DA "part time player" offer, anyone experienced this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Overtraining - going to 1-4 practices with a DA team and then 2-3 practices with their regular team.

I think parents just don’t care about injuries, burnout etc. I have had 3 play at an elite level and no one talks about this UNLESS you have experienced a real injury. I had to work very hard to protect my kids from overuse because coaches don’t care. Your child is not their child, and your child is interchangeable with kits of others.

When people are telling you that you are clueless you really should listen to them.

That is not how it works. You train no more than 4 days a week period. The composition of who you train with is scheduled out. You could train 2 days with DA/ECNL and 2 days with your team totaling 4 or 3 days with your team and 1 day with DA/ECNL.

You play ALL the games with your non-DA/ECNL team and you may get some occasional games with the DA/ECNL if they are earned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child is dual rostered and I'm not really happy with the results.

Despite playing at a level "better than half the Academy team" according to the coaches' feedback, they aren't going to open a full spot unless someone is a "game-changer". They don't want the political flack of sending someone down for someone who his just mid-roster. As a result, we train with the higher team but when the roster is released each weekend we're playing with our original, lower club.

This comes back to haunt my child who works their butt off at the higher level but gets snide comments from other players like "yea that was a good move but you still aren't going to be on the team this weekend". The self-confidence hit has been pretty hard and some of his teammates on the higher team are all too willing to rub it in. Parents are polite but not really welcoming (especially the parent of the kid my child is competing with--they avoid me at all events).

We just had tryouts and if they are truly ability based, our child should be moving up. If we are stuck in the same situation next year we will switch clubs (we have a DA offer from another club already).

So, the option in fact worked out in the long run. Just because a club is to stupid to make decision based on politics and not merit doesn't mean the process of being a DP did not actually help. It sounds like your club was just dumb in utilizing the improvement it had recognized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overtraining - going to 1-4 practices with a DA team and then 2-3 practices with their regular team.

I think parents just don’t care about injuries, burnout etc. I have had 3 play at an elite level and no one talks about this UNLESS you have experienced a real injury. I had to work very hard to protect my kids from overuse because coaches don’t care. Your child is not their child, and your child is interchangeable with kits of others.

When people are telling you that you are clueless you really should listen to them.

That is not how it works. You train no more than 4 days a week period. The composition of who you train with is scheduled out. You could train 2 days with DA/ECNL and 2 days with your team totaling 4 or 3 days with your team and 1 day with DA/ECNL.

You play ALL the games with your non-DA/ECNL team and you may get some occasional games with the DA/ECNL if they are earned.

To last poster, that is theoretical, at least from what I've observed. Here is what we've actually experienced. DA training 2 times a week. Team training 2-3 times a week. 1-2 regular team games on the weekend, and on some weekends 1 DA game as a PT player. That is up to 5 training sessions and 3 games in a given week. This may be fine and dandy for a 16-18 yr old, but not for a 13-15 yr old, especially girls that are prone to knee injuries due to knee joint and muscle development in these early teen years. Yes, SOME weeks it is less than this, but many aren't. Anyhow - not sure which DA club your kid is with … but it appears to be a different one than the one my kid is with. Just providing facts from the what we've experienced.

Now to the other posters, my opinion is that each kid and family makes their own choices, but make sure you ask and set expectations with the DA/ECNL coaching staff and the non-DA/ECNL coaching staff and then monitor how it goes and provide immediate feedback if they start abusing the process. Remember, they work for you and you pay them, not the other way around. If your kid is good enough then if they abuse it they will either correct their behavior or you can go somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overtraining - going to 1-4 practices with a DA team and then 2-3 practices with their regular team.

I think parents just don’t care about injuries, burnout etc. I have had 3 play at an elite level and no one talks about this UNLESS you have experienced a real injury. I had to work very hard to protect my kids from overuse because coaches don’t care. Your child is not their child, and your child is interchangeable with kits of others.

When people are telling you that you are clueless you really should listen to them.

That is not how it works. You train no more than 4 days a week period. The composition of who you train with is scheduled out. You could train 2 days with DA/ECNL and 2 days with your team totaling 4 or 3 days with your team and 1 day with DA/ECNL.

You play ALL the games with your non-DA/ECNL team and you may get some occasional games with the DA/ECNL if they are earned.

