Does it seem like all anti-elite college folks never actually attended an elite?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have never known a person who attended an elite college who was anti-elite either. I didn't go to an elite college but I would like my kids to go if they can.

Is it the Dunning Kruger effect where people don't have any idea or concept of what they're talking about, yet talk freely about it anyways?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

I went to a good public college and then transferred into an elite and was blown away. It wasn't possible to imagine what it was like without real exposure. Yet people that didn't attend, no kids attending, not even a sibling or spouse who attended will go on and on about how overrated prestigious colleges are.

+1 And it will always sound like sour grapes. I agree with a PP - the kids who get in deserve credit.

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Serious question: what exactly is an elite college. I know the Ivies, MIT, Stanford, University of Chicago are considered elite - but what about the Claremont Colleges or Vanderbilt?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have never known a person who attended an elite college who was anti-elite either. I didn't go to an elite college but I would like my kids to go if they can.

Is it the Dunning Kruger effect where people don't have any idea or concept of what they're talking about, yet talk freely about it anyways?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

I went to a good public college and then transferred into an elite and was blown away. It wasn't possible to imagine what it was like without real exposure. Yet people that didn't attend, no kids attending, not even a sibling or spouse who attended will go on and on about how overrated prestigious colleges are.

+1 And it will always sound like sour grapes. I agree with a PP - the kids who get in deserve credit.

Meh. Kids? If you're 18/19, sure I'll give you credit for getting into Harvard. But once you're into your career...hell no.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: what exactly is an elite college. I know the Ivies, MIT, Stanford, University of Chicago are considered elite - but what about the Claremont Colleges or Vanderbilt?

Yeah, Vandy and probably the top 10 SLACs are fairly elite.

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I don't think I'm anti-elite. I'm anti-attend the most expensive school without regard to how those student loans will impact your young life.

For those who can afford it...sure, go to an elite

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I attended a no name school. Went to work at a very prestigious tech firm. Over time you came to realize that alot of your peers went to Ivy's, MIT, and often after going to the Andovers and Exeters of the world.

Some were scary smart and many not so much. Most, if not all, didn't discuss their pedigree.

Where the differences were: is I have to work for 5-7 years in the industry to get there, and get lucky, whereas they all went straight out of undergraduate/graduate and their networks (and sometimes their parents) helped. And their resumes still smoked mine because let's face it being a Princeton grad or Yale Law school grad is pretty studly.

And the other thing - they got educated. I went to school and worked to get a degree - they went to school to get educated- big difference in mindset. And they also understood the social aspects of life amongst the successful a lot better than I did. There was a level of refinement that they had that I lacked. That all said - some of them lacked the fire in the belly and it's the fire in the belly that eventually separates the men from the boys.

But don't forget - the real money is with the drop outs lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I attended a no name school. Went to work at a very prestigious tech firm. Over time you came to realize that alot of your peers went to Ivy's, MIT, and often after going to the Andovers and Exeters of the world.

Some were scary smart and many not so much. Most, if not all, didn't discuss their pedigree.

Where the differences were: is I have to work for 5-7 years in the industry to get there, and get lucky, whereas they all went straight out of undergraduate/graduate and their networks (and sometimes their parents) helped. And their resumes still smoked mine because let's face it being a Princeton grad or Yale Law school grad is pretty studly.

And the other thing - they got educated. I went to school and worked to get a degree - they went to school to get educated- big difference in mindset. And they also understood the social aspects of life amongst the successful a lot better than I did. There was a level of refinement that they had that I lacked. That all said - some of them lacked the fire in the belly and it's the fire in the belly that eventually separates the men from the boys.

But don't forget - the real money is with the drop outs lol.

When I think of Elite I think of someone like this, parasites that retreat to potomac after extracting as much as they can.

