Westbrook and relatively low PARCC test scores

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Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

Eh. People look at demographics, and then use test scores to justify the decision to live in highly segregated neighborhoods like the one that feeds into Westbrook. You'll notice folks are much more comfortable with low test scores when the percentage of white and Asian kids is higher.

It's basically a logical fallacy. If a school full of upper middle class white and Asian kids has low test scores (ahemWhitman), then it is because the test is stupid, the kids are too smart to bother with it, and the school doesn't teach to the test anyway.

But if a school full of working class Black and Latinx kids has low test scores, it is because there is no culture of excellence in those communities.

So do people agree that schools like Westbrook is considered a good school just because of its racial/socioeconomic demographics although the test scores do not back it up.

I agree that conventional wisdom holds that it is a good school, because conventional wisdom holds that the most important thing about a school is that it be sufficiently segregated. However, were I a Westbrook parent, I'd have a lot of questions about why nearby schools with identical demographics have higher scores.

Yes, what makes that school "deficient"? Is it that the teachers are not as good; morale is low because admin is terrible and so the teachers don't care; do the parents not care about academics as much?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

hahahhahahhaha.

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Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

Eh. People look at demographics, and then use test scores to justify the decision to live in highly segregated neighborhoods like the one that feeds into Westbrook. You'll notice folks are much more comfortable with low test scores when the percentage of white and Asian kids is higher.

It's basically a logical fallacy. If a school full of upper middle class white and Asian kids has low test scores (ahemWhitman), then it is because the test is stupid, the kids are too smart to bother with it, and the school doesn't teach to the test anyway.

But if a school full of working class Black and Latinx kids has low test scores, it is because there is no culture of excellence in those communities.

pp here... I agree with you. It's like saying "poll numbers are accurate when the approval numbers for me are high, but it's not accurate when the numbers are low".

No it's saying smart kids know how to prioritize their time. If you have 3 AP tests, an PSAT or SAT plus your travel team sport and then some silly FOUR DAYS OF PARCC TESTING so your county gets its common core funds to funnel to ESOL programs, guess what comes in dead last. PARCC testing.

[Anonymous]

But didn't MCPS get rid of final exams so smart students could "focus on the PARCC exams" in May?

I still wouldn't put an ounce of brainpower into it. conserve energy for other things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

Eh. People look at demographics, and then use test scores to justify the decision to live in highly segregated neighborhoods like the one that feeds into Westbrook. You'll notice folks are much more comfortable with low test scores when the percentage of white and Asian kids is higher.

It's basically a logical fallacy. If a school full of upper middle class white and Asian kids has low test scores (ahemWhitman), then it is because the test is stupid, the kids are too smart to bother with it, and the school doesn't teach to the test anyway.

But if a school full of working class Black and Latinx kids has low test scores, it is because there is no culture of excellence in those communities.

So do people agree that schools like Westbrook is considered a good school just because of its racial/socioeconomic demographics although the test scores do not back it up.

Go take a tour of westbrook when school is in session, attend a PTA mtg and talk to some parents in the neighborhood if you want to know anything about a school.

Just hearing that a school or school district (esp one this gigantic, think twice about county-run public school districts, seriously!) is "good" is meaningless. Ask what makes it good. Why is it good?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

Eh. People look at demographics, and then use test scores to justify the decision to live in highly segregated neighborhoods like the one that feeds into Westbrook. You'll notice folks are much more comfortable with low test scores when the percentage of white and Asian kids is higher.

It's basically a logical fallacy. If a school full of upper middle class white and Asian kids has low test scores (ahemWhitman), then it is because the test is stupid, the kids are too smart to bother with it, and the school doesn't teach to the test anyway.

But if a school full of working class Black and Latinx kids has low test scores, it is because there is no culture of excellence in those communities.

So do people agree that schools like Westbrook is considered a good school just because of its racial/socioeconomic demographics although the test scores do not back it up.

