Another racist incident after some Gavin de Becker fan followed her gut

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

Stereotype much? Do you not see the irony in your rant?

[Anonymous]

Sales bout to go thru the roof.
I’m gonna buy a couple of these shirts for those teens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does it have to do with Gavin de Becker? Did the mother cite him as the reason she spoke up? If not, leave him tf out of this!

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. It's standard practice in law enforcement to encourage people that "if you see something, say something." It's a recipe for racism and bigotry, don't you think? We have our biases, unconscious or not, and we are encouraged to act on them by calling police.

Where's the appropriate, accurate middle ground here, and how do we get there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. It's standard practice in law enforcement to encourage people that "if you see something, say something." It's a recipe for racism and bigotry, don't you think? We have our biases, unconscious or not, and we are encouraged to act on them by calling police.

Where's the appropriate, accurate middle ground here, and how do we get there?

Was thinking the same thing.

[Anonymous]

If you apply the “if you see something, say something” with regard to mass shootings, um, that’d be white men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you make a good point. “Gut” feelings are affected by bias. And white people’s discomfort around brown people should not be handled by removing the brown people from the scene. Jeez.

5:47, I’m going to look into the boarding schools you mention. But I’m curious why you were testy with the OP and didn’t engage her point. She doesn’t seem like the enemy here....

Probably because he’s a troll.

I’m not a troll. There are plenty of us still around, it gets old and tiring having to explain. I’m not going to explain to you why it’s offensive, and I don’t need you to explain to me why I shouldn’t be offended. I don’t think the OP is a racist or horrible person. But people in 2018 still need to be hand held about the native population of this country. Educate yourself. Would you speak like that to other minority populations? Probably not.

Indian Boarding Schools (it’s a term of art, so google that exact phrase) have a horrible history. It was the white man’s way to take children, especially from (but not exclusively from) reservations at a very young age, send them to religious boarding schools where their hair was cut, they were forced to dress in European style clothes, renamed, taught English, taught Christianity, forbidden to speak their native tongue, separated from their families and tribal culture, beaten, abused, and barely educated at all. Basically, take the “Indian” out of them and force them to be white, so that when they graduated and returned to their families they would have nothing in common. These children were forced to attend. Go to YouTube and watch videos under Indian Boarding Schools. Many baby boomers wee victims to this structure, they learned to deal with discipline with physical violence and other abuse, they weren’t raised in regular homes with their families. So when they went back, grew up, got married, had a family, they had no reference to how to raised kids other than what happened to them at these schools. And here starts the pattern of domestic violence in native populations, and the beat goes on......

The Santa Fe Indian Boarding School has been owned by a consortium of pueblos for 20 years. And there's no monolithic answer about what to call Native people. Plenty still use Indian. The most polite thing would be to use someone's actual tribe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

Get with the program, because we don’t like to be called “Indian”. We are not from Asia.

And what is horrible is that the younger brother goes to an Indian boarding school. I cannot believe there are still some in existence. Google them if you aren’t familiar with them.

...except the "Indian School" the younger brother goes to has been held in trust by the nineteen Pueblo Governors of New Mexico since 2000. The Pueblos have complete educational sovereignty of the school. Looking at their website, the education isn't one of 'assimilation'.

I wonder, though, if 'Indian" is such an offensive term, why do the Pueblos continue to use the term? They also use the term 'Native' and "Native American" on their site but seems they don't find the term 'Indian" offensive. Seems your opinion isn't universal.

https://www.sfis.k12.nm.us/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. It's standard practice in law enforcement to encourage people that "if you see something, say something." It's a recipe for racism and bigotry, don't you think? We have our biases, unconscious or not, and we are encouraged to act on them by calling police.

Where's the appropriate, accurate middle ground here, and how do we get there?

Was thinking the same thing.

The appropriate middle ground is basing your reporting on actions not physical appearance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sales bout to go thru the roof.
I’m gonna buy a couple of these shirts for those teens.

is that for real?

I'm a petite Asian woman, and I think I'd wear that shirt around Trumpsters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you apply the “if you see something, say something” with regard to mass shootings, um, that’d be white men.

+1 every time I see a white man with a duffel bag or backpack in a crowded place, I should call the police.

[Anonymous]

My brothers, college aged with longish hair, were driving cross country and were stopped for speeding. The cop then requested backup, got a drug sniffing dog and proceeded to search, pulling out the spare tire and everything, looking for drugs. They didn't have any drugs and after a couple of hours they were let go. Sometimes you are targeted for not looking clean cut. The woman was crazy but the cops at the college tour should have handled it better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So it’s racism if people happen to be minorities... even if the “racist” didn’t know they were minorities? I think these kids could pass as white. They look like some of the really “weird” white kids I went to school with. And if I saw two guys show up late to an organized group somewhere wearing all black, death metal (or whatever) clothes, refusing to give names and just skulking around... yeah I might be suspicious or nervous too unless I knew the tour organizer had checked them off as signed up. Would I call the cops? Probably not, but mostly because I am not assertive. But I would be whispering to DH and we might quietly leave.

I don’t think this woman did the right thing necessarily, but I don’t know that it was racism. Why wasn’t it sexist?

911 call shows she thought they were Hispanic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My brothers, college aged with longish hair, were driving cross country and were stopped for speeding. The cop then requested backup, got a drug sniffing dog and proceeded to search, pulling out the spare tire and everything, looking for drugs. They didn't have any drugs and after a couple of hours they were let go. Sometimes you are targeted for not looking clean cut. The woman was crazy but the cops at the college tour should have handled it better.

Video of the stop is on Twitter. The cops seemed okay to me but they should have helped the teens get back to their group. I fault the caller completely. While I understand her anxiety about mass shooters in this day and age, she said the young men were *lying* about their intended majors. And she’s never met a teenager boy who was uncomfortable taking to an adult stranger before? What is wrong with her?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. It's standard practice in law enforcement to encourage people that "if you see something, say something." It's a recipe for racism and bigotry, don't you think? We have our biases, unconscious or not, and we are encouraged to act on them by calling police.

Where's the appropriate, accurate middle ground here, and how do we get there?

I have the same question. I am very careful about calling the police these days.