New report out: Confirms that right wing extremism and violence is worse than muslims...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you look at the map at your link that details terror events, there's no documentation of the methodology they used to determine this "fact."

The headline could be true, but the methodology page is blank.

I won't believe any claim until I see evidence.

Did you actually click on the link or are you just bluffing? Because, the methodology page isn't blank. They list their sources and their definitions:

To build our Homegrown Terror database, we obtained data from a variety of sources: the Congressional Research Service, the FBI, DT Analytics, The Heritage Foundation, the Investigative Project on Terrorism, New America, Mother Jones, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Anti-Defamation League, the National Abortion Federation and the Animal Liberation Front’s own website. In addition, we set up news filters and searched journalism databases to scoop up missing incidents, using search terms such as “Islamist,” “sovereign citizen,” “Oath Keeper,” “ecoterrorism” and so on.

Through public databases and Freedom of Information Act requests, we collected primary court and law enforcement documents for almost every incident and carefully examined them, in combination with credible news coverage, to check whether each entry met the FBI criteria that define domestic terrorism. Incidents that met the definition were included, regardless of whether prosecutors filed terrorism charges. Some incidents inevitably involved judgment calls. To adjudicate those, we turned to a panel of experts: William Banks, director of the Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism at the Syracuse University College of Law; Bruce Hoffman, director of the Center for Security Studies at Georgetown University; and Daryl Johnson, former senior domestic terrorism analyst at the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis, now the owner and CEO of consulting firm DT Analytics. They provided guidance on whether to include or exclude borderline cases, such as those related to hate crimes, mental illness and confrontations with law enforcement.

In cases of mental illness, we excluded incidents only if there was no clear ideological motivation for the crime. With regard to police shootouts, we included incidents in which the targeting of police resulted from an ideological motivation. As one of our experts said, “Extremist belief systems cause individuals to be ‘attack-oriented’ rather than ‘escape-oriented,’ to use violence to attack or confront authority figures rather than flee or submit to them.” Hate crimes were included only when the perpetrator used a terrorist tactic or technique, such as an explosive device, firebomb or mass shooting.

Lastly, a note on terminology: We use the loose umbrella term “left wing” to refer to a broad range of ideologies, including animal rights, environmental and anti-racist extremists. We use the umbrella term “right wing” to encompass militia movements, as well as white supremacist, anti-government, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant and anti-abortion extremists, including radical Christians. We use the term “Islamist” to describe theocratic extremists inspired by groups such as the Taliban, al-Qaida and the Islamic State. We chose the term “Islamist,” rather than “Islamic,” in an effort to uncouple the Muslim faith from the political ideology of Islamism.

https://www.revealnews.org/article/how-we-analyzed-domestic-terror-incidents/

[Anonymous]

https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/

This is the page with the "map."

Scroll to the bottom. The link in Orange that says "See our methodology." I have clicked it multiple times and get a blank page.

[Anonymous]

Plus the inclusion of JLL as right wing is erroneous. A pp pointed that out.

It's not a good source, op.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/

This is the page with the "map."

Scroll to the bottom. The link in Orange that says "See our methodology." I have clicked it multiple times and get a blank page.

The methodology is here. http://www.revealnews.org/article/how-we-analyzed-domestic-terror-incidents/

I think they did a good job of harvesting data from sites representing multiple points of view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/

This is the page with the "map."

Scroll to the bottom. The link in Orange that says "See our methodology." I have clicked it multiple times and get a blank page.

The methodology is here. http://www.revealnews.org/article/how-we-analyzed-domestic-terror-incidents/

I think they did a good job of harvesting data from sites representing multiple points of view.

So why is Jared Lee Loughner listed as "right wing?" It's patently false.

[Anonymous]

And the FBI most wanted terrorist list which is 28 Muslims and 1 extreme left wing animal rights activist who explodes nail bombs on American soil?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/

This is the page with the "map."

Scroll to the bottom. The link in Orange that says "See our methodology." I have clicked it multiple times and get a blank page.

The methodology is here. http://www.revealnews.org/article/how-we-analyzed-domestic-terror-incidents/

I think they did a good job of harvesting data from sites representing multiple points of view.

So why is Jared Lee Loughner listed as "right wing?" It's patently false.

Loughner was mentally ill but to say "patently false" is a stretch as well.

1.) Loughner shot a Democrat (Gabby Giffords) and nearly killed her, left her severely disabled for life, and did kill a Democrat staffer. He didn't target anyone on the right.

2.) Loughner spouted right wing talking points about the gold standard taking many of them directly from the right wing "Patriot" movement and David Wynn Miller, he talked about government enslaving the people and not trusting the government, along with citing many things from Ayn Rand. Those are all far right extremist points with far more in common with the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus than with anyone on the left.

