DA "part time player" offer, anyone experienced this?

[Anonymous]

DP or PT (DA) or Discovery Player (ECNL) is simply a way for clubs to keep their best “bubble” players at their club playing on their top non-DA or non-ECNL team. If used smartly from a soccer development perspective it can result in smaller rosters for DA and ECNL teams and more overall game playing time for non-starters on those teams. Most clubs don’t use it that way, opting for larger rosters and therefore more fee revenue. Many of these bubble players realize this and end up leaving for another club’s DA or ECNL team (one they can make as a FT player) once they realize the deal. It is also tough physically on these PT players as they are practicing more than their teammates on both teams as their base team’s coach wants them at their practices as does the DA/ECNL coach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP or PT (DA) or Discovery Player (ECNL) is simply a way for clubs to keep their best “bubble” players at their club playing on their top non-DA or non-ECNL team. If used smartly from a soccer development perspective it can result in smaller rosters for DA and ECNL teams and more overall game playing time for non-starters on those teams. Most clubs don’t use it that way, opting for larger rosters and therefore more fee revenue. Many of these bubble players realize this and end up leaving for another club’s DA or ECNL team (one they can make as a FT player) once they realize the deal. It is also tough physically on these PT players as they are practicing more than their teammates on both teams as their base team’s coach wants them at their practices as does the DA/ECNL coach.

Yes, this is how some clubs, for example FCV and BRYC almost verbatim, use them. Not all clubs are like FCV or BRYC, neither in philosophy, coaching, or parents.

[Anonymous]

My child is dual rostered and I'm not really happy with the results.

Despite playing at a level "better than half the Academy team" according to the coaches' feedback, they aren't going to open a full spot unless someone is a "game-changer". They don't want the political flack of sending someone down for someone who his just mid-roster. As a result, we train with the higher team but when the roster is released each weekend we're playing with our original, lower club.

This comes back to haunt my child who works their butt off at the higher level but gets snide comments from other players like "yea that was a good move but you still aren't going to be on the team this weekend". The self-confidence hit has been pretty hard and some of his teammates on the higher team are all too willing to rub it in. Parents are polite but not really welcoming (especially the parent of the kid my child is competing with--they avoid me at all events).

We just had tryouts and if they are truly ability based, our child should be moving up. If we are stuck in the same situation next year we will switch clubs (we have a DA offer from another club already).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child is dual rostered and I'm not really happy with the results.

Despite playing at a level "better than half the Academy team" according to the coaches' feedback, they aren't going to open a full spot unless someone is a "game-changer". They don't want the political flack of sending someone down for someone who his just mid-roster. As a result, we train with the higher team but when the roster is released each weekend we're playing with our original, lower club.

This comes back to haunt my child who works their butt off at the higher level but gets snide comments from other players like "yea that was a good move but you still aren't going to be on the team this weekend". The self-confidence hit has been pretty hard and some of his teammates on the higher team are all too willing to rub it in. Parents are polite but not really welcoming (especially the parent of the kid my child is competing with--they avoid me at all events).

We just had tryouts and if they are truly ability based, our child should be moving up. If we are stuck in the same situation next year we will switch clubs (we have a DA offer from another club already).

By U16, for both boys and girls who are playing for competition/college/pro (for boys), not just for fun, I don’t have an issue with parents keeping to themselves. The kids should be competing with each other for spots and start time across the board, and the smack talk is part of that. You would hope the coaches and scouts would take politics out of it and just try to build the best team they can, but alas, this is youth soccer in the DMV, so fat chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child is dual rostered and I'm not really happy with the results.

Despite playing at a level "better than half the Academy team" according to the coaches' feedback, they aren't going to open a full spot unless someone is a "game-changer". They don't want the political flack of sending someone down for someone who his just mid-roster. As a result, we train with the higher team but when the roster is released each weekend we're playing with our original, lower club.

This comes back to haunt my child who works their butt off at the higher level but gets snide comments from other players like "yea that was a good move but you still aren't going to be on the team this weekend". The self-confidence hit has been pretty hard and some of his teammates on the higher team are all too willing to rub it in. Parents are polite but not really welcoming (especially the parent of the kid my child is competing with--they avoid me at all events).

We just had tryouts and if they are truly ability based, our child should be moving up. If we are stuck in the same situation next year we will switch clubs (we have a DA offer from another club already).

Shouldn’t you already have an offer by now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is dual rostered and I'm not really happy with the results.

Despite playing at a level "better than half the Academy team" according to the coaches' feedback, they aren't going to open a full spot unless someone is a "game-changer". They don't want the political flack of sending someone down for someone who his just mid-roster. As a result, we train with the higher team but when the roster is released each weekend we're playing with our original, lower club.