I agree that conventional wisdom holds that it is a good school, because conventional wisdom holds that the most important thing about a school is that it be sufficiently segregated. However, were I a Westbrook parent, I'd have a lot of questions about why nearby schools with identical demographics have higher scores.

Yes, what makes that school "deficient"? Is it that the teachers are not as good; morale is low because admin is terrible and so the teachers don't care; do the parents not care about academics as much?

a school is merely a function of the Student Body, Community, Teachers and Curriculum.
In my school I'd give that an A, A, A-, and C+.
We supplement the holes and request all completed work back, then go from there.

Magnet programs I'd give an A, B+ (disparate community from miles around), A, A.

Schools with chronically poor performance I'd give a C, C, A- and C+. A lot is family culture. If you consider school the only education your child is receiving and use it as a babysitting meal ticket, and do not reinforce working hard, staying out of trouble, and getting good grades at home... your children will not either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

Eh. People look at demographics, and then use test scores to justify the decision to live in highly segregated neighborhoods like the one that feeds into Westbrook. You'll notice folks are much more comfortable with low test scores when the percentage of white and Asian kids is higher.

It's basically a logical fallacy. If a school full of upper middle class white and Asian kids has low test scores (ahemWhitman), then it is because the test is stupid, the kids are too smart to bother with it, and the school doesn't teach to the test anyway.

But if a school full of working class Black and Latinx kids has low test scores, it is because there is no culture of excellence in those communities.

pp here... I agree with you. It's like saying "poll numbers are accurate when the approval numbers for me are high, but it's not accurate when the numbers are low".

No it's saying smart kids know how to prioritize their time. If you have 3 AP tests, an PSAT or SAT plus your travel team sport and then some silly FOUR DAYS OF PARCC TESTING so your county gets its common core funds to funnel to ESOL programs, guess what comes in dead last. PARCC testing.

lol... stop with the apologetics already.

Westbrook is an elementary school; not HS. They don't have finals and AP classes. LOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But didn't MCPS get rid of final exams so smart students could "focus on the PARCC exams" in May?

I still wouldn't put an ounce of brainpower into it. conserve energy for other things.

Riiiigght...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

Eh. People look at demographics, and then use test scores to justify the decision to live in highly segregated neighborhoods like the one that feeds into Westbrook. You'll notice folks are much more comfortable with low test scores when the percentage of white and Asian kids is higher.

It's basically a logical fallacy. If a school full of upper middle class white and Asian kids has low test scores (ahemWhitman), then it is because the test is stupid, the kids are too smart to bother with it, and the school doesn't teach to the test anyway.

But if a school full of working class Black and Latinx kids has low test scores, it is because there is no culture of excellence in those communities.

pp here... I agree with you. It's like saying "poll numbers are accurate when the approval numbers for me are high, but it's not accurate when the numbers are low".

No it's saying smart kids know how to prioritize their time. If you have 3 AP tests, an PSAT or SAT plus your travel team sport and then some silly FOUR DAYS OF PARCC TESTING so your county gets its common core funds to funnel to ESOL programs, guess what comes in dead last. PARCC testing.

lol... stop with the apologetics already.

Westbrook is an elementary school; not HS. They don't have finals and AP classes. LOL.

It's the Whitman parents, explaining their abysmal test score performance. Just repeat and repeat the defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

Eh. People look at demographics, and then use test scores to justify the decision to live in highly segregated neighborhoods like the one that feeds into Westbrook. You'll notice folks are much more comfortable with low test scores when the percentage of white and Asian kids is higher.

It's basically a logical fallacy. If a school full of upper middle class white and Asian kids has low test scores (ahemWhitman), then it is because the test is stupid, the kids are too smart to bother with it, and the school doesn't teach to the test anyway.

But if a school full of working class Black and Latinx kids has low test scores, it is because there is no culture of excellence in those communities.

pp here... I agree with you. It's like saying "poll numbers are accurate when the approval numbers for me are high, but it's not accurate when the numbers are low".

