Another racist incident after some Gavin de Becker fan followed her gut

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you apply the “if you see something, say something” with regard to mass shootings, um, that’d be white men.

+1 every time I see a white man with a duffel bag or backpack in a crowded place, I should call the police.

I actually am more scared of seeing a 20-something white male with a large duffel bag or heavy coat when it's warm outside than I would if the man was black or Hispanic. I'm not going to call the police, but I am going to leave the area if possible. At a minimum I position myself near the exit if I can't leave.

And yes, I realize I'm paranoid.

[Anonymous]

https://safety.colostate.edu/

Scroll to the bottom and you can hear the scared white woman herself ("they actually made me feel sick") on the 911 call

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. It's standard practice in law enforcement to encourage people that "if you see something, say something." It's a recipe for racism and bigotry, don't you think? We have our biases, unconscious or not, and we are encouraged to act on them by calling police.

Where's the appropriate, accurate middle ground here, and how do we get there?

I have the same question. I am very careful about calling the police these days.

Just use common sense. Don't be afraid to call the police because you might offend someone. All of these stories are blown out of proportion by the media, resulting in every liberal thinking that POC are run out of Starbucks on a daily basis by KKK members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

Get with the program, because we don’t like to be called “Indian”. We are not from Asia.

And what is horrible is that the younger brother goes to an Indian boarding school. I cannot believe there are still some in existence. Google them if you aren’t familiar with them.

My apologies, but last time I referred to someone as "Native American" (in my workplace) I was told with the same amount of disdain you are currently displaying that the proper term of address was "Indian from the --- tribe.

I guess I will just continue to offend.

This is my understanding as well- the museum is calledMuseum of the American Indian.

NP. We've had this discussion before. As someone of Indian/Southasian decent, I completely don't understand using the term "Indian" to refer to tribes in the US. It was an ignorant misnomer - why continue to use it?

I have heard the criticism around 'Native American' but it still seems like a MUCH better term than calling tribes "Indian" - which refer to South Asians and the Indian Subcontinent.

That said, the woman is a moron. I hope someone outs her hateful idiocy.

Mexicans with mayan, aztec, or apache in them have no issue being called indian or indio. This PC about it is ridiculous

[Anonymous]

This has NO relationship to Gavin de Becker, whose books are great and teach the opposite of what happened here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This has NO relationship to Gavin de Becker, whose books are great and teach the opposite of what happened here.

But which are regularly misinterpreted to mean that you should trust your slightest suspicion that people are suspicious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This has NO relationship to Gavin de Becker, whose books are great and teach the opposite of what happened here.

I agree. Reading some De Becker stuff actually put me on a path to learning about how to overcome implicit bias. He explains the kinds of situations actual criminals take advantage of and what to avoid. It lead me to being more analytical about threat assessment, not to just "go with my gut." The direct result of this was that I learned to actually LOOK AT people and situations rather than just my gut.

[Anonymous]

These sound like polite kids. I grew up in Canada in an area with large First Nations populations and it is difficult to engage them as an outsider; they would appear shy, stone-faces with a flat affect to those who don’t know them. My heart breaks that she said they were making her feel sick. There are no better people than First Nations people. I hope they continue w university plans.

They didnt act the way this woman wanted them to-the way she would have been comfortable. Whereas their behaviour would have made me feel more comfortable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sales bout to go thru the roof.
I’m gonna buy a couple of these shirts for those teens.

is that for real?

I'm a petite Asian woman, and I think I'd wear that shirt around Trumpsters.

Lol, of course, amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CWGC681

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. It's standard practice in law enforcement to encourage people that "if you see something, say something." It's a recipe for racism and bigotry, don't you think? We have our biases, unconscious or not, and we are encouraged to act on them by calling police.

Where's the appropriate, accurate middle ground here, and how do we get there?

I have the same question. I am very careful about calling the police these days.

Just use common sense. Don't be afraid to call the police because you might offend someone. All of these stories are blown out of proportion by the media, resulting in every liberal thinking that POC are run out of Starbucks on a daily basis by KKK members.

