Is it easier getting into top colleges from public vs. private schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:same slices from each. Top 10% similar set of Ivies, top 10-25% similar set of competitive colleges, middle section same again, bottom of privates still go to college but bottom of publics might not go to a 4 yr.

No college acceptance advantage from top public HS versus top private HS.

There are other advantages to privates, and some only to publics.

Best thing would be to move to N Dakota or something.

Big 3 have more like 20-25% going to Ivies+ and the entire top half of every class goes to one of most selective colleges on Barron's list. But that's because of the completely different financial profile of their students. Very few Big 3 families will turn down a top tier school to go to UMD or UVA but that is a common decision for many families at public schools.

They also have a much higher proportion of legacies. That's who actually has an "unfair advantage."

How is it unfair? A good friend of mine attended Harvard as did both her parents (where they met). Each of her parents demonstrated the intellect and fortitude to get in, take part and graduate successfully from that college. The chance that their child would be as successful, are extremely high. Its a good bet for the college to take the bright minded off spring of ex students. It makes perfect sense.

I am not a legacy anywhere in this country nor will my kids benefit from where their parents attended college -only in the traditional sense of what we have achieved directly as a result of our educations.

It’s not about intellect. It’s about money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Best thing would be to move to N Dakota or something."

This is not a short cut. All it does is move a large chunk of the work from HS to while you are at the Ivy.

Part of the reason to go to a solid HS and take the rigorous classes is to build a solid education.

You might get into and get though an Ivy from a school that offers no AP/IB classes but getting through an Ivy is easier if you learn more in HS.

Sorry but this is nonsense. The top Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc all graduate 90%+ of their students. Getting in is the hardest part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Best thing would be to move to N Dakota or something."

This is not a short cut. All it does is move a large chunk of the work from HS to while you are at the Ivy.

Part of the reason to go to a solid HS and take the rigorous classes is to build a solid education.

You might get into and get though an Ivy from a school that offers no AP/IB classes but getting through an Ivy is easier if you learn more in HS.

Sorry but this is nonsense. The top Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc all graduate 90%+ of their students. Getting in is the hardest part.

Agree. There are fine schools in every part of this country. I went to a public high school in a small town in flyover country and made better grades in college than most of the private school kids in my class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Best thing would be to move to N Dakota or something."

This is not a short cut. All it does is move a large chunk of the work from HS to while you are at the Ivy.

Part of the reason to go to a solid HS and take the rigorous classes is to build a solid education.

You might get into and get though an Ivy from a school that offers no AP/IB classes but getting through an Ivy is easier if you learn more in HS.

Sorry but this is nonsense. The top Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc all graduate 90%+ of their students. Getting in is the hardest part.

Agree. There are fine schools in every part of this country. I went to a public high school in a small town in flyover country and made better grades in college than most of the private school kids in my class.

Oh, so it is true.

[Anonymous]

Whether public or private school, you don't see a meaningful difference in acceptance rates for top colleges until you get to HS's that really stand out from the pack. That means public magnets (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, the top magnets in MCPS, TJ, etc.) and really top private schools (Sidwell, the top NE boarding schools, and a couple of others). It's probably under 200 schools.

My sense is the top public magnets send kids to top colleges at roughly the same rates as the top private schools.

I went to a top NE boarding school (one that is typically ranked as #1 or #2 in the country) and if my kid wants to go to a public magnet school (and gets in), I'll consider her HS education roughly equivalent to what I got.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:same slices from each. Top 10% similar set of Ivies, top 10-25% similar set of competitive colleges, middle section same again, bottom of privates still go to college but bottom of publics might not go to a 4 yr.

No college acceptance advantage from top public HS versus top private HS.

There are other advantages to privates, and some only to publics.

Best thing would be to move to N Dakota or something.

Big 3 have more like 20-25% going to Ivies+ and the entire top half of every class goes to one of most selective colleges on Barron's list. But that's because of the completely different financial profile of their students. Very few Big 3 families will turn down a top tier school to go to UMD or UVA but that is a common decision for many families at public schools.