This comes back to haunt my child who works their butt off at the higher level but gets snide comments from other players like "yea that was a good move but you still aren't going to be on the team this weekend". The self-confidence hit has been pretty hard and some of his teammates on the higher team are all too willing to rub it in. Parents are polite but not really welcoming (especially the parent of the kid my child is competing with--they avoid me at all events).

We just had tryouts and if they are truly ability based, our child should be moving up. If we are stuck in the same situation next year we will switch clubs (we have a DA offer from another club already).

Shouldn’t you already have an offer by now?

The OP is likely another dissatisfied STJFCV parent, forever on the bubble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child is dual rostered and I'm not really happy with the results.

Despite playing at a level "better than half the Academy team" according to the coaches' feedback, they aren't going to open a full spot unless someone is a "game-changer". They don't want the political flack of sending someone down for someone who his just mid-roster. As a result, we train with the higher team but when the roster is released each weekend we're playing with our original, lower club.

This comes back to haunt my child who works their butt off at the higher level but gets snide comments from other players like "yea that was a good move but you still aren't going to be on the team this weekend". The self-confidence hit has been pretty hard and some of his teammates on the higher team are all too willing to rub it in. Parents are polite but not really welcoming (especially the parent of the kid my child is competing with--they avoid me at all events).

We just had tryouts and if they are truly ability based, our child should be moving up. If we are stuck in the same situation next year we will switch clubs (we have a DA offer from another club already).

Honest advice for you. take the other offer give your kid a fresh start. Being brutally honest if your kid is working his butt off to impress the same coach and not moving up. A fresh start is what is needed for him. He needs a fresh set of eyes on him. Its ok it happens at all levels. Look how many players transfer colleges and then flourish in the right setting. Same in pro sports a trade sometimes ignites a career. Take the offer !!!

[Anonymous]

And this is why you do a DP position at a great club-to eventually get these FT offers even if not at that club but elsewhere. You have to look at it as development and not be concerned about games.

[Anonymous]

Is DP being replaced by PT?

The PT player would have to be way way better than his FT counterpart in order to displace him/her. In the U14-U15 group, size and development play a part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is DP being replaced by PT?

The PT player would have to be way way better than his FT counterpart in order to displace him/her. In the U14-U15 group, size and development play a part.

?

DP - ECNL
PT - DA

[Anonymous]

Yeah -- no way.

The kid will not fit in on any team. That's a bad way to get better. Cannon fodder for the DA team with practices, and not fitting in on their club team, because the DA team gets first access for practice and games.

Look to join a team where they fit in and will get good practice and game time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah -- no way.

The kid will not fit in on any team. That's a bad way to get better. Cannon fodder for the DA team with practices, and not fitting in on their club team, because the DA team gets first access for practice and games.

Look to join a team where they fit in and will get good practice and game time.

You have no clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And this is why you do a DP position at a great club-to eventually get these FT offers even if not at that club but elsewhere. You have to look at it as development and not be concerned about games.

Yeah -- no way.

The kid will not fit in on any team. That's a bad way to get better. Cannon fodder for the DA team with practices, and not fitting in on their club team, because the DA team gets first access for practice and games.

Look to join a team where they fit in and will get good practice and game time.

You have no clue.

To each his/her own. Depends on what your kid wants. To play in games and to get better or to just get better. Most kids want to play in games, at least some of the time. But again, be careful of the overtraining / injury / burnout risk at a young age by participating on two teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
And this is why you do a DP position at a great club-to eventually get these FT offers even if not at that club but elsewhere. You have to look at it as development and not be concerned about games.

Yeah -- no way.

The kid will not fit in on any team. That's a bad way to get better. Cannon fodder for the DA team with practices, and not fitting in on their club team, because the DA team gets first access for practice and games.

Look to join a team where they fit in and will get good practice and game time.

You have no clue.

To each his/her own. Depends on what your kid wants. To play in games and to get better or to just get better. Most kids want to play in games, at least some of the time. But again, be careful of the overtraining / injury / burnout risk at a young age by participating on two teams.

Exactly what games is a DP not playing in?

How is a DP "over training"?

[Anonymous]

Overtraining - going to 1-4 practices with a DA team and then 2-3 practices with their regular team.

I think parents just don’t care about injuries, burnout etc. I have had 3 play at an elite level and no one talks about this UNLESS you have experienced a real injury. I had to work very hard to protect my kids from overuse because coaches don’t care. Your child is not their child, and your child is interchangeable with kits of others.