Wow...so you think all these incidents are being blown out of proportion?
You don’t think these stories are just being reported to shed light on the pervasiveness of racial profiling and the frequency with which incidents occur across this country when POC are not just perceived as threats but actually investigated and interrogated by authorities simply because they’re black/brown?
I mean these incidents ARE happening these calls to the cops aren’t fabricated and these confrontations with the police aren’t imaginary - it IS happening.
The insinuation that it’s KKK extremists doing it is the fabrication.
The notion that it’s Skinheads and neo-Nazis doing it is the fairytale.
No it’s average everyday regular people with implicit biases and subconscious suspicions doing it and that’s the purpose of reporting these stories to shed light on the warped mindset of average everyday regular people.
It’s wrong.
I’m sure you have no qualms with so many having this mentality because it doesn’t adversely affect you but it affects millions of POC daily. Do they not matter?
Are you on the, “They need to just deal with it” bandwagon?
How else do you expect to address and correct this predisposition of prejudice if it’s not reported?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. It's standard practice in law enforcement to encourage people that "if you see something, say something." It's a recipe for racism and bigotry, don't you think? We have our biases, unconscious or not, and we are encouraged to act on them by calling police.

Where's the appropriate, accurate middle ground here, and how do we get there?

I have the same question. I am very careful about calling the police these days.

Just use common sense. Don't be afraid to call the police because you might offend someone. All of these stories are blown out of proportion by the media, resulting in every liberal thinking that POC are run out of Starbucks on a daily basis by KKK members.

I do use common sense and my common sense tells me that calling the police on someone who is actually not a threat could get that person killed. Very unlikely to be sure but still possible - and more possible than I ever realized back in the day before cell phone videos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has NO relationship to Gavin de Becker, whose books are great and teach the opposite of what happened here.

I agree. Reading some De Becker stuff actually put me on a path to learning about how to overcome implicit bias. He explains the kinds of situations actual criminals take advantage of and what to avoid. It lead me to being more analytical about threat assessment, not to just "go with my gut." The direct result of this was that I learned to actually LOOK AT people and situations rather than just my gut.

Agree. I do some profiling in that I notice groups of young people and watch them more closely but I always look at their body language and wha they’re doing to ascertain whether I should be concerned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two Indian kids (Mohawk tribe) thrown out of a college tour because a mother was "nervous" about them being too quiet and just looking wrong.

When are white middle class Americans going to realize that their "gut" is racist, bigoted, and just plain wrong?

https://wtop.com/living/2018/05/native-american-blames-discrimination-in-campus-ordeal/

I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. It's standard practice in law enforcement to encourage people that "if you see something, say something." It's a recipe for racism and bigotry, don't you think? We have our biases, unconscious or not, and we are encouraged to act on them by calling police.

Where's the appropriate, accurate middle ground here, and how do we get there?

I have the same question. I am very careful about calling the police these days.

Just use common sense. Don't be afraid to call the police because you might offend someone. All of these stories are blown out of proportion by the media, resulting in every liberal thinking that POC are run out of Starbucks on a daily basis by KKK members.

Wow...so you think all these incidents are being blown out of proportion?
You don’t think these stories are just being reported to shed light on the pervasiveness of racial profiling and the frequency with which incidents occur across this country when POC are not just perceived as threats but actually investigated and interrogated by authorities simply because they’re black/brown?
I mean these incidents ARE happening these calls to the cops aren’t fabricated and these confrontations with the police aren’t imaginary - it IS happening.
The insinuation that it’s KKK extremists doing it is the fabrication.
The notion that it’s Skinheads and neo-Nazis doing it is the fairytale.
No it’s average everyday regular people with implicit biases and subconscious suspicions doing it and that’s the purpose of reporting these stories to shed light on the warped mindset of average everyday regular people.
It’s wrong.
I’m sure you have no qualms with so many having this mentality because it doesn’t adversely affect you but it affects millions of POC daily. Do they not matter?
Are you on the, “They need to just deal with it” bandwagon?
How else do you expect to address and correct this predisposition of prejudice if it’s not reported?

Get off your high horse.

Your just as prejudiced as everybody else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has NO relationship to Gavin de Becker, whose books are great and teach the opposite of what happened here.

I agree. Reading some De Becker stuff actually put me on a path to learning about how to overcome implicit bias. He explains the kinds of situations actual criminals take advantage of and what to avoid. It lead me to being more analytical about threat assessment, not to just "go with my gut." The direct result of this was that I learned to actually LOOK AT people and situations rather than just my gut.

OP here. I agree that De Becker, as written, is brilliant. However, "The Gift of Fear" is constantly cited and relied on by DCUM posters as a justification for calling the police, the principal, the "authorities" and for "trusting your gut" that so and so is a child molester, a pervert, a thief, a criminal. As you know, that's NOT De Becker's message. It's a perversion of his message.

[Anonymous]

Why is this woman's identity being protected? They need to out her, so she can explain what she found so scary about some teenagers looking to get educated.