What's the purpose of the Erb?

[Anonymous]

Some kids know these tests are not "as important as their grades" --- Many kids don't take them seriously

(i am not endorsing this mindset, but don't freak out if your kids underperform, especially if their grades are good)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have one student at a top Ivy and another who is a top student at a Big 3. Based only on their experiences with the ERB, I can conjecture that ERB scores correlate strongly with performance in high school, and particularly with scores on the SAT/ACT, AP Exams, and SAT Subject Tests.

. Not in our case- straight As but dismal ERBs at top private. PSAT stellar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have one student at a top Ivy and another who is a top student at a Big 3. Based only on their experiences with the ERB, I can conjecture that ERB scores correlate strongly with performance in high school, and particularly with scores on the SAT/ACT, AP Exams, and SAT Subject Tests.

. Not in our case- straight As but dismal ERBs at top private. PSAT stellar.

The PSAT is a standardized exam, so you are telling us that your child is an excellent standardized test taker. Was it stellar enough for NMSF designation in DC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have one student at a top Ivy and another who is a top student at a Big 3. Based only on their experiences with the ERB, I can conjecture that ERB scores correlate strongly with performance in high school, and particularly with scores on the SAT/ACT, AP Exams, and SAT Subject Tests.

. Not in our case- straight As but dismal ERBs at top private. PSAT stellar.

The PSAT is a standardized exam, so you are telling us that your child is an excellent standardized test taker. Was it stellar enough for NMSF designation in DC?

It is also possible that the poster has invested in SAT/PSAT/ACT prep classes knowing their child's weakness in that area.

[Anonymous]

Please - its not uncommon to be a great standardized test taker but not get great grades. I am a classic example, high IQ but a total underachiever academically. I always killed it on standardized tests - was a NMSF but my grades weren't good enough to make me a finalist, my SATs were 98th or 99th% and my LSATs, which I went into with zero prep or even knowing what was on it and totally hung-over, were also high 90th% - but my grades from high school thru law school were only Bs or B+ because I made minimal effort. I drove my poor parents crazy. Maybe they shouldn't have constantly told me how brilliant I was. My kids thankfully have much better work ethic, but standardized test aren't as effortless for them. Of course, I praise their work and attitude not their IQ (which they dont know). To do really well (over 90th) my kids need to do prep work although we never bothered to "prep" for an ERB. That is ridiculous. Why would anyone hire a tutor for the ERB? What a waste of time and money and the benefit goes to the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please - its not uncommon to be a great standardized test taker but not get great grades. I am a classic example, high IQ but a total underachiever academically. I always killed it on standardized tests - was a NMSF but my grades weren't good enough to make me a finalist, my SATs were 98th or 99th% and my LSATs, which I went into with zero prep or even knowing what was on it and totally hung-over, were also high 90th% - but my grades from high school thru law school were only Bs or B+ because I made minimal effort. I drove my poor parents crazy. Maybe they shouldn't have constantly told me how brilliant I was. My kids thankfully have much better work ethic, but standardized test aren't as effortless for them. Of course, I praise their work and attitude not their IQ (which they dont know). To do really well (over 90th) my kids need to do prep work although we never bothered to "prep" for an ERB. That is ridiculous. Why would anyone hire a tutor for the ERB? What a waste of time and money and the benefit goes to the school.

When I talk about being a "great" standardized test taker I am referring to those persons who consistently score in the 99th%ile of every standardized exam they ever take. My sister was one of those kids. And while in elementary and middle school I had higher grades (all As) but lower standardized test scores (90th-95th%ile), once we reached high school and took advanced and AP classes in mathematics and science, she was the one with the straight As (99/100 GPA), whereas I was closer to a 93-94/100 GPA. I have two children who are like my sister, consistently in the 99th%ile of their standardized exams and with straight As.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please - its not uncommon to be a great standardized test taker but not get great grades. I am a classic example, high IQ but a total underachiever academically. I always killed it on standardized tests - was a NMSF but my grades weren't good enough to make me a finalist, my SATs were 98th or 99th% and my LSATs, which I went into with zero prep or even knowing what was on it and totally hung-over, were also high 90th% - but my grades from high school thru law school were only Bs or B+ because I made minimal effort. I drove my poor parents crazy. Maybe they shouldn't have constantly told me how brilliant I was. My kids thankfully have much better work ethic, but standardized test aren't as effortless for them. Of course, I praise their work and attitude not their IQ (which they dont know). To do really well (over 90th) my kids need to do prep work although we never bothered to "prep" for an ERB. That is ridiculous. Why would anyone hire a tutor for the ERB? What a waste of time and money and the benefit goes to the school.

When I talk about being a "great" standardized test taker I am referring to those persons who consistently score in the 99th%ile of every standardized exam they ever take. My sister was one of those kids. And while in elementary and middle school I had higher grades (all As) but lower standardized test scores (90th-95th%ile), once we reached high school and took advanced and AP classes in mathematics and science, she was the one with the straight As (99/100 GPA), whereas I was closer to a 93-94/100 GPA. I have two children who are like my sister, consistently in the 99th%ile of their standardized exams and with straight As.

I cannot even find the words. Are you serious? The "disparity" you're referring to is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It measures how well the teachers are teaching.

