Arlington Parents Coalition keeps strange bedfellows

[Anonymous]

You don’t have to listen to anyone. So what if someone posts something on next door. Just move on. If you disagree with their opinions so much then don’t give their opinions more coverage. By sharing on this website you have shared their opinions far and wide.

Such a tizzy over people who disagree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to listen to anyone. So what if someone posts something on next door. Just move on. If you disagree with their opinions so much then don’t give their opinions more coverage. By sharing on this website you have shared their opinions far and wide.

Such a tizzy over people who disagree with you.

In Arlington, you are not allowed to disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to listen to anyone. So what if someone posts something on next door. Just move on. If you disagree with their opinions so much then don’t give their opinions more coverage. By sharing on this website you have shared their opinions far and wide.

Such a tizzy over people who disagree with you.

In Arlington, you are not allowed to disagree.

But you’re allowed to call out the bigots.

[Anonymous]

Without of course, recognizing that the one calling out the bigots may be just as intolerant as the bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Without of course, recognizing that the one calling out the bigots may be just as intolerant as the bigot.

"I know you are but what am I?"

Come on.

The point here is that the Arlington Parent Coalition is using "research" and position papers from an an organization, the American College of Pediatricians, that's actually recognized as a hate group by the Southern Policy Law Center: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/american-college-pediatricians

It presents research as fact from members of this organization, and political think tanks.

It's "intolerant" to point out the facts about the references on their web site?

[Anonymous]

The point here is that the Arlington Parent Coalition is using "research" and position papers from an an organization, the American College of Pediatricians, that's actually recognized as a hate group by the Southern Policy Law Center: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-...american-college-pediatricians

The Southern Poverty Law Center is not reliable. You need to read up on them. It used to be a great organization that did a lot to get rid or greatly reduce the KKK. Now, it is calling any group that is not supportive of leftist agenda a hate group.

You can be critical of conservative organizations if you like, but calling them a "hate organization" is itself hateful. I know nothing about the organization cited, but, if the SPLC calls them a hate group, I'm not accepting that as accurate.

You need to read up on the SPLC and Morris Dees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The point here is that the Arlington Parent Coalition is using "research" and position papers from an an organization, the American College of Pediatricians, that's actually recognized as a hate group by the Southern Policy Law Center: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-...american-college-pediatricians

The Southern Poverty Law Center is not reliable. You need to read up on them. It used to be a great organization that did a lot to get rid or greatly reduce the KKK. Now, it is calling any group that is not supportive of leftist agenda a hate group.

You can be critical of conservative organizations if you like, but calling them a "hate organization" is itself hateful. I know nothing about the organization cited, but, if the SPLC calls them a hate group, I'm not accepting that as accurate.

You need to read up on the SPLC and Morris Dees.

Ah. So I should take your word, and that of the "American College of Pediatrics", over SPLC.

It doesn't take a lot of effort to learn that the American College of Pediatricians is an anti-LGBT group that was named and formed specifically to be confused with the American Academy of Pediatrics. Is there's anything stated on SPLC's page about ACP that you believe is incorrect, misquoted, or otherwise untrue? If so, please do go on.

The internet is full of information discrediting them. But sure, I'll take your word for it over Wikipedia, SPLC, Psychology today (link), and pretty much every hit on Google that's not APC themselves, or a religous organization, that APC is legitimate.

The fact that APC is an agenda-driven political organization is not actually in dispute by anyone but you. The question is, why should I take seriously anyone who actually uses them to make their point?

[Anonymous]

If you'd care to learn more about the SPLC, here is a pretty even handed article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2018/11/08/feature/is-the-southern-poverty-law-center-judging-hate-fairly/?utm_term=.6eedcbafb581
Final paragraph from the article:

As these letters make painfully clear, hate, like so much in American life, has become highly ideological. In this climate, seeking widespread credibility for a hate list — with its inherently blunt methodology — seems at once quaint, noble and, possibly, futile.

What is interesting is that they don't include groups--like Antifa--as a hate group even though they advocate violence. They only include people that they claim are hateful. And, that is a matter of their own ideology. So, i guess in their view, if you harm people, it's not hateful.......

Sure, many of the groups they list are hate groups. But, certainly not all of them.

Since this article was written, Morris Dees was fired. You can google and find out more about that, if you like.

But, a group who disagrees with the transgender issue so much in the press these days, is not necessarily a hate group--except in the view of the SPLC.