[Anonymous]

It should be noted that while Miller said he believes Loughner has looked at his website, investigators examining Loughner's computer files and phone records have thus far found no evidence that he has a specific connection to any hate or fringe group.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-does-jared-lee-loughner-believe/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the FBI most wanted terrorist list which is 28 Muslims and 1 extreme left wing animal rights activist who explodes nail bombs on American soil?

They are on the list because they are not in the US and the FBI hasn't been able to touch them. Right wing extremists in the US are easier for the FBI to catch. http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/arrest-of-neo-nazi-soldier-highlights-extremists-links-to-us-military/2326946

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...or supposed "violent liberals"

Yes, that's right. A study by the Nation Institute going back over the last 8 years found that right wing extremists have been involved in far more domestic plots and plotting than anyone else, they are twice as big of a danger to Americans than muslim extremists are.

https://www.revealnews.org/article/home-is-where-the-hate-is/

What if they went back 16 years?

What if we go back 50 years to the good ol' days of lynching?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It should be noted that while Miller said he believes Loughner has looked at his website, investigators examining Loughner's computer files and phone records have thus far found no evidence that he has a specific connection to any hate or fringe group.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-does-jared-lee-loughner-believe/

Doesn't make the case for "patently false.."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should be noted that while Miller said he believes Loughner has looked at his website, investigators examining Loughner's computer files and phone records have thus far found no evidence that he has a specific connection to any hate or fringe group.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-does-jared-lee-loughner-believe/

Doesn't make the case for "patently false.."

So where is the evidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/

This is the page with the "map."

Scroll to the bottom. The link in Orange that says "See our methodology." I have clicked it multiple times and get a blank page.

The methodology is here. http://www.revealnews.org/article/how-we-analyzed-domestic-terror-incidents/

I think they did a good job of harvesting data from sites representing multiple points of view.

So why is Jared Lee Loughner listed as "right wing?" It's patently false.

Loughner was mentally ill but to say "patently false" is a stretch as well.

1.) Loughner shot a Democrat (Gabby Giffords) and nearly killed her, left her severely disabled for life, and did kill a Democrat staffer. He didn't target anyone on the right.

2.) Loughner spouted right wing talking points about the gold standard taking many of them directly from the right wing "Patriot" movement and David Wynn Miller, he talked about government enslaving the people and not trusting the government, along with citing many things from Ayn Rand. Those are all far right extremist points with far more in common with the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus than with anyone on the left.

Loughner was mentally ill but clearly based on his rants and his attack on Democrats was far more motivated to violence by right wing rhetoric and ideology than he was by left wing rhetoric and ideology.

[Anonymous]

http://foreignaffairsreview.co.uk/2017/04/right-wing-terrorism-the-biggest-threat/

" A Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report, produced in conjunction with the FBI, documented 24 violent, right-wing domestic attacks that took place between 2010-2014, whilst a report by the New America Foundation found that of the 28 deadly home-grown terror attacks since 9/11, 18 incidents were inspired by right-wing terrorism and 10 by radical Islamic fundamentalism. The FBI is specifically tasked to investigate and prevent incidents of home-grown terrorism, the ‘domestic’ threat. In a testimony not long after 9/11, Dale L Watson, Executive Assistant Director of the FBI Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence division gave evidence before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. In this he stated that ‘at the national level, formal right-wing hate groups such as the National Alliance, the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) and the Aryan Nations, represent a continuing terrorist threat.’ He also stated that ‘right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organised right-wing extremist groups.’"

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

"At the same time, the United States also faces significant challenges from domestic terrorists. In fact, between 1980 and 2000, the FBI recorded 335 incidents or suspected incidents of terrorism in this country. Of these, 247 were attributed to domestic terrorists, while 88 were determined to be international in nature."


The reason why we haven't had mass scale white extremist attacks is because the FBI had been closely watching these groups and thwarting them. But, as a PP noted, Trump has told the FBI to no longer focus on domestic white terrorist groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/

This is the page with the "map."

Scroll to the bottom. The link in Orange that says "See our methodology." I have clicked it multiple times and get a blank page.

The methodology is here. http://www.revealnews.org/article/how-we-analyzed-domestic-terror-incidents/

I think they did a good job of harvesting data from sites representing multiple points of view.

So why is Jared Lee Loughner listed as "right wing?" It's patently false.

Loughner was mentally ill but to say "patently false" is a stretch as well.

1.) Loughner shot a Democrat (Gabby Giffords) and nearly killed her, left her severely disabled for life, and did kill a Democrat staffer. He didn't target anyone on the right.

2.) Loughner spouted right wing talking points about the gold standard taking many of them directly from the right wing "Patriot" movement and David Wynn Miller, he talked about government enslaving the people and not trusting the government, along with citing many things from Ayn Rand. Those are all far right extremist points with far more in common with the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus than with anyone on the left.

Loughner was mentally ill but clearly based on his rants and his attack on Democrats was far more motivated to violence by right wing rhetoric and ideology than he was by left wing rhetoric and ideology.

Citation?