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Anonymous wrote:ECE and PK isn't a right in DC except for children with special needs.

Not really much of a program if only a select few get in. Wait until siblings start getting left out in mass and then it will be a different story.

How will it be a different story? There were 5800 seats for 5100 applicants in PK3 last year citywide. Just because you will only send Larla to Mundo Verde doesn't mean there is a dearth of seats. Until every school with white kids starts putting PK classrooms on the roof and in trailers (and even then), there will be applicants left out.

You are not taking geography into account. The locations of available seats do not correspond well to the epicenters of this population growth.

So you might have to travel a little bit for your free, public pre-K. It is not compulsory school, and is not a right. To demand that a school build out a classroom for PK in upper Northwest when they see so much attrition before 5th grade is crazy.

I'm not demanding anything. Rather, I am pointing out that what is currently a relatively minor problem (not enough seats in the places with the kids) is about to be a much bigger problem in a few years' time.

I disagree. I think they have appropriately placed the most seats in the parts of the city where the children who most need it reside (economically disadvantaged and at-risk kids). They put other seats around the rest of the city to build broader awareness and buy-in to the school system.

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Anonymous wrote:ECE and PK isn't a right in DC except for children with special needs.

Not really much of a program if only a select few get in. Wait until siblings start getting left out in mass and then it will be a different story.

How will it be a different story? There were 5800 seats for 5100 applicants in PK3 last year citywide. Just because you will only send Larla to Mundo Verde doesn't mean there is a dearth of seats. Until every school with white kids starts putting PK classrooms on the roof and in trailers (and even then), there will be applicants left out.

You are not taking geography into account. The locations of available seats do not correspond well to the epicenters of this population growth.

So you might have to travel a little bit for your free, public pre-K. It is not compulsory school, and is not a right. To demand that a school build out a classroom for PK in upper Northwest when they see so much attrition before 5th grade is crazy.

I'm not demanding anything. Rather, I am pointing out that what is currently a relatively minor problem (not enough seats in the places with the kids) is about to be a much bigger problem in a few years' time.

I disagree. I think they have appropriately placed the most seats in the parts of the city where the children who most need it reside (economically disadvantaged and at-risk kids). They put other seats around the rest of the city to build broader awareness and buy-in to the school system.

Agree with both of the above. But the larger point that some people on this thread are making is that DCPS does not seem to be planning for a big increase in the under 5 population coming down the pike. That much is true across the city. I'm not making this point about certain neighborhoods or certain kids but rather noting that there is a citywide scarcity in the making, which (as always) will affect low SES the most.

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How are you gathering that ther is a or dung scarcity? The data you present is for ages 0-5. Is there any concrete data that says DC has more 1 year olds than 5 years ago? You also then take into account the transient nature of DC and reality that many will not even be in DC in 5 years. Then you want to look up the open seats there were after lottery. If memory serves me, there were plenty in most parts of the city (save wards 2,3) or at least within 2 miles which is the average distance most in DC travel for school.

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Anonymous wrote:How are you gathering that ther is a or dung scarcity? The data you present is for ages 0-5. Is there any concrete data that says DC has more 1 year olds than 5 years ago? You also then take into account the transient nature of DC and reality that many will not even be in DC in 5 years. Then you want to look up the open seats there were after lottery. If memory serves me, there were plenty in most parts of the city (save wards 2,3) or at least within 2 miles which is the average distance most in DC travel for school.

An issue is that this problem cannot be measured by what happened 5 years ago. In my neighborhood, things were much different than they are now. Now more people are staying. In 5 more years, I think it will be even more so.

Anyone who has done in planning with DCPS knows how bad they are at it. I know a school that has seen 30% growth for 3 years. This year, DCPS projected no growth because the numbers from 5 years ago factored in.

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Anonymous wrote:How are you gathering that ther is a or dung scarcity? The data you present is for ages 0-5. Is there any concrete data that says DC has more 1 year olds than 5 years ago? You also then take into account the transient nature of DC and reality that many will not even be in DC in 5 years. Then you want to look up the open seats there were after lottery. If memory serves me, there were plenty in most parts of the city (save wards 2,3) or at least within 2 miles which is the average distance most in DC travel for school.

An issue is that this problem cannot be measured by what happened 5 years ago. In my neighborhood, things were much different than they are now. Now more people are staying. In 5 more years, I think it will be even more so.

Anyone who has done in planning with DCPS knows how bad they are at it. I know a school that has seen 30% growth for 3 years. This year, DCPS projected no growth because the numbers from 5 years ago factored in.

So are you proposing DC opens more schools/ECE?

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Anonymous wrote:How are you gathering that ther is a or dung scarcity? The data you present is for ages 0-5. Is there any concrete data that says DC has more 1 year olds than 5 years ago? You also then take into account the transient nature of DC and reality that many will not even be in DC in 5 years. Then you want to look up the open seats there were after lottery. If memory serves me, there were plenty in most parts of the city (save wards 2,3) or at least within 2 miles which is the average distance most in DC travel for school.

