 25 populous high-income countries. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association. 2002; 57:100-04

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/misperceptions/

Except I’m the one with the gun, in my case, rather than the defenseless victim without a prayer. I’m not saying I’m invincible, but I will say that I’m going to fare better against an attacker than another woman who isn’t armed. That’s my choice. You believe in choice, don’t you? My choice is to give myself a fighting chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And this is why there are a million threads about why Marylanders/DC denizens, etc. would never live in Virginia. Right-wing nutter-ville state house, etc.

She represents a district in greater Richmond. She would not get elected in NoVa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I see these “your attacker will just take your gun and kill you with it” things all the time. But you never hear of it happening, outside of very, very rare occasions. It all seems to be very anecdotal, not supported by data. But instances of women who’ve shot assailants in self-defense are well-documented. There IS data to support that.

And yes, if I find myself in a “tough” situation, as you call it, where my options are either to be sexually assaulted and/or murdered, OR to shoot my would-be attacker, possibly killing them, then that’s an easy choice. I’m going to shoot them. And I’m going to continue shooting them, over and over, until they stop being a threat. If that means they die, then so be it. It won’t trouble me in the least. Perhaps they should’ve considered that outcome before they decided to attack me.

But I’m not going to feel guilty about saving my own life. My family needs me, and I don’t want to die. So if the choice is me, or a man who chose to try and victimize me, then I’m choosing “me”.

1. Across states, more guns = more female violent deaths

We analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and unintentional gun death, homicide and suicide for women across the 50 states over a ten-year period. Women in states with many guns have elevated rates of unintentional gun deaths, suicides and homicides, particularly firearm suicides and firearm homicides.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and unintentional firearm deaths, suicide, and homicide among women. Journal of Urban Health. 2002; 79:26-38.

2. Across high-income countries, more guns = more female homicide deaths

We analyzed the relationship between gun availability and homicides of women with data from 25 high-income countries. Across developed nations, where gun are more available, there are more homicides of women. The United States has the most firearms and U.S. women are far more likely to be homicide victims than women in other developed countries.

Hemenway, David; Shinoda-Tagawa, Tomoko; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and female homicide victimization rates across 25 populous high-income countries. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association. 2002; 57:100-04

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/misperceptions/

Except I’m the one with the gun, in my case, rather than the defenseless victim without a prayer. I’m not saying I’m invincible, but I will say that I’m going to fare better against an attacker than another woman who isn’t armed. That’s my choice. You believe in choice, don’t you? My choice is to give myself a fighting chance.

No one is suggesting banning handguns, so "choice here is a red herring".

The point is that from the policy POV, more guns does not mean more safety.

Note well, some people suffer from clinical depression and CANNOT safely keep a gun. There has to be a better way to counter crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
No one asks to be brutally violated, but I said on another thread that I see too many parents telling their kids the “all people are good people” sentiment.

Time to change that. Tell your kids there ARE evil people who WILL hurt, rape or even KILL you if they get the opportunity.
So BEWARE. Always.

How many of you have told your kids that??

Anyone?