Lawrence Lebowitz - publicly claimed the H1B laws help us workers, privately told clients how they avoided hiring us workers to hire cheaper foreign workers
Ivy League - University of Pennsylvania
https://www.cohenlaw.com/professionals/lawrence-m-lebowitz/
Example of Unethical Elite

And our goal is clearly, not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker. And you know in a sense that sounds funny, but it`s what we`re trying to do here. We are complying with the law fully, but ah, our objective is to get this person a green card, and get through the labor certification process. So certainly we are not going to try to find a place [at which to advertise the job] where the applicants are the most numerous. We`re going to try to find a place where we can comply with the law, and hoping, and likely, not to find qualified and interested worker applicants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

thousands of unethical lawyers like this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I attended a no name school. Went to work at a very prestigious tech firm. Over time you came to realize that alot of your peers went to Ivy's, MIT, and often after going to the Andovers and Exeters of the world.

Some were scary smart and many not so much. Most, if not all, didn't discuss their pedigree.

Where the differences were: is I have to work for 5-7 years in the industry to get there, and get lucky, whereas they all went straight out of undergraduate/graduate and their networks (and sometimes their parents) helped. And their resumes still smoked mine because let's face it being a Princeton grad or Yale Law school grad is pretty studly.

And the other thing - they got educated. I went to school and worked to get a degree - they went to school to get educated- big difference in mindset. And they also understood the social aspects of life amongst the successful a lot better than I did. There was a level of refinement that they had that I lacked. That all said - some of them lacked the fire in the belly and it's the fire in the belly that eventually separates the men from the boys.

But don't forget - the real money is with the drop outs lol.

They will have had this prior to college, it comes from family background not college.

[Anonymous]

In my experience, usually it's the ones who actually went to one (Harvard or Yale) who comment that it's not all that. They should know, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I attended a no name school. Went to work at a very prestigious tech firm. Over time you came to realize that alot of your peers went to Ivy's, MIT, and often after going to the Andovers and Exeters of the world.

Some were scary smart and many not so much. Most, if not all, didn't discuss their pedigree.

Where the differences were: is I have to work for 5-7 years in the industry to get there, and get lucky, whereas they all went straight out of undergraduate/graduate and their networks (and sometimes their parents) helped. And their resumes still smoked mine because let's face it being a Princeton grad or Yale Law school grad is pretty studly.

And the other thing - they got educated. I went to school and worked to get a degree - they went to school to get educated- big difference in mindset. And they also understood the social aspects of life amongst the successful a lot better than I did. There was a level of refinement that they had that I lacked. That all said - some of them lacked the fire in the belly and it's the fire in the belly that eventually separates the men from the boys.

But don't forget - the real money is with the drop outs lol.

When I think of Elite I think of someone like this, parasites that retreat to potomac after extracting as much as they can.

Lawrence Lebowitz - publicly claimed the H1B laws help us workers, privately told clients how they avoided hiring us workers to hire cheaper foreign workers
Ivy League - University of Pennsylvania
https://www.cohenlaw.com/professionals/lawrence-m-lebowitz/
Example of Unethical Elite

And our goal is clearly, not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker. And you know in a sense that sounds funny, but it`s what we`re trying to do here. We are complying with the law fully, but ah, our objective is to get this person a green card, and get through the labor certification process. So certainly we are not going to try to find a place [at which to advertise the job] where the applicants are the most numerous. We`re going to try to find a place where we can comply with the law, and hoping, and likely, not to find qualified and interested worker applicants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

thousands of unethical lawyers like this

Seriously, Dude, I didn't go to an Elite but I have no fricking clue what you are going on about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I attended a no name school. Went to work at a very prestigious tech firm. Over time you came to realize that alot of your peers went to Ivy's, MIT, and often after going to the Andovers and Exeters of the world.

Some were scary smart and many not so much. Most, if not all, didn't discuss their pedigree.

Where the differences were: is I have to work for 5-7 years in the industry to get there, and get lucky, whereas they all went straight out of undergraduate/graduate and their networks (and sometimes their parents) helped. And their resumes still smoked mine because let's face it being a Princeton grad or Yale Law school grad is pretty studly.

And the other thing - they got educated. I went to school and worked to get a degree - they went to school to get educated- big difference in mindset. And they also understood the social aspects of life amongst the successful a lot better than I did. There was a level of refinement that they had that I lacked. That all said - some of them lacked the fire in the belly and it's the fire in the belly that eventually separates the men from the boys.

