2 more magnet teachers are leaving Clemente

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ what’s wrong with it?

Not that poster, but here is what I hear from some families:

*Disrupted family schedules because of the bus.
*Tension between students and parents over the workload at home.
*Unfairness to other kids in the family who lose parental attention or have to adjust their schedule.

Home school is always an option, right?

For the first issue... I mean, seriously, do people expect the bus will come get your kid from your front door? Busing information is well communicated way before your kid apply. Some accountability would be nice. For the second issue... if you allowed your child to sign up for the magnet w/o knowing workload expectation, that's on you/your kid... for the third one, why do you have to adjust your schedule?

PP, you are responding to an MCPS troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ what’s wrong with it?

1. The child's school work is the child's school work, not the whole family's school work.

2. What about children whose families can't or aren't willing to commit the whole family to the child's education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ what’s wrong with it?

Not that poster, but here is what I hear from some families:

*Disrupted family schedules because of the bus.
*Tension between students and parents over the workload at home.
*Unfairness to other kids in the family who lose parental attention or have to adjust their schedule.

NP here. I have not heard that in my 15 years as a magnet teacher. Most parents are aware of the time committment and they consider themselves a partner in their child's education. Most students are happy within the program, even if some have to work harder to catch up with some of their peers. The truth is that these children are able to do the work and they thrive also because of a very like-ability cohort.

- Magnet teacher.

We turned down CES due to the amount of endless projects. Yes, this is going much deeper into the material, but often projects seem like more work from parents than for students. Honestly, is very clear when parents have done most of the work.

Our daughter is capable of doing the work, but she is already extremely busy with a multitude of language, music, and dance programs. She has at least 10 hours of work from her language program each week already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ what’s wrong with it?

1. The child's school work is the child's school work, not the whole family's school work.

2. What about children whose families can't or aren't willing to commit the whole family to the child's education?

1. If your family is doing your child’s school work, she is not for the program.

2. If your family is not willing to support your child, there is nothing anyone can do. It’s your personal decision and there is nothing wrong with that. We all make different decisions.

[Anonymous]

All kids are better served when we acknowledge that advanced academic success is not due simply to raw intellectual gifts. There’s a huge part of magnet participation that is the accident of birth (or adoption) into a family that can and will support you in myriad ways. Some families are willing, but lack the tools. Others have the resources, but prioritize other things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All kids are better served when we acknowledge that advanced academic success is not due simply to raw intellectual gifts. There’s a huge part of magnet participation that is the accident of birth (or adoption) into a family that can and will support you in myriad ways. Some families are willing, but lack the tools. Others have the resources, but prioritize other things.

I don't think anyone has said that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All kids are better served when we acknowledge that advanced academic success is not due simply to raw intellectual gifts. There’s a huge part of magnet participation that is the accident of birth (or adoption) into a family that can and will support you in myriad ways. Some families are willing, but lack the tools. Others have the resources, but prioritize other things.

I don't think anyone has said that.

Not here, but in the larger DCUM debate about who is in magnet, it’s a widespread belief that the old system only admitted natural born geniuses and suddenly it’s flooded with kids not ordained by nature to be there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ what’s wrong with it?

1. The child's school work is the child's school work, not the whole family's school work.

2. What about children whose families can't or aren't willing to commit the whole family to the child's education?

1. If your family is doing your child’s school work, she is not for the program.

2. If your family is not willing to support your child, there is nothing anyone can do. It’s your personal decision and there is nothing wrong with that. We all make different decisions.

That's factually false. There is plenty that can be done - and that actually is done - for children whose families, for whatever reason, are not providing the appropriate support.

If the magnet program requires commitment from the whole family, then MCPS is doing the magnet program wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ what’s wrong with it?

1. The child's school work is the child's school work, not the whole family's school work.

2. What about children whose families can't or aren't willing to commit the whole family to the child's education?

1. If your family is doing your child’s school work, she is not for the program.

2. If your family is not willing to support your child, there is nothing anyone can do. It’s your personal decision and there is nothing wrong with that. We all make different decisions.

That's factually false. There is plenty that can be done - and that actually is done - for children whose families, for whatever reason, are not providing the appropriate support.

If the magnet program requires commitment from the whole family, then MCPS is doing the magnet program wrong.