Not really, unless the school aligns its curriculum with the ERBs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:l.

When I talk about being a "great" standardized test taker I am referring to those persons who consistently score in the 99th%ile of every standardized exam they ever take. My sister was one of those kids. And while in elementary and middle school I had higher grades (all As) but lower standardized test scores (90th-95th%ile), once we reached high school and took advanced and AP classes in mathematics and science, she was the one with the straight As (99/100 GPA), whereas I was closer to a 93-94/100 GPA. I have two children who are like my sister, consistently in the 99th%ile of their standardized exams and with straight As.

I cannot even find the words. Are you serious? The "disparity" you're referring to is ridiculous.

+100. I would laugh if she weren't serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It measures how well the teachers are teaching.

Not really, unless the school aligns its curriculum with the ERBs.

Umm the subjects the ERB tests IS the standard elementary curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please - its not uncommon to be a great standardized test taker but not get great grades. I am a classic example, high IQ but a total underachiever academically. I always killed it on standardized tests - was a NMSF but my grades weren't good enough to make me a finalist, my SATs were 98th or 99th% and my LSATs, which I went into with zero prep or even knowing what was on it and totally hung-over, were also high 90th% - but my grades from high school thru law school were only Bs or B+ because I made minimal effort. I drove my poor parents crazy. Maybe they shouldn't have constantly told me how brilliant I was. My kids thankfully have much better work ethic, but standardized test aren't as effortless for them. Of course, I praise their work and attitude not their IQ (which they dont know). To do really well (over 90th) my kids need to do prep work although we never bothered to "prep" for an ERB. That is ridiculous. Why would anyone hire a tutor for the ERB? What a waste of time and money and the benefit goes to the school.

When I talk about being a "great" standardized test taker I am referring to those persons who consistently score in the 99th%ile of every standardized exam they ever take. My sister was one of those kids. And while in elementary and middle school I had higher grades (all As) but lower standardized test scores (90th-95th%ile), once we reached high school and took advanced and AP classes in mathematics and science, she was the one with the straight As (99/100 GPA), whereas I was closer to a 93-94/100 GPA. I have two children who are like my sister, consistently in the 99th%ile of their standardized exams and with straight As.

I cannot even find the words. Are you serious? The "disparity" you're referring to is ridiculous.

I get what PP is saying. What's the problem with it? People who make 95th percentle scores and 99th percentile scores are different kinds of thinkers. They are both very bright, snd sho is ultimately more successful in career, etc, may be a toss-up, but there is a distinguishable diiference in academic aptitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please - its not uncommon to be a great standardized test taker but not get great grades. I am a classic example, high IQ but a total underachiever academically. I always killed it on standardized tests - was a NMSF but my grades weren't good enough to make me a finalist, my SATs were 98th or 99th% and my LSATs, which I went into with zero prep or even knowing what was on it and totally hung-over, were also high 90th% - but my grades from high school thru law school were only Bs or B+ because I made minimal effort. I drove my poor parents crazy. Maybe they shouldn't have constantly told me how brilliant I was. My kids thankfully have much better work ethic, but standardized test aren't as effortless for them. Of course, I praise their work and attitude not their IQ (which they dont know). To do really well (over 90th) my kids need to do prep work although we never bothered to "prep" for an ERB. That is ridiculous. Why would anyone hire a tutor for the ERB? What a waste of time and money and the benefit goes to the school.

When I talk about being a "great" standardized test taker I am referring to those persons who consistently score in the 99th%ile of every standardized exam they ever take. My sister was one of those kids. And while in elementary and middle school I had higher grades (all As) but lower standardized test scores (90th-95th%ile), once we reached high school and took advanced and AP classes in mathematics and science, she was the one with the straight As (99/100 GPA), whereas I was closer to a 93-94/100 GPA. I have two children who are like my sister, consistently in the 99th%ile of their standardized exams and with straight As.

I cannot even find the words. Are you serious? The "disparity" you're referring to is ridiculous.

I get what PP is saying. What's the problem with it? People who make 95th percentle scores and 99th percentile scores are different kinds of thinkers. They are both very bright, snd sho is ultimately more successful in career, etc, may be a toss-up, but there is a distinguishable diiference in academic aptitude.

Though you're probably a troll, this goes either way: please get a life, you are so totally out of touch with 99.9% of humanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some kids know these tests are not "as important as their grades" --- Many kids don't take them seriously

(i am not endorsing this mindset, but don't freak out if your kids underperform, especially if their grades are good)

My dc made over 90% on most sections, including one 99% (private school norms) and 50% on one section. He said "I think I just guessed on that part."

Sigh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It measures how well the teachers are teaching.

Not really, unless the school aligns its curriculum with the ERBs.

Umm the subjects the ERB tests IS the standard elementary curriculum.

There is no "standard elementary curriculum" at private schools.

[Anonymous]

If the purpose of this is for the school's own benefit (to determine teaching effectiveness, etc.), then why do they waste the time of every student to take it, rather than testing a representative sample of students?

(As a side note, I was always a good standardized-test taker and a middling student. People always thought I was lazy, but it turned out that I had a learning disability that affected my scores in subject matter tests.)