To last poster, that is theoretical, at least from what I've observed. Here is what we've actually experienced. DA training 2 times a week. Team training 2-3 times a week. 1-2 regular team games on the weekend, and on some weekends 1 DA game as a PT player. That is up to 5 training sessions and 3 games in a given week. This may be fine and dandy for a 16-18 yr old, but not for a 13-15 yr old, especially girls that are prone to knee injuries due to knee joint and muscle development in these early teen years. Yes, SOME weeks it is less than this, but many aren't. Anyhow - not sure which DA club your kid is with … but it appears to be a different one than the one my kid is with. Just providing facts from the what we've experienced.

Now to the other posters, my opinion is that each kid and family makes their own choices, but make sure you ask and set expectations with the DA/ECNL coaching staff and the non-DA/ECNL coaching staff and then monitor how it goes and provide immediate feedback if they start abusing the process. Remember, they work for you and you pay them, not the other way around. If your kid is good enough then if they abuse it they will either correct their behavior or you can go somewhere else.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but what you are describing is against the rules for USSDA and could get your club in trouble. USSDA "recommends" PT players have 1-2 practices per week with each team (DA and non-DA). It requires PT players follow the USSDA play-to-rest ratio which does not allow you to play 3 games in a weekend (you cannot even play 3 games in 3 days; for example, that's why the U15B showcase in San Diego is Thursday, Friday, and Sunday because Saturday is a required day of rest).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overtraining - going to 1-4 practices with a DA team and then 2-3 practices with their regular team.

I think parents just don’t care about injuries, burnout etc. I have had 3 play at an elite level and no one talks about this UNLESS you have experienced a real injury. I had to work very hard to protect my kids from overuse because coaches don’t care. Your child is not their child, and your child is interchangeable with kits of others.

When people are telling you that you are clueless you really should listen to them.

That is not how it works. You train no more than 4 days a week period. The composition of who you train with is scheduled out. You could train 2 days with DA/ECNL and 2 days with your team totaling 4 or 3 days with your team and 1 day with DA/ECNL.

You play ALL the games with your non-DA/ECNL team and you may get some occasional games with the DA/ECNL if they are earned.

To last poster, that is theoretical, at least from what I've observed. Here is what we've actually experienced. DA training 2 times a week. Team training 2-3 times a week. 1-2 regular team games on the weekend, and on some weekends 1 DA game as a PT player. That is up to 5 training sessions and 3 games in a given week. This may be fine and dandy for a 16-18 yr old, but not for a 13-15 yr old, especially girls that are prone to knee injuries due to knee joint and muscle development in these early teen years. Yes, SOME weeks it is less than this, but many aren't. Anyhow - not sure which DA club your kid is with … but it appears to be a different one than the one my kid is with. Just providing facts from the what we've experienced.

Now to the other posters, my opinion is that each kid and family makes their own choices, but make sure you ask and set expectations with the DA/ECNL coaching staff and the non-DA/ECNL coaching staff and then monitor how it goes and provide immediate feedback if they start abusing the process. Remember, they work for you and you pay them, not the other way around. If your kid is good enough then if they abuse it they will either correct their behavior or you can go somewhere else.

Frankly, if you were taking your kids to 5 practices a week and felt that it was to much that was your fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overtraining - going to 1-4 practices with a DA team and then 2-3 practices with their regular team.

I think parents just don’t care about injuries, burnout etc. I have had 3 play at an elite level and no one talks about this UNLESS you have experienced a real injury. I had to work very hard to protect my kids from overuse because coaches don’t care. Your child is not their child, and your child is interchangeable with kits of others.

When people are telling you that you are clueless you really should listen to them.

That is not how it works. You train no more than 4 days a week period. The composition of who you train with is scheduled out. You could train 2 days with DA/ECNL and 2 days with your team totaling 4 or 3 days with your team and 1 day with DA/ECNL.

You play ALL the games with your non-DA/ECNL team and you may get some occasional games with the DA/ECNL if they are earned.