They also have a much higher proportion of legacies. That's who actually has an "unfair advantage."

How is it unfair? A good friend of mine attended Harvard as did both her parents (where they met). Each of her parents demonstrated the intellect and fortitude to get in, take part and graduate successfully from that college. The chance that their child would be as successful, are extremely high. Its a good bet for the college to take the bright minded off spring of ex students. It makes perfect sense.

I am not a legacy anywhere in this country nor will my kids benefit from where their parents attended college -only in the traditional sense of what we have achieved directly as a result of our educations.

It’s not about intellect. It’s about money.

Yes, it is about intellect, about top SAT and ACT scores, the highest grades in the hardest (AP) classes, unusual and committed ECs and demonstrated parental success at the college. I did not say if these two parents had been on full FA or otherwise, money was definitely not a factor. You're ignorant and bias.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For non-hooked students,

HYPSM--public>private
Columbia, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, UPenn, UChicago
WAS-- private>public
JH, GT,ND,Emory,Vandy,NW --private>>> public

Only true for URMs. Not so for Asian/white kids

Nope, I am talking about Asian/ White non hooked kids.

Then you are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For non-hooked students,

HYPSM--public>private
Columbia, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, UPenn, UChicago
WAS-- private>public
JH, GT,ND,Emory,Vandy,NW --private>>> public

Only true for URMs. Not so for Asian/white kids

Nope, I am talking about Asian/ White non hooked kids.

Then you are wrong.

That's why you are a frog which lives in small well. I think you haven't have any experience about developmental cases in competitive private schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For non-hooked students,

HYPSM--public>private
Columbia, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, UPenn, UChicago
WAS-- private>public
JH, GT,ND,Emory,Vandy,NW --private>>> public

Only true for URMs. Not so for Asian/white kids

Nope, I am talking about Asian/ White non hooked kids.

Then you are wrong.

That's why you are a frog which lives in small well. I think you haven't have any experience about developmental cases in competitive private schools.

There are lot of legacy, wealthy kids in competitive private schools. All the developmental cases are concentrated to HYPS-specially HS. It is a really important factor we can't handle.
No matter how the students is competitive as a non-hooked Asian/White kid, the acceptance of HYPS depends on how many developmental cases exist that year.
HYPS can't take all both developmental case kids and competitive non-hooked Asian/White kids in one school.

[Anonymous]

Colleges know that private schools give out A's like water, it's expected. An A at private school is a bought by the tuition. You can't compare apple to apples with private schools. Also public schools are more diversified and that better prepares students for college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges know that private schools give out A's like water, it's expected. An A at private school is a bought by the tuition. You can't compare apple to apples with private schools. Also public schools are more diversified and that better prepares students for college.

This has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges know that private schools give out A's like water, it's expected. An A at private school is a bought by the tuition. You can't compare apple to apples with private schools. Also public schools are more diversified and that better prepares students for college.

This has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever read.

nope, not even close. i've seen a lot of dumber things here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Best thing would be to move to N Dakota or something."

This is not a short cut. All it does is move a large chunk of the work from HS to while you are at the Ivy.

Part of the reason to go to a solid HS and take the rigorous classes is to build a solid education.

You might get into and get though an Ivy from a school that offers no AP/IB classes but getting through an Ivy is easier if you learn more in HS.

I went to a private in a state you might consider like ND, and went Ivy, and had to read Faust for the 3rd time in college and didn't learn much new until junior year.
Believe it or not, there are a variety of communities just like the ones here in DC land, all over this country! (gasp) Surprised you didn't notice this at college or your first couple jobs. It's a small world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For non-hooked students,

HYPSM--public>private
Columbia, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, UPenn, UChicago
WAS-- private>public
JH, GT,ND,Emory,Vandy,NW --private>>> public

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges know that private schools give out A's like water, it's expected. An A at private school is a bought by the tuition. You can't compare apple to apples with private schools. Also public schools are more diversified and that better prepares students for college.

This has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Yup, PP is a dumbass.