critique my PK-3 list

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Any suggestions on ordering the schools after Bancroft? Should we have ones on there for which we have almost no chance of getting in?


Doesn't hurt to put ones on where you have almost no shot - only time it would is if you have more schools than slots in the application.

I question why you have Cooke so high up. It is certainly near you, but if your priority is Spanish, you are not going to get it there. Despite the location, I'd put it further down and move Spanish-language programs above - unless you priority is location. (But from your post it sounded like Spanish was more important than location.)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Bancroft. My kid is currently at a private english-speaking preschool, and we'll continue there until K, if necessary (but I would prefer to her start spanish before K, if possible).

Our main priorities are (1) spanish and (2) proximity to Mt. Pleasant. I realize that we're in a good position, because we're excited about our inbounds school. We are going to list Bancroft as #1. I'm not sure how to order the rest of our list, which just consists of nearby schools with bilingual or immersion programs. I realize that we don't have a great shot at any of these, but I figured I'd get some advice.

In what order would you put these schools and are there any we are missing?

Oyster Adams
Marie Reed
HD Cooke
Powell
Mundo Verde (bus from Mt. P)
Bruce Monroe
Breakthrough
Dorothy Height
Cook
Tubman
Bethune


Some of what I say is repeating things said above. I can comment on the DCPS schools.

Drop Oyster, Powell (no PK3).
Any school with inbounds kids on waitlist (check DCPS lottery stats) you have zero chance of getting in, so don't give a spot unless you have extra slots and want to hail mary.
- Marie Reed Dual, English dominant: no chance OOB
- Marie Reed English only - just checked, no chance: 2018 30 inbounds applied, 12 waitlisted.
- Cooke (only one): 2018 0 Proximity kids got in during lottery, but I bet a few came off waitlist. If you have prox preference, list them (list them first). W/out prox, probably not worth it.
- Tubman: like Cooke, check stats, very unlikely but non-zero. List near top.
- Bruce-Monroe: more like Marie Reed, really almost no chance. drop
Bethune is in Brookland.
Everyone gets in to Dorothy Height, so any school listed below this will be a wasted spot
I really appreciate your desire to do DCPS schools.

Also: Bancroft last year 7/42 inbounds kids got in after the lottery. Probably 10 total after movement. So figure your odds this year for Bancroft are about 25% (1 in four).

Mundo Verde went about 50 PK3 kids down the waitlist, with 600 applicants. So they're about 1 in ten chance. If you list them after Bancroft, you'll either get into Bancroft or you won't get in to either school given way lottery numbers work.

Breakthrough is an odd case. 45/215 got it after lottery. But by October, 170 total had been offered spots. So if you are willing to wait...

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The core of your list is therefore:

Bancroft (1 in 4)
HD Cooke (unlikely)
Breakthrough (1 in 5 right after lottery)
Bethune (new to the lottery in 2019, so I can't estimate your chances - anyone have data?)
Tubman (unlikely)
Dorothy Height (basically guaranteed)

Leaving out Bethune which we can't estimate, you're flipping two coins and if both come up heads, you get into Bancroft. Otherwise, Dorothy Height. And if at DH, you're waitlisted at Breakthrough and 75% likely to get off the waitlist by October.



- Lottery Stats Person



This is bad advice. Do not list based on your likelihood of getting in. List in order of preference.

Also, isn't OP's chance of getting into Bancroft PK3 is higher than 25%, because that doesn't account for the people matched in the initial lottery? Or were there only people w/sibling preference matched?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Bancroft. My kid is currently at a private english-speaking preschool, and we'll continue there until K, if necessary (but I would prefer to her start spanish before K, if possible).

Our main priorities are (1) spanish and (2) proximity to Mt. Pleasant. I realize that we're in a good position, because we're excited about our inbounds school. We are going to list Bancroft as #1. I'm not sure how to order the rest of our list, which just consists of nearby schools with bilingual or immersion programs. I realize that we don't have a great shot at any of these, but I figured I'd get some advice.

In what order would you put these schools and are there any we are missing?