No it's saying smart kids know how to prioritize their time. If you have 3 AP tests, an PSAT or SAT plus your travel team sport and then some silly FOUR DAYS OF PARCC TESTING so your county gets its common core funds to funnel to ESOL programs, guess what comes in dead last. PARCC testing.

lol... stop with the apologetics already.

Westbrook is an elementary school; not HS. They don't have finals and AP classes. LOL.

It's the Whitman parents, explaining their abysmal test score performance. Just repeat and repeat the defense.

Westbrook feeds to BCC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are PARCC scores out already for this past school year? I agree PARCC is pretty pointless especially when you don't get the scores back until AFTER your child has moved to the next grade. NWEA MAP is truly reflective.

yet, so many parents look at school ratings, which are in part based on parcc scores around here, to determine what schools are "good".

Eh. People look at demographics, and then use test scores to justify the decision to live in highly segregated neighborhoods like the one that feeds into Westbrook. You'll notice folks are much more comfortable with low test scores when the percentage of white and Asian kids is higher.

It's basically a logical fallacy. If a school full of upper middle class white and Asian kids has low test scores (ahemWhitman), then it is because the test is stupid, the kids are too smart to bother with it, and the school doesn't teach to the test anyway.

But if a school full of working class Black and Latinx kids has low test scores, it is because there is no culture of excellence in those communities.

pp here... I agree with you. It's like saying "poll numbers are accurate when the approval numbers for me are high, but it's not accurate when the numbers are low".

No it's saying smart kids know how to prioritize their time. If you have 3 AP tests, an PSAT or SAT plus your travel team sport and then some silly FOUR DAYS OF PARCC TESTING so your county gets its common core funds to funnel to ESOL programs, guess what comes in dead last. PARCC testing.

lol... stop with the apologetics already.

Westbrook is an elementary school; not HS. They don't have finals and AP classes. LOL.

It's the Whitman parents, explaining their abysmal test score performance. Just repeat and repeat the defense.

Westbrook feeds to BCC.

Yes, I know that, but it's the argument that the Whitman parents make in defending their poor standardized test scores applied to Westbrook. Their kids are too smart to take the test seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But didn't MCPS get rid of final exams so smart students could "focus on the PARCC exams" in May?

I still wouldn't put an ounce of brainpower into it. conserve energy for other things.

Hm.. well, I guess if you don't care about having your kid get into a magnet program, then sure, ignore PARCC. But, if you do want to have your DC try for magnet, then you would want them to do well on PARCC. Also, I'm thinking that schools use PARCC score for other things, like maybe compacted math placement,etc...

We aren't talking about HS here. Westbrook is an ES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But didn't MCPS get rid of final exams so smart students could "focus on the PARCC exams" in May?

I still wouldn't put an ounce of brainpower into it. conserve energy for other things.

Hm.. well, I guess if you don't care about having your kid get into a magnet program, then sure, ignore PARCC. But, if you do want to have your DC try for magnet, then you would want them to do well on PARCC. Also, I'm thinking that schools use PARCC score for other things, like maybe compacted math placement,etc...

We aren't talking about HS here. Westbrook is an ES.

A lot of BCC cluster parents don't want their kids to have to travel to a magnet school, especially at the elementary school level. Too far away.

[Anonymous]

The point is that PARCC may be a bad indicator of the quality of education being provided at a given school. I think it probably is. However, if PARCC is a bad indicator of Westbrook's quality, then it is also a bad indicator of the quality of schools with higher scores, and those with lower scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is that PARCC may be a bad indicator of the quality of education being provided at a given school. I think it probably is. However, if PARCC is a bad indicator of Westbrook's quality, then it is also a bad indicator of the quality of schools with higher scores, and those with lower scores.

Anyone know where can you see school test scores over time?