My personal opinion on this issue is that it is very complicated. I do think all people should be treated respectfully, and if someone is transgender and wants to be treated as another sex from the one they had when they were born, I'm willing to respect that--unless it infringes on someone else's rights.

The bathroom/locker room issue is not cut and dried. It's complicated. However, to me, the athletic issue infringes on the rights of biological females. It essentially wipes out Title IX protections for girls' sports.

I also think the "science" is still out on whether or not transitioning as a child is wise. There are studies that support both sides on that.

To me, these are decisions best made on an individual basis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you'd care to learn more about the SPLC, here is a pretty even handed article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2018/11/08/feature/is-the-southern-poverty-law-center-judging-hate-fairly/?utm_term=.6eedcbafb581
Final paragraph from the article:

As these letters make painfully clear, hate, like so much in American life, has become highly ideological. In this climate, seeking widespread credibility for a hate list — with its inherently blunt methodology — seems at once quaint, noble and, possibly, futile.

What is interesting is that they don't include groups--like Antifa--as a hate group even though they advocate violence. They only include people that they claim are hateful. And, that is a matter of their own ideology. So, i guess in their view, if you harm people, it's not hateful.......

Sure, many of the groups they list are hate groups. But, certainly not all of them.

Since this article was written, Morris Dees was fired. You can google and find out more about that, if you like.

But, a group who disagrees with the transgender issue so much in the press these days, is not necessarily a hate group--except in the view of the SPLC.

My personal opinion on this issue is that it is very complicated. I do think all people should be treated respectfully, and if someone is transgender and wants to be treated as another sex from the one they had when they were born, I'm willing to respect that--unless it infringes on someone else's rights.

The bathroom/locker room issue is not cut and dried. It's complicated. However, to me, the athletic issue infringes on the rights of biological females. It essentially wipes out Title IX protections for girls' sports.

I also think the "science" is still out on whether or not transitioning as a child is wise. There are studies that support both sides on that.

To me, these are decisions best made on an individual basis.

Nice misdirection of the actual issue here.

Do you believe that the American College of Pediatricians is a legitimate academic or professional organization?

Do you dispute any of the citations from the organization and their leadership quoted on SPLC's page about them, or elsewhere on the internet?

Why do you think I should even give another minute of my time to considering, as legitimate, any organization that uses ACP as a primary source of authority?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that they don't include groups--like Antifa--as a hate group even though they advocate violence. They only include people that they claim are hateful. And, that is a matter of their own ideology. So, i guess in their view, if you harm people, it's not hateful.......

Is there some actual organization called "Antifa?" What's their web site? Who are their members?

Nice try though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's been a lot of noise on my nextdoor lately from something called the Arlington Parents Coalition (link) related to Arlington's draft J-2 PIP transgender policy.

Gotta love how they link to a statement by the American College of Pediatricians, which appears to be a political group formed mostly for the purpose of being confused with the American Academy of Pediatrics which is the actual professional organization you've heard of. Wikipedia says American College of Pediatricians is listed as a hate group by the Southern Policy Law Center.

Approve of the policy or not, it's pretty sad that in Arlington people are using fake academic organizations and politicians passed of as actual research to make their point. The "research' section on that web site is a complete joke. Every single piece of "research" linked to is associated with the fake American College of Pediatricians or some other super right wing organization. The first five links:

"Unethical NIH Study Causes Irreversible Medical Harm to Children" - posted on youtube by "The Kelsey Coalition" - speech by Dr. Michael K. Laidlaw, who's a vocal anti-trans activist and writes frequently in church, pro-life journals and ultra-conservative journals. Read about him..
"What’s Wrong with the New NIH Study on Transgender Kids?" by Jane Robbins/ Erin Tuttle = employees of the American Principles Project, an ultra-conservative think tank
"Dr. Michelle Cretella on Transgenderism: A Mental Illness is Not a Civil Right" Michelle Critella = vice president of fake American College of Pediatricians
"The Medical Harms of Hormonal and Surgical Interventions for Gender Dysphoric Children" - the actual heritage foundation, enough said
"The Terrible Fraud of 'Transgender Medicine" - Quentin L. Van Meter = president of fake American College of Pediatricians

.. got tired of googling the authors after the first five turned out to be are all sourced from highly political organizations or are agenda-driven. None of these is actual research.

Sounds like the work of people who don't have enough to worry about in their lives. I'd just ignore them. Everyone else will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:your cherrypicking references- and ignoring their subtitles. Here are the articles they list under the category 'if you only read one thing' Especially the Littman article is sound research .