Oyster Adams
Marie Reed
HD Cooke
Powell
Mundo Verde (bus from Mt. P)
Bruce Monroe
Breakthrough
Dorothy Height
Cook
Tubman
Bethune


Some of what I say is repeating things said above. I can comment on the DCPS schools.

Drop Oyster, Powell (no PK3).
Any school with inbounds kids on waitlist (check DCPS lottery stats) you have zero chance of getting in, so don't give a spot unless you have extra slots and want to hail mary.
- Marie Reed Dual, English dominant: no chance OOB
- Marie Reed English only - just checked, no chance: 2018 30 inbounds applied, 12 waitlisted.
- Cooke (only one): 2018 0 Proximity kids got in during lottery, but I bet a few came off waitlist. If you have prox preference, list them (list them first). W/out prox, probably not worth it.
- Tubman: like Cooke, check stats, very unlikely but non-zero. List near top.
- Bruce-Monroe: more like Marie Reed, really almost no chance. drop
Bethune is in Brookland.
Everyone gets in to Dorothy Height, so any school listed below this will be a wasted spot
I really appreciate your desire to do DCPS schools.

Also: Bancroft last year 7/42 inbounds kids got in after the lottery. Probably 10 total after movement. So figure your odds this year for Bancroft are about 25% (1 in four).

Mundo Verde went about 50 PK3 kids down the waitlist, with 600 applicants. So they're about 1 in ten chance. If you list them after Bancroft, you'll either get into Bancroft or you won't get in to either school given way lottery numbers work.

Breakthrough is an odd case. 45/215 got it after lottery. But by October, 170 total had been offered spots. So if you are willing to wait...

-----

The core of your list is therefore:

Bancroft (1 in 4)
HD Cooke (unlikely)
Breakthrough (1 in 5 right after lottery)
Bethune (new to the lottery in 2019, so I can't estimate your chances - anyone have data?)
Tubman (unlikely)
Dorothy Height (basically guaranteed)

Leaving out Bethune which we can't estimate, you're flipping two coins and if both come up heads, you get into Bancroft. Otherwise, Dorothy Height. And if at DH, you're waitlisted at Breakthrough and 75% likely to get off the waitlist by October.



- Lottery Stats Person



This is bad advice. Do not list based on your likelihood of getting in. List in order of preference.

Also, isn't OP's chance of getting into Bancroft PK3 is higher than 25%, because that doesn't account for the people matched in the initial lottery? Or were there only people w/sibling preference matched?


While you are right about listing in order of preference, if your preferences aren't strong this is useful information.

We did a list strictly order of preference. We got into our number 3 choice, because it was much easier to get into than almost every school below it. Those schools vanished, of course. Then we decided we weren't so hot on school #3 but it was too late. We almost got into #1 school but didn't.

Anyways, word to the wise be very conscious of things like this when you list, and if you really don't have a strong preference, either use proximity or follow this stats advice and list in logical order of chances, or some combination of the two.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are in bounds for Bancroft. My kid is currently at a private english-speaking preschool, and we'll continue there until K, if necessary (but I would prefer to her start spanish before K, if possible).

Our main priorities are (1) spanish and (2) proximity to Mt. Pleasant. I realize that we're in a good position, because we're excited about our inbounds school. We are going to list Bancroft as #1. I'm not sure how to order the rest of our list, which just consists of nearby schools with bilingual or immersion programs. I realize that we don't have a great shot at any of these, but I figured I'd get some advice.

In what order would you put these schools and are there any we are missing?

Oyster Adams
Marie Reed
HD Cooke
Powell
Mundo Verde (bus from Mt. P)
Bruce Monroe
Breakthrough
Dorothy Height
Cook
Tubman
Bethune


Some of what I say is repeating things said above. I can comment on the DCPS schools.

