Girls disadvantaged?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was going to say, there are plenty of women's colleges to suit you, OP. Won't find anything like that for my boys.

Because they are soft

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I agree that patriarchy is alive and well and that women still have too many battles to fight in our society, as the mother of two boys who have spent 13 years struggling to function in a heavily female environment which rewards behaviors that come more easily to girls than to boys, it is a relief to see them get a little bit of a break.

Seriously. The stats don’t lie.

This.

[Anonymous]

No, people, you have hold of the wrong end of the stick. Yes, most liberal arts colleges ENROLL more than 50% women. But they ACCEPT a lower percentage of female applicants than male applicants - for the simple reason that there are far well more qualified female applicants than there are well-qualified male applicants.

The only reason most non-tech universities have anything close to 50% men (as opposed to having women make up the large majority of enrolled students) is because most colleges now provide affirmative action in admissions.... for white boys.

Don't believe me? See:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-surprising-secret-of-legalized-gender-discrimination_b_5a11b570e4b023121e0e93db

https://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8050259/discrimination-against-women-is-a-real-problem-in-college-admissions

https://www.applerouth.com/blog/2017/09/12/5050-isnt-equal-when-it-comes-to-college-admissions/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/13/want-an-edge-in-college-admissions-see-the-schools-where-women-and-men-have-an-advantage/?utm_term=.434604c07794

I would be just fine with my daughters attending colleges that are 70% female. Men apparently got along just fine for most of the last few centuries at colleges with few or no women. I say: if the boys can't make the grades, tough luck for them. We already live in a world that disadvantages women in a thousand large and small ways. Suck it it, guys.

I just wish college admissions offices felt the same.

And you know the true reason they don't? Hint: it's not because they think gender balance is inherently good. It's because they know that men still out-earn women, and they are scared that with fewer male alums, they will have fewer rich alums to endow the new football stadium.

Truth.

[Anonymous]

Read this 2006 op ed by Kenyon's Dean of Admissions:

"To All the Girls I've Rejected"
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/opinion/to-all-the-girls-ive-rejected.html

("What are the consequences of young men discovering that even if they do less, they have more options? And what messages are we sending young women that they must, nearly 25 years after the defeat of the Equal Rights Amendment, be even more accomplished than men to gain admission to the nation's top colleges?")

[Anonymous]

IMHO, this issue is just begging for litigation. A quota for women....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, people, you have hold of the wrong end of the stick. Yes, most liberal arts colleges ENROLL more than 50% women. But they ACCEPT a lower percentage of female applicants than male applicants - for the simple reason that there are far well more qualified female applicants than there are well-qualified male applicants.

The only reason most non-tech universities have anything close to 50% men (as opposed to having women make up the large majority of enrolled students) is because most colleges now provide affirmative action in admissions.... for white boys.

Don't believe me? See:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-surprising-secret-of-legalized-gender-discrimination_b_5a11b570e4b023121e0e93db

https://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8050259/discrimination-against-women-is-a-real-problem-in-college-admissions

https://www.applerouth.com/blog/2017/09/12/5050-isnt-equal-when-it-comes-to-college-admissions/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/13/want-an-edge-in-college-admissions-see-the-schools-where-women-and-men-have-an-advantage/?utm_term=.434604c07794

I would be just fine with my daughters attending colleges that are 70% female. Men apparently got along just fine for most of the last few centuries at colleges with few or no women. I say: if the boys can't make the grades, tough luck for them. We already live in a world that disadvantages women in a thousand large and small ways. Suck it it, guys.

I just wish college admissions offices felt the same.

And you know the true reason they don't? Hint: it's not because they think gender balance is inherently good. It's because they know that men still out-earn women, and they are scared that with fewer male alums, they will have fewer rich alums to endow the new football stadium.

Truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read this 2006 op ed by Kenyon's Dean of Admissions:

"To All the Girls I've Rejected"
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/opinion/to-all-the-girls-ive-rejected.html

("What are the consequences of young men discovering that even if they do less, they have more options? And what messages are we sending young women that they must, nearly 25 years after the defeat of the Equal Rights Amendment, be even more accomplished than men to gain admission to the nation's top colleges?")