If you only read one thing:
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Paul W. Hruz, Lawrence S. Mayer, and Paul R. McHugh, "Growing Pains: Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria," The New Atlantis, Number 52, Spring 2017, pp. 3-36.

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More research is needed to resolve these unanswered questions. At the same time, research into how and why gender dysphoria occurs, persists, and desists must also continue, as it could elucidate new ways to help people cope with gender dysphoria with less permanent and drastic treatments than sex reassignment. In light of the many uncertainties and unknowns, it would be appropriate to describe the use of puberty-blocking treatments for gender dysphoria as experimental.

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GENDER IDENTITY DYSOPHORIA (GID) & RAPID-ONSET GENDER DYSPHORIA (ROGD)



Littman, Lisa (2018). Rapid-onset gender dysphoria in adolescents and young adults: A study of parental reports. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330

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Conclusion: Rapid-onset gender dysphor?ia (ROGD) describes a phenomenon where the development of gender dysphoria is observed to begin suddenly during or after puberty in an adolescent or young adult who would not have met criteria for gender dysphoria in childhood. ROGD appears to represent an entity that is distinct from the gender dysphoria observed in individuals who have previously been described as transgender. The worsening of mental well-being and parent-child relationships and behaviors that isolate AYAs from their parents, families, non-transgender friends and mainstream sources of information are particularly concerning. More research is needed to better understand this phenomenon, its implications and scope.

The Journal of Atlantis is a right-wing publication produced by the right-wing Ethics and Public Policy Center. Despite its use of citations and other characteristics of serious Academia, It is not to be confused with peer-reviewed academic research. It doesn't exist to discover anything -- it exists to persuade and give the illusion of academic support for conservative political positions. Its current president is Edward Whelan, who helped usher Brett Kavanaugh into the Supreme Court.

The Littman piece you cited uses the wrong date. The original study was determined to be flawed ... and maybe fraud. Brown basically issued a retraction and published a dramatically revised version. https://www.brown.edu/news/2019-03-19/gender

"PROVIDENCE, R.I. [Brown University] — Seven months after the academic journal PLOS ONE indicated plans to seek further expert assessment on a study focused on “rapid-onset gender dysphoria,” the journal has republished the research with a series of corrections and updates by the study’s author to address concerns raised in the journal’s reassessment."

So, what we really have here is a hate group hiding behind the illusion of validity and hoping no one will look further. In otherwords, it's all bullshit masquerading as scholarly work.

[Anonymous]

I know almost nothing about the American College of Pediatricians. I know quite a bit more about the SPLC-my only view is that the SPLC is no longer a reliable source.
Frankly, I don't care what the ACP says. I already said that I am on the fence about a lot of the transgender issues as it relates to kids. It is a complicated issue and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

So, back to schools. How do you feel about transgenders and girl's sports? I strongly believe that transgender women should not be competing with biological girls.
I really don't care about bathrooms, and I am not too sure about locker rooms. Frankly, in my experience, girls are fairly modest and go into corners. I would think that might be more difficult in a boys' shower room for transgender boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to listen to anyone. So what if someone posts something on next door. Just move on. If you disagree with their opinions so much then don’t give their opinions more coverage. By sharing on this website you have shared their opinions far and wide.

Such a tizzy over people who disagree with you.

In Arlington, you are not allowed to disagree.

You can disagree all you want, but it's not like your viewpoint is valid. When your central argument is hate-based and your "evidence" is fabricated, no one will take what you have to say seriously. Stomping your feet and crying like a toddler won't make anyone take you seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know almost nothing about the American College of Pediatricians. I know quite a bit more about the SPLC-my only view is that the SPLC is no longer a reliable source.
Frankly, I don't care what the ACP says. I already said that I am on the fence about a lot of the transgender issues as it relates to kids. It is a complicated issue and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

So, back to schools. How do you feel about transgenders and girl's sports? I strongly believe that transgender women should not be competing with biological girls.
I really don't care about bathrooms, and I am not too sure about locker rooms. Frankly, in my experience, girls are fairly modest and go into corners. I would think that might be more difficult in a boys' shower room for transgender boys.

I believe this is largely a fringe issue, even with policies, and the amount of time you spend worrying about it would be better focused on doing something more productive. You're carrying on like boys are pretending to be girls just for the sake of playing on a girl's team. Which just doesn't happen with any regularity.