To last poster, that is theoretical, at least from what I've observed. Here is what we've actually experienced. DA training 2 times a week. Team training 2-3 times a week. 1-2 regular team games on the weekend, and on some weekends 1 DA game as a PT player. That is up to 5 training sessions and 3 games in a given week. This may be fine and dandy for a 16-18 yr old, but not for a 13-15 yr old, especially girls that are prone to knee injuries due to knee joint and muscle development in these early teen years. Yes, SOME weeks it is less than this, but many aren't. Anyhow - not sure which DA club your kid is with … but it appears to be a different one than the one my kid is with. Just providing facts from the what we've experienced.

Now to the other posters, my opinion is that each kid and family makes their own choices, but make sure you ask and set expectations with the DA/ECNL coaching staff and the non-DA/ECNL coaching staff and then monitor how it goes and provide immediate feedback if they start abusing the process. Remember, they work for you and you pay them, not the other way around. If your kid is good enough then if they abuse it they will either correct their behavior or you can go somewhere else.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but what you are describing is against the rules for USSDA and could get your club in trouble. USSDA "recommends" PT players have 1-2 practices per week with each team (DA and non-DA). It requires PT players follow the USSDA play-to-rest ratio which does not allow you to play 3 games in a weekend (you cannot even play 3 games in 3 days; for example, that's why the U15B showcase in San Diego is Thursday, Friday, and Sunday because Saturday is a required day of rest).

Well, we wouldn't want the PT players to be unprepared when we play them in DA games would we? There's nothing more EMBARRASING to some coaches, is there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is dual rostered and I'm not really happy with the results.

Despite playing at a level "better than half the Academy team" according to the coaches' feedback, they aren't going to open a full spot unless someone is a "game-changer". They don't want the political flack of sending someone down for someone who his just mid-roster. As a result, we train with the higher team but when the roster is released each weekend we're playing with our original, lower club.

This comes back to haunt my child who works their butt off at the higher level but gets snide comments from other players like "yea that was a good move but you still aren't going to be on the team this weekend". The self-confidence hit has been pretty hard and some of his teammates on the higher team are all too willing to rub it in. Parents are polite but not really welcoming (especially the parent of the kid my child is competing with--they avoid me at all events).

We just had tryouts and if they are truly ability based, our child should be moving up. If we are stuck in the same situation next year we will switch clubs (we have a DA offer from another club already).

Shouldn’t you already have an offer by now?

The OP is likely another dissatisfied STJFCV parent, forever on the bubble.

Nice cheap shot, except that the player being discussed is a boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is dual rostered and I'm not really happy with the results.

Despite playing at a level "better than half the Academy team" according to the coaches' feedback, they aren't going to open a full spot unless someone is a "game-changer". They don't want the political flack of sending someone down for someone who his just mid-roster. As a result, we train with the higher team but when the roster is released each weekend we're playing with our original, lower club.

This comes back to haunt my child who works their butt off at the higher level but gets snide comments from other players like "yea that was a good move but you still aren't going to be on the team this weekend". The self-confidence hit has been pretty hard and some of his teammates on the higher team are all too willing to rub it in. Parents are polite but not really welcoming (especially the parent of the kid my child is competing with--they avoid me at all events).

We just had tryouts and if they are truly ability based, our child should be moving up. If we are stuck in the same situation next year we will switch clubs (we have a DA offer from another club already).

Honest advice for you. take the other offer give your kid a fresh start. Being brutally honest if your kid is working his butt off to impress the same coach and not moving up. A fresh start is what is needed for him. He needs a fresh set of eyes on him. Its ok it happens at all levels. Look how many players transfer colleges and then flourish in the right setting. Same in pro sports a trade sometimes ignites a career. Take the offer !!!

100% agree. This is good advice. Sounds like your kid has earned a chance. Give it to him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overtraining - going to 1-4 practices with a DA team and then 2-3 practices with their regular team.

I think parents just don’t care about injuries, burnout etc. I have had 3 play at an elite level and no one talks about this UNLESS you have experienced a real injury. I had to work very hard to protect my kids from overuse because coaches don’t care. Your child is not their child, and your child is interchangeable with kits of others.

When people are telling you that you are clueless you really should listen to them.

That is not how it works. You train no more than 4 days a week period. The composition of who you train with is scheduled out. You could train 2 days with DA/ECNL and 2 days with your team totaling 4 or 3 days with your team and 1 day with DA/ECNL.