Or early education system is more favorable to white women. Looking at the numbers, Asian women are discriminated against in favor of white women.

[Anonymous]

Or it might be what you study

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, people, you have hold of the wrong end of the stick. Yes, most liberal arts colleges ENROLL more than 50% women. But they ACCEPT a lower percentage of female applicants than male applicants - for the simple reason that there are far well more qualified female applicants than there are well-qualified male applicants.

The only reason most non-tech universities have anything close to 50% men (as opposed to having women make up the large majority of enrolled students) is because most colleges now provide affirmative action in admissions.... for white boys.

Don't believe me? See:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-surprising-secret-of-legalized-gender-discrimination_b_5a11b570e4b023121e0e93db

https://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8050259/discrimination-against-women-is-a-real-problem-in-college-admissions

https://www.applerouth.com/blog/2017/09/12/5050-isnt-equal-when-it-comes-to-college-admissions/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/13/want-an-edge-in-college-admissions-see-the-schools-where-women-and-men-have-an-advantage/?utm_term=.434604c07794

I would be just fine with my daughters attending colleges that are 70% female. Men apparently got along just fine for most of the last few centuries at colleges with few or no women. I say: if the boys can't make the grades, tough luck for them. We already live in a world that disadvantages women in a thousand large and small ways. Suck it it, guys.

I just wish college admissions offices felt the same.

And you know the true reason they don't? Hint: it's not because they think gender balance is inherently good. It's because they know that men still out-earn women, and they are scared that with fewer male alums, they will have fewer rich alums to endow the new football stadium.

Truth.

Vox? HUFFINGTON POST? You cannot be serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Presumably your daughters would like to have some college-educated men as potential future husbands, right?

My DD wants a college educated woman as a potential future wife. Preferably one without crushing student loan debt. I don’t think she cares if there are enough 18 year old boys for a truly competitive Fall Rush.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, people, you have hold of the wrong end of the stick. Yes, most liberal arts colleges ENROLL more than 50% women. But they ACCEPT a lower percentage of female applicants than male applicants - for the simple reason that there are far well more qualified female applicants than there are well-qualified male applicants.

The only reason most non-tech universities have anything close to 50% men (as opposed to having women make up the large majority of enrolled students) is because most colleges now provide affirmative action in admissions.... for white boys.

Don't believe me? See:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-surprising-secret-of-legalized-gender-discrimination_b_5a11b570e4b023121e0e93db

https://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8050259/discrimination-against-women-is-a-real-problem-in-college-admissions

https://www.applerouth.com/blog/2017/09/12/5050-isnt-equal-when-it-comes-to-college-admissions/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/13/want-an-edge-in-college-admissions-see-the-schools-where-women-and-men-have-an-advantage/?utm_term=.434604c07794

I would be just fine with my daughters attending colleges that are 70% female. Men apparently got along just fine for most of the last few centuries at colleges with few or no women. I say: if the boys can't make the grades, tough luck for them. We already live in a world that disadvantages women in a thousand large and small ways. Suck it it, guys.

I just wish college admissions offices felt the same.

And you know the true reason they don't? Hint: it's not because they think gender balance is inherently good. It's because they know that men still out-earn women, and they are scared that with fewer male alums, they will have fewer rich alums to endow the new football stadium.

Truth.

The acceptance rate is lower simply because there are more female applicants, not because girls are better applicants.

[Anonymous]

Female applicants get an edge at Wharton

[Anonymous]

Ridiculous. Colleges are begging for women in STEM fields. They get a preference because there are so few applicants. On the other hand, colleges have a surfeit of female applicants n the soft stuff, i.e. social sciences etc. The OP is just factually incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Argh. So after overcoming several millennia of patriarchy, girls are graduating from high school with higher grades and test scores than boys -- so now colleges are engaging in affirmative action for boys?

As the parent of two daughters, this kills me.

$%@$#*&!

On a more practical note, any suggestions about how to overcome this for female applicants who are not in STEM fields?

The same way boys have to overcome it in STEM fields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IMHO, this issue is just begging for litigation. A quota for women....

and for men