Rezoning from Jackson to Thoreau

[Anonymous]

2018-2019 year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not as bad as Jackson overcrowding and Thoreau is under capacity and closer for all 3 schools noted. We drive by cedar (Thoreau is on cedar) on the way to Jackson. Not sure about wolf trap and westbriar issue, but both are much closer to Kilmer than Thoreau.

Thoreau is closer to both and definitely Wolftrap which is north of the center of town. They are on the north side of 123. Kilmer is over near Gallows. Both Kilmer and Thoreau were built too close together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. Why would they?

Oakton HS is more over crowded than Madison HS. and I hate split pyramids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is really a capacity and geographic issue. Why have buses drive by one school to get to another? Also, I think the county needs to seriously look at rezoning in general. Pretty much you put a thumbtack on each school and draw lines-please no more islands. Madison and Oakton both have very odd boundaries. Time to redo. SES and skin color should not play a factor.

There are very real benefits to diversity. Why on earth would you re-zone without accounting for this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
No. Why would they?

Oakton HS is more over crowded than Madison HS and I hate split pyramids.

Maybe, but Oakton is a much bigger building with more land than Madison. The idea that Madison should pick up the slack for Oakton is crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No. Why would they?

Oakton HS is more over crowded than Madison HS and I hate split pyramids.

Maybe, but Oakton is a much bigger building with more land than Madison. The idea that Madison should pick up the slack for Oakton is crazy.

Madison has one of the smallest campuses of any HS in FCPS and there are plans to expand its capacity to around 2400 kids. Good times ahead!

[Anonymous]

The crazy split pyramid lady strikes again. Give it a rest!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really a capacity and geographic issue. Why have buses drive by one school to get to another? Also, I think the county needs to seriously look at rezoning in general. Pretty much you put a thumbtack on each school and draw lines-please no more islands. Madison and Oakton both have very odd boundaries. Time to redo. SES and skin color should not play a factor.

There are very real benefits to diversity. Why on earth would you re-zone without accounting for this?

Diversity is in every school except maybe Langley, but they too have Asian, Indian, middle eastern and white. I find it unsettling that our SB creates boundaries based on demographics. People live where they want to live and ones schools should be close-no more islands! It's just so odd and seems to be based on discrimination to create a boundary based on skin color and income.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LJMS is very diverse. It pulls from FCHS zones ES that are diverse. Re zoning 3 schools won't change it as much as you think!

Diverse really means terrible

[Anonymous]

No,?diverse means a variety of races, cultures and languages.

[Anonymous]

SES does not mean diverse, though. There's no protected class based on SES.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some thoughts:

First meeting was tonight. Seems like the overwhelming input form Oakton ES was "YES -- ASAP."

If Oakton ES, Mosby Woods and the remaining part of Marshall Road are re-zoned to Thoreau, Jackson will no longer be a feeder to Oakton HS. Jackson will be feeding Falls Church only (I think). The only exception would be AAP kids zoned for Thoreau who choose Jackson. I can see why LJMS would want to keep its status as a center (to draw in some high scoring AAP kids into their mix), but socially, it might not be advantageous for the Oakton-bound AAP kids b/c they wouldn't know very many other kids when they arrive at Oakton HS. But, maybe that doesn't matter as much. The Oakton-bound AAP who go to Thoreau will have a much bigger cohort of kids moving on to HS b/c there will be about 300+ kids moving from Thoreau to Oakton.

LJMS is going to take a big hit with SES and test pass rates. But, if nothing happens, then it isn't fair to the LJMS kids either b/c they are over-crowded and the neighboring school is far under-capacity. Re-zoning based on completely neutral factors (i.e. distance, numbers, etc.) may very well have an effect that makes LJMS much less diverse and lower income. I guess that's the real effect of housing on schools (i.e. apartments = more minority, less HHI; SFH = more white, higher SES).

Seems like this will have a really negative impact on the remaining Gen Ed kids at Jackson.

As someone with a center as a base school, I disagree. Our experience with a gen ed kid at a center has been universally negative, and this idea that being an AAP center benefits the gen ed kids is a load of crap. It diverts school resources to AAP and packs more kids who need more help in fewer classrooms. We are pulling one kid from public next year because the base/center school can't meet their needs.

Thoreau was renovated/expanded with an eye to relieving overcrowding at other middle schools (Jackson and, to a lesser extent, Kilmer) and to better align the HS pyramids so there aren't a handful of kids that get split off from the group they've gone to school with for years at the HS level. They can take more students comfortably.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some thoughts:

First meeting was tonight. Seems like the overwhelming input form Oakton ES was "YES -- ASAP."

If Oakton ES, Mosby Woods and the remaining part of Marshall Road are re-zoned to Thoreau, Jackson will no longer be a feeder to Oakton HS. Jackson will be feeding Falls Church only (I think). The only exception would be AAP kids zoned for Thoreau who choose Jackson. I can see why LJMS would want to keep its status as a center (to draw in some high scoring AAP kids into their mix), but socially, it might not be advantageous for the Oakton-bound AAP kids b/c they wouldn't know very many other kids when they arrive at Oakton HS. But, maybe that doesn't matter as much. The Oakton-bound AAP who go to Thoreau will have a much bigger cohort of kids moving on to HS b/c there will be about 300+ kids moving from Thoreau to Oakton.

LJMS is going to take a big hit with SES and test pass rates. But, if nothing happens, then it isn't fair to the LJMS kids either b/c they are over-crowded and the neighboring school is far under-capacity. Re-zoning based on completely neutral factors (i.e. distance, numbers, etc.) may very well have an effect that makes LJMS much less diverse and lower income. I guess that's the real effect of housing on schools (i.e. apartments = more minority, less HHI; SFH = more white, higher SES).

Seems like this will have a really negative impact on the remaining Gen Ed kids at Jackson.

As someone with a center as a base school, I disagree. Our experience with a gen ed kid at a center has been universally negative, and this idea that being an AAP center benefits the gen ed kids is a load of crap. It diverts school resources to AAP and packs more kids who need more help in fewer classrooms. We are pulling one kid from public next year because the base/center school can't meet their needs.

Thoreau was renovated/expanded with an eye to relieving overcrowding at other middle schools (Jackson and, to a lesser extent, Kilmer) and to better align the HS pyramids so there aren't a handful of kids that get split off from the group they've gone to school with for years at the HS level. They can take more students comfortably.

I don't understand why you think this is relevant to the Jackson/Thoreau redistricting. Can you explain?

Under the proposal, Jackson will remain an AAP center, and the current disparities between the Gen Ed and AAP populations likely will increase. And Thoreau will become a split feeder to three high schools - Oakton, Madison and Marshall - instead of only two. How does that improve "alignment"?

It just seemed to me like a better option might have been to make Thoreau the AAP option for the students whose base school is already Thoreau, and see how many kids that would add, before moving some of the highest-income neighborhoods now zoned for Jackson to Thoreau.

[Anonymous]

Because Oakton High kids that live in OES, MRES and MWES really live in a. Vienna and/or b. Play VYI sports. 90% of LJMS kids live in falls church and play a different league.