You play ALL the games with your non-DA/ECNL team and you may get some occasional games with the DA/ECNL if they are earned.

To last poster, that is theoretical, at least from what I've observed. Here is what we've actually experienced. DA training 2 times a week. Team training 2-3 times a week. 1-2 regular team games on the weekend, and on some weekends 1 DA game as a PT player. That is up to 5 training sessions and 3 games in a given week. This may be fine and dandy for a 16-18 yr old, but not for a 13-15 yr old, especially girls that are prone to knee injuries due to knee joint and muscle development in these early teen years. Yes, SOME weeks it is less than this, but many aren't. Anyhow - not sure which DA club your kid is with … but it appears to be a different one than the one my kid is with. Just providing facts from the what we've experienced.

Now to the other posters, my opinion is that each kid and family makes their own choices, but make sure you ask and set expectations with the DA/ECNL coaching staff and the non-DA/ECNL coaching staff and then monitor how it goes and provide immediate feedback if they start abusing the process. Remember, they work for you and you pay them, not the other way around. If your kid is good enough then if they abuse it they will either correct their behavior or you can go somewhere else.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but what you are describing is against the rules for USSDA and could get your club in trouble. USSDA "recommends" PT players have 1-2 practices per week with each team (DA and non-DA). It requires PT players follow the USSDA play-to-rest ratio which does not allow you to play 3 games in a weekend (you cannot even play 3 games in 3 days; for example, that's why the U15B showcase in San Diego is Thursday, Friday, and Sunday because Saturday is a required day of rest).

Well, we wouldn't want the PT players to be unprepared when we play them in DA games would we? There's nothing more EMBARRASING to some coaches, is there?

So dramatic. Perhaps it is an indication you are with the wrong club with a poor group of coaches? Perhaps you should hear what others are trying to tell you and consider other options instead of playing the victim. It's tryout season, take the opportunity to leave the club you appear to disagree with and if you don't then stop complaining about the situation you have chosen for your kid. The rules exist to avoid injuries which are extremely common for players playing at a high level while their bodies are growing. My kid plays DA and has played competitive soccer for about 9 years and I can honestly say I have never cared whether or not the coach is embarrassed.

[Anonymous]

I think poster 14:07 is correct is pointing out how the pt player actually ends up training. Beside injuries I would be afraid of burnout. Especially girls 13-16., the early Hs years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think poster 14:07 is correct is pointing out how the pt player actually ends up training. Beside injuries I would be afraid of burnout. Especially girls 13-16., the early Hs years.

DP here. Problem with that poster is that it seems to only happen at the one club, which appears to be St James. Other clubs don’t do this and it’s against DA rules to burn them out in that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well, we wouldn't want the PT players to be unprepared when we play them in DA games would we? There's nothing more EMBARRASING to some coaches, is there?

So dramatic. Perhaps it is an indication you are with the wrong club with a poor group of coaches? Perhaps you should hear what others are trying to tell you and consider other options instead of playing the victim. It's tryout season, take the opportunity to leave the club you appear to disagree with and if you don't then stop complaining about the situation you have chosen for your kid. The rules exist to avoid injuries which are extremely common for players playing at a high level while their bodies are growing. My kid plays DA and has played competitive soccer for about 9 years and I can honestly say I have never cared whether or not the coach is embarrassed.

Whoosh , but

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think poster 14:07 is correct is pointing out how the pt player actually ends up training. Beside injuries I would be afraid of burnout. Especially girls 13-16., the early Hs years.

DP here. Problem with that poster is that it seems to only happen at the one club, which appears to be St James. Other clubs don’t do this and it’s against DA rules to burn them out in that way.

Other clubs do this too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think poster 14:07 is correct is pointing out how the pt player actually ends up training. Beside injuries I would be afraid of burnout. Especially girls 13-16., the early Hs years.

DP here. Problem with that poster is that it seems to only happen at the one club, which appears to be St James. Other clubs don’t do this and it’s against DA rules to burn them out in that way.

Other clubs do this too

Which ones? Not that I’ve and others who have posted here seen. How many elite clubs has your kid played for?

[Anonymous]

We asked where our child would be rostered and the answer was, "both". We asked which coach would do their player evals and they said, "the DA coach".