Quite possibly. I know one magnet teacher who has long argued exactly that. But in many ways, it is similar to what is asked of elite child athletes, actors, and musicians. The intense family commitment will continue because there will always be some families willing or eager to do it. It sets the tone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ what’s wrong with it?

1. The child's school work is the child's school work, not the whole family's school work.

2. What about children whose families can't or aren't willing to commit the whole family to the child's education?

1. If your family is doing your child’s school work, she is not for the program.

2. If your family is not willing to support your child, there is nothing anyone can do. It’s your personal decision and there is nothing wrong with that. We all make different decisions.

That's factually false. There is plenty that can be done - and that actually is done - for children whose families, for whatever reason, are not providing the appropriate support.

If the magnet program requires commitment from the whole family, then MCPS is doing the magnet program wrong.

Quite possibly. I know one magnet teacher who has long argued exactly that. But in many ways, it is similar to what is asked of elite child athletes, actors, and musicians. The intense family commitment will continue because there will always be some families willing or eager to do it. It sets the tone.

You're making my point.

[Anonymous]

Magnet is for students who are "gifted and talented." Not "easily driven by parental pressures. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Magnet is supposed to be for students who are "gifted and talented." Not "easily driven by parental pressures. "

FIFY

In an ideal world, the students in the magnet would all be gifted and talented. Parents wouldn’t matter at all. But we don’t have an ideal world. And a lot of MCPS parents don’t want that world because it allows them to get their average children into and through ES and MS magnet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Magnet is supposed to be for students who are "gifted and talented." Not "easily driven by parental pressures. "

FIFY

In an ideal world, the students in the magnet would all be gifted and talented. Parents wouldn’t matter at all. But we don’t have an ideal world. And a lot of MCPS parents don’t want that world because it allows them to get their average children into and through ES and MS magnet.

You sound bitter. If saying that makes you feel better, more power to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ what’s wrong with it?

Not that poster, but here is what I hear from some families:

*Disrupted family schedules because of the bus.
*Tension between students and parents over the workload at home.
*Unfairness to other kids in the family who lose parental attention or have to adjust their schedule.

NP here. I have not heard that in my 15 years as a magnet teacher. Most parents are aware of the time committment and they consider themselves a partner in their child's education. Most students are happy within the program, even if some have to work harder to catch up with some of their peers. The truth is that these children are able to do the work and they thrive also because of a very like-ability cohort.

- Magnet teacher.

We turned down CES due to the amount of endless projects. Yes, this is going much deeper into the material, but often projects seem like more work from parents than for students. Honestly, is very clear when parents have done most of the work.

Our daughter is capable of doing the work, but she is already extremely busy with a multitude of language, music, and dance programs. She has at least 10 hours of work from her language program each week already.

WTF?? I had to respond to this. I have a kid in the CES who just finished 5th grade. We have not been 'doing the work'. Are you kidding? You have no clue how things work at the CES. The kids at our CES put on plays at the end of the year. ALL the work was done at school. Writing the plays, making a set, etc. Parents had ZERO involvement, as it should be. The kids didn't even get together outside of class. It. Was. Amazing. The kids are just THAT talented.

The most we do is dig up old cardboard boxes when they need something like that.

Glad your multi-lingual daughter is spending 10 hours a week on language work. My kid would HATE that, but LOVES the projects at the CES. But, either way, don't disparage the work the kids do at the CES. There are some amazing kids there who are more than capable of doing the work without parental involvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

WTF?? I had to respond to this. I have a kid in the CES who just finished 5th grade. We have not been 'doing the work'. Are you kidding? You have no clue how things work at the CES. The kids at our CES put on plays at the end of the year. ALL the work was done at school. Writing the plays, making a set, etc. Parents had ZERO involvement, as it should be. The kids didn't even get together outside of class. It. Was. Amazing. The kids are just THAT talented.

The most we do is dig up old cardboard boxes when they need something like that.

Glad your multi-lingual daughter is spending 10 hours a week on language work. My kid would HATE that, but LOVES the projects at the CES. But, either way, don't disparage the work the kids do at the CES. There are some amazing kids there who are more than capable of doing the work without parental involvement.

When my first kid was at an HGC, a lot of the projects were done at home. Which means that a lot of the projects were done by the parents.

When my second kid was at the same HGC, more of the projects were done at school. Which means that the kids did them, not the parents. As it should be.