But don't forget - the real money is with the drop outs lol.

When I think of Elite I think of someone like this, parasites that retreat to potomac after extracting as much as they can.

Lawrence Lebowitz - publicly claimed the H1B laws help us workers, privately told clients how they avoided hiring us workers to hire cheaper foreign workers
Ivy League - University of Pennsylvania
https://www.cohenlaw.com/professionals/lawrence-m-lebowitz/
Example of Unethical Elite

And our goal is clearly, not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker. And you know in a sense that sounds funny, but it`s what we`re trying to do here. We are complying with the law fully, but ah, our objective is to get this person a green card, and get through the labor certification process. So certainly we are not going to try to find a place [at which to advertise the job] where the applicants are the most numerous. We`re going to try to find a place where we can comply with the law, and hoping, and likely, not to find qualified and interested worker applicants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

thousands of unethical lawyers like this

Seriously, Dude, I didn't go to an Elite but I have no fricking clue what you are going on about.

Dude, how can you be that out of touch with current discussions

there have been multiple discussions and studies on how money has corrupted the elite universities,

drives home the point in chapter after chapter, picking up steam in more recent decades: Harvard, he maintains, provided the ideological underpinnings for the junk-bond-induced takeover mania and resulting scandals of the 1980s; the corporate scandals of the 2000s; the egregious increase in the pay gap between chief executives and ordinary employees; the real estate mortgage bubble and ensuing financial crisis; even the election of Donald Trump. In McDonald’s view, the school has contributed to pretty much every bad thing that has happened in American business and the economy in the last century. In the wake of whatever scandal or financial collapse or recession to which it has contributed, it wipes its hands, distances itself and still has the nerve to put forth its experts as the solution to problems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/books/review/golden-passport-duff-mcdonald.html

[Anonymous]

A big part of How to Raise an Adult concerns getting over obsession with elite colleges and how using high selectivity to rate colleges is not helpful (and results in a spiral of increased applications leading to more selectivity). It's by a former Stanford dean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think I'm anti-elite. I'm anti-attend the most expensive school without regard to how those student loans will impact your young life.

For those who can afford it...sure, go to an elite

This. I'm sure going to that your of college is a great experience and may offer a different kind of education (maybe -- read "Excellent Sheep) than a public University or other less selective college. However, I don't think it's worth going into crippling debt to go have that experience. I think generally a kid who can get into Harvard but chose their State U instead (probably an honors program at that U) because that's what they can afford is going to do perfectly fine in life. And yes, I know, low income students who get into Harvard will get a free ride, in which case definitely go there.

Also if it's free, or is you have so much money that cost is no consideration then I guess you can just go and enjoy your education and not consider outcomes. But most of us in the real world have to consider the balance between the cost of the education and the career it leads to.

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Marc Koplik - fraud
Henderson and Koplik
Education - elite
Brown University and Yale Law School

told 60 minutes how to move money off shore to shelter from taxes

Aside from that one exception, 12 out of the 13 law firms, including 15 out of the 16 lawyers, not only heard Ralph Kayser out, they suggested ways that the suspicious funds could be moved into the U.S. without compromising the minister’s identity.

Attorney James Silkenat was selected by Global Witness because at the time, he was president of the American Bar Association. Yet he and his colleague, Hugh Finnegan, provided what former prosecutors told us was a roadmap of how to conceal the source of the funds using layers of anonymous, interconnected shell companies in multiple jurisdictions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hidden-camera-investigation-money-laundering-60-minutes/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't go to an Ivy. I went to state school, and BU for law school. I'm a partner in a law firm. The partner in the office next to me went to Harvard and Duke. Yet we both wound up at the same place at the same age. Tell me again about how it matters?

Sort of depends on your firm's Vault rank. You could be an overachieving outlier and your lettered colleague could be a slacker from his Duke law class. And aside from that, it's 2017, not the 1980s. A lot has changed.

Congrats! You win for the MOST obnoxious post on the thread without contributing any value whatsoever. Keep up the great work!