Michael Vick and Virginia Tech

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was initially very anti-Vick, but it really does appear that he's changed his ways and strongly regrets his previous actions. He's spent a lot of time working for animals since he's been released.

Forty dogs. Forty acts, not a single act.

A tiger doesn't change its stripes.

Disgusting.

Did you grow up in the culture that he did? I didn't either. I'm a dog owner and lover and I have moved on. 40 dogs?? How about we stop vilifying him and worry about the way more than 40 kids who are going to be food insecure today?

NP. I am worrying about the way more than 40 dogs who have no food any day, and the ones that get suffer/ get killed by trash like M Vick. For the other PP, no, I don't eat meat or wear leather, and I hate licorice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was initially very anti-Vick, but it really does appear that he's changed his ways and strongly regrets his previous actions. He's spent a lot of time working for animals since he's been released.

Forty dogs. Forty acts, not a single act.

A tiger doesn't change its stripes.

Disgusting.

Did you grow up in the culture that he did? I didn't either. I'm a dog owner and lover and I have moved on. 40 dogs?? How about we stop vilifying him and worry about the way more than 40 kids who are going to be food insecure today?

Michael Vick is not my friend, I don't even know him. I do doubt that a person who could do such cruel things to innocent, helpless animals - repeatedly - is really going to start to view animals with love and consideration.

The man should never be around a dog again. He should never own a dog, he should never be left alone with a dog and he should be forbidden from even touching a dog ever again. He probably shouldn't be around any animals at all actually.

That may seem harsh and unforgiving of me but I simply see no reason to believe that he will ever care about animals. If he wants to atone for his mistakes he can give speeches about the evils of dog fighting and how his participation in it wrecked his life.

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He's done that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even after a debt to society has been paid. There are certain crimes that shouldn't allow the criminal to participate in certain things. These dogs were as innocent as children. If he had done this to children and "paid his debt" to society. Would we allow him to work with children or praise him for talking on behalf of abused kids? Think about it.

Good grief, he killed some dogs, not people. The top breeders of sporting and working dogs routinely cull their litters.
Dogs are not people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even after a debt to society has been paid. There are certain crimes that shouldn't allow the criminal to participate in certain things. These dogs were as innocent as children. If he had done this to children and "paid his debt" to society. Would we allow him to work with children or praise him for talking on behalf of abused kids? Think about it.

Good grief, he killed some dogs, not people. The top breeders of sporting and working dogs routinely cull their litters.
Dogs are not people.

Correct, and not a completely incorrect comparison; like them, Michael Vick is a dog breeder that tortures and kills animals. Difference is, they weren't up for an award that explicitly is based on this requirement:

“Must be of good character and reputation/not have been a source of embarrassment to the university in any way.”

The "top breeders" aren't subject to this standard of measurement and aren't receiving an award from VT that is ultimately at the expense of the Virginia public. Michael Vick is; he's a barbaric violent felon, from a family of felons, who has paid obviously fake lip service to being somehow "rehabilitated." What VT has done here is astounding and wrong. And also permanent.

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What he did was awful, but he has more than paid his debt to society in both the jail time, as well as in his lost financial opportunities.

I love dogs, actually way more than the next guy, but this debt was paid in full and in my book he gets to live his life.

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Anonymous wrote:I was initially very anti-Vick, but it really does appear that he's changed his ways and strongly regrets his previous actions. He's spent a lot of time working for animals since he's been released.

He executed FORTY dogs.
He "changed" only because he was caught.
Trash like him does not change. I hate him.

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Anonymous wrote:Michael Vick has paid his debt to society for the crimes he committed. He served time in prison,paid fines, has done community service, and lobbied congress for stiffer penalties for dog fighting participants and spectators. He has also endured substantial career and financial repercussions for his actions. There are many things that he did before and after the attrocious events for which he was convicted. Just like it is completely appropriate for you to not forget what he did that landed him in prison, it is important not to forget that he is a person who has also made many positive contributions to society and those should not be forgotten either. He was a stand out athelete at Virginia Tech, his being nominated for the Heisman as well as his many other accomplishments with the Hokies are significant and should not be nullified.

I don't know about you, but if all anyone ever thought about me or allowed others to remember about me was the worst thing I had ever done in my life my life would be pretty miserable. Luckily, I am not a celebrety and most people have no idea, nor do they care, about what that thing is... and I am therefore allowed to be seen as a complete complex human being. Please don't define Mike Vick (or anyone else) by there single most horrible act, that is not who they are... it is what they have done and most people learn from their mistakes and move on to make better decisions in the future.

SINGLE act???? He executed how many? FORTY dogs? What is SINGLE about it?
Nothing he ever do will compensate fear, pain, suffering and horrific deaths of these dogs. NOTHING.
If he would not get caught he would continue to execute dogs. He was sorry for only one thing - for himself been caught.
Groomed ghetto trash with money.
This thing should not be anywhere near kids and young people.

Do you eat meat? Wear leather? Enjoy licorice?

I hope not, because those animals face a way worse life and death than Vick's dog ever did, and it is directly your fault.

FU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was initially very anti-Vick, but it really does appear that he's changed his ways and strongly regrets his previous actions. He's spent a lot of time working for animals since he's been released.

He executed FORTY dogs.
He "changed" only because he was caught.
Trash like him does not change. I hate him.

+100, NP here.

He served his jail time but I have seen no evidence that he is truly remorseful for what he did. VT can do what they want, but I don't have to respect them for their decision. I am not an alumni of VT, but I know many who are truly disgusted by this choice.

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He definitely gets to live his life after "paying his debt."

The question is whether a school should hold him up as an example and honor him. I would choose one of the other thousands of alumni to honor.

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He torture and killed dogs and `was caught and paid his debt to society. He seems a changed man.

White men kill black men and in many cases, nothing is done.

I say give him the award. i believe
in second chances.

[Anonymous]

VT is haunted and has major bad luck loser karma.

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Can you imagine if this was a black man who did this? We still have so far to go in America in regard to race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Michael Vick has paid his debt to society for the crimes he committed. He served time in prison,paid fines, has done community service, and lobbied congress for stiffer penalties for dog fighting participants and spectators. He has also endured substantial career and financial repercussions for his actions. There are many things that he did before and after the attrocious events for which he was convicted. Just like it is completely appropriate for you to not forget what he did that landed him in prison, it is important not to forget that he is a person who has also made many positive contributions to society and those should not be forgotten either. He was a stand out athelete at Virginia Tech, his being nominated for the Heisman as well as his many other accomplishments with the Hokies are significant and should not be nullified.

I don't know about you, but if all anyone ever thought about me or allowed others to remember about me was the worst thing I had ever done in my life my life would be pretty miserable. Luckily, I am not a celebrety and most people have no idea, nor do they care, about what that thing is... and I am therefore allowed to be seen as a complete complex human being. Please don't define Mike Vick (or anyone else) by there single most horrible act, that is not who they are... it is what they have done and most people learn from their mistakes and move on to make better decisions in the future.

Sure he has. Good for him, too. But, his crimes were particularly cruel. And being forgiven/absolved doesn't mean we should not have to forget. He's a dirt bag in my book, and always will be. The fact that he was an athlete . . . so what? As if that trumps being a good human being? This is a shameful choice for VT. Shows where their priorities are. Sports, not character.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He definitely gets to live his life after "paying his debt."

The question is whether a school should hold him up as an example and honor him. I would choose one of the other thousands of alumni to honor.

This times a million.