Drop Oyster, Powell (no PK3).
Any school with inbounds kids on waitlist (check DCPS lottery stats) you have zero chance of getting in, so don't give a spot unless you have extra slots and want to hail mary.
- Marie Reed Dual, English dominant: no chance OOB
- Marie Reed English only - just checked, no chance: 2018 30 inbounds applied, 12 waitlisted.
- Cooke (only one): 2018 0 Proximity kids got in during lottery, but I bet a few came off waitlist. If you have prox preference, list them (list them first). W/out prox, probably not worth it.
- Tubman: like Cooke, check stats, very unlikely but non-zero. List near top.
- Bruce-Monroe: more like Marie Reed, really almost no chance. drop
Bethune is in Brookland.
Everyone gets in to Dorothy Height, so any school listed below this will be a wasted spot
I really appreciate your desire to do DCPS schools.

Also: Bancroft last year 7/42 inbounds kids got in after the lottery. Probably 10 total after movement. So figure your odds this year for Bancroft are about 25% (1 in four).

Mundo Verde went about 50 PK3 kids down the waitlist, with 600 applicants. So they're about 1 in ten chance. If you list them after Bancroft, you'll either get into Bancroft or you won't get in to either school given way lottery numbers work.

Breakthrough is an odd case. 45/215 got it after lottery. But by October, 170 total had been offered spots. So if you are willing to wait...

-----

The core of your list is therefore:

Bancroft (1 in 4)
HD Cooke (unlikely)
Breakthrough (1 in 5 right after lottery)
Bethune (new to the lottery in 2019, so I can't estimate your chances - anyone have data?)
Tubman (unlikely)
Dorothy Height (basically guaranteed)

Leaving out Bethune which we can't estimate, you're flipping two coins and if both come up heads, you get into Bancroft. Otherwise, Dorothy Height. And if at DH, you're waitlisted at Breakthrough and 75% likely to get off the waitlist by October.



- Lottery Stats Person



This is bad advice. Do not list based on your likelihood of getting in. List in order of preference.

Also, isn't OP's chance of getting into Bancroft PK3 is higher than 25%, because that doesn't account for the people matched in the initial lottery? Or were there only people w/sibling preference matched?


The PP you are responding to misspoke. 7 non-siblings matched in the initial lottery. 3 got in off the waitlist. BTW, these numbers reflect only the English dominant applicants. It's really 7/21 matched in the initial lottery. As far as I know, 3 total students (not sure if English or Spanish dominant) got in off the waitlist. At least one of these students was a sibling of a newly enrolled K student, and this is a pretty common occurrence at Bancroft because so many IB kids don't get in until K.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
While you are right about listing in order of preference, if your preferences aren't strong this is useful information.

We did a list strictly order of preference. We got into our number 3 choice, because it was much easier to get into than almost every school below it. Those schools vanished, of course. Then we decided we weren't so hot on school #3 but it was too late. We almost got into #1 school but didn't.

Anyways, word to the wise be very conscious of things like this when you list, and if you really don't have a strong preference, either use proximity or follow this stats advice and list in logical order of chances, or some combination of the two.


I'm Lottery Stats Person above, thanks for this.

Yes, list in order of preference. But for expectation-setting, you should know when you enter the lottery with a list like the one in the OP, you're likely to end up in either Bancroft or in Dorothy Height. Putting a difficult lottery school below an easier lottery school makes it really unlikely you'll get the difficult school. (The first time we entered the lottery, PK3 for my son a few years ago, we ended up about number 300 on Ross's OOB waitlist. I would have done the list differently that year if I knew the odds.)

Re: the Bancroft probability - I just ballparked it at 1 in 4. All the numbers I gave above are technically the odds if you had put this list in LAST year, and thus just approximations for this year's lottery. They're guidelines for expectation-setting and planning, not true probabilities. And the numbers of slots and kids are small, so they are easily changed by fluctuations from year to year, etc.

Hopefully OP can look up the numbers themselves, if interested in figuring out how likely they are to get into Bancroft straight up, and how likely they are to get in later during the year. It's probably also worth talking to Bancroft itself to make sure they aren't opening or closing any classes for next year. (I vaguely remember hearing a rumor Bancroft was doing something new with ECE next school year.)
Anonymous
p.s. I used the 2018 numbers for English dominant.
If you're a Spanish dominant family who wants bilingual Spanish/English ed you have many more possibilities because there are fewer Spanish dominant families in DC entering the lottery.
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