An issue is that this problem cannot be measured by what happened 5 years ago. In my neighborhood, things were much different than they are now. Now more people are staying. In 5 more years, I think it will be even more so.

Anyone who has done in planning with DCPS knows how bad they are at it. I know a school that has seen 30% growth for 3 years. This year, DCPS projected no growth because the numbers from 5 years ago factored in.

So are you proposing DC opens more schools/ECE?

I think that will be necessary in the next 5-10 years in certain areas. Obviously K and up take priority as by-right years, but the growth will hit ECE first. And no, I don't think it's a bubble.

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The fastest-growing area of the city for under-5 is Brightwood and upper Georgia Ave. Opening the new middle school at Coolidge in 2019 will open up seats at four education campuses for more ECE.

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Anonymous wrote:The fastest-growing area of the city for under-5 is Brightwood and upper Georgia Ave. Opening the new middle school at Coolidge in 2019 will open up seats at four education campuses for more ECE.

Good point. Eliminating all the ECs will be very helpful. If you ask me, that's plenty planning for now. I don't want to have empty schools again. Would rather grow slowly. Pk3 is not a right.

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More and more jurisdictions are adding universal pre k, because the research is promising. I don't think we'll be moving backwarda

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Anonymous wrote:Rather than scrapping ECE, I think it's more likely that we see current day cares licensing themselves as charters and providing some of the PK services. That's how NYC does it. The real need seems to be in Petworth/Crestwood/Brightwood. DCPS would have done well to partition Roosevelt and make part of it an ECE campus. There's enough room for both, and while some parents are scared to put their 3yos anywhere a teenager might tread, it would allow for some extra space for the little ones, CDA training classes for older students, and care for the children of Roosevelt teachers and students. One thing DCPS should consider is phasing out Height (which was a takeover of a charter, and doesn't have a boundary) and using it as an ECE campus.

I toured two daycares in Petworth that are already doing this. FWIW, they didn't compare to my older kid's ECE class at a Petworth Charter, imo.

The teachers at a daycare/ private preschool woul d't necessarily meet the educational requirements for teaching in charters or DCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Rather than scrapping ECE, I think it's more likely that we see current day cares licensing themselves as charters and providing some of the PK services. That's how NYC does it. The real need seems to be in Petworth/Crestwood/Brightwood. DCPS would have done well to partition Roosevelt and make part of it an ECE campus. There's enough room for both, and while some parents are scared to put their 3yos anywhere a teenager might tread, it would allow for some extra space for the little ones, CDA training classes for older students, and care for the children of Roosevelt teachers and students. One thing DCPS should consider is phasing out Height (which was a takeover of a charter, and doesn't have a boundary) and using it as an ECE campus.

I'd love the idea of a dedicated ECE campus. My son went to apple tree and it's nice to have a school dedicated to that age.

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Anonymous wrote:Rather than scrapping ECE, I think it's more likely that we see current day cares licensing themselves as charters and providing some of the PK services. That's how NYC does it. The real need seems to be in Petworth/Crestwood/Brightwood. DCPS would have done well to partition Roosevelt and make part of it an ECE campus. There's enough room for both, and while some parents are scared to put their 3yos anywhere a teenager might tread, it would allow for some extra space for the little ones, CDA training classes for older students, and care for the children of Roosevelt teachers and students. One thing DCPS should consider is phasing out Height (which was a takeover of a charter, and doesn't have a boundary) and using it as an ECE campus.

I'd love the idea of a dedicated ECE campus. My son went to apple tree and it's nice to have a school dedicated to that age.

That's what Hearst was for years. And Bridges too among charters.

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Anonymous wrote:More and more jurisdictions are adding universal pre k, because the research is promising. I don't think we'll be moving backwarda

Still very few that have universal pk and even then it's pk4

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Anonymous wrote:More and more jurisdictions are adding universal pre k, because the research is promising. I don't think we'll be moving backwarda

Still very few that have universal pk and even then it's pk4

Yes. "In 2014, of the 41 states with state-funded pre-K programs (a figure which included the District of Columbia), only nine served more than half of all 4-year-olds in the state, and 11 served less than 10 percent. Only three states – Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma – truly have universal pre-K programs."

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/knowledge-bank/2015/06/26/setting-the-record-straight-on-state-pre-k-programs

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Anonymous wrote:More and more jurisdictions are adding universal pre k, because the research is promising. I don't think we'll be moving backwarda

It's also been the single biggest positive influence to get high ses families into public schools. The PK is the gateway and hen they get in and realize it's not so bad and more and more stay each year. The growing cohort of under five predomi try come from higher SES families and I wonder if DCPS has given that any thought about the change in demands and expectations from the parents. Hats going to be a very thought transition for some DCPS central
Office who make living on failing kids.