Payne and Miner ES

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are Payne family. I would absolutely recommend it. There is a new principal this year who has been very impressive thus far. Communication and organization has been noticeably better than last year and there is just something exciting in the air at Payne this year. Yes there is a PTA. Its in the building phase but there are lots of active and engaged parents and teachers. I'm sure that it will continue to grow. There is not a lot of diversity in the upper grades. My guess is that will be changing slowly year to year. It seems most of the neighborhood PK3 families from last year stayed for PK4 and many of the neighborhood Pk4 families stayed for K. I think this trend will continue and you will slowly see neighborhood families stay longer and longer. A word of caution there was a significant IB waitlist this year for PK3. I think most IB families eventually got offered a spot but I know many OOB siblings did not.

OK, but come on. There's not a lot of diversity in the lower grades. There's only diversity in PreS and PreK! Let's get real; Payne is around a decade behind Brent, and 7 or 8 years behind Maury. Almost every IB family at Payne is going to play the lottery for many years to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are Payne family. I would absolutely recommend it. There is a new principal this year who has been very impressive thus far. Communication and organization has been noticeably better than last year and there is just something exciting in the air at Payne this year. Yes there is a PTA. Its in the building phase but there are lots of active and engaged parents and teachers. I'm sure that it will continue to grow. There is not a lot of diversity in the upper grades. My guess is that will be changing slowly year to year. It seems most of the neighborhood PK3 families from last year stayed for PK4 and many of the neighborhood Pk4 families stayed for K. I think this trend will continue and you will slowly see neighborhood families stay longer and longer. A word of caution there was a significant IB waitlist this year for PK3. I think most IB families eventually got offered a spot but I know many OOB siblings did not.

OK, but come on. There's not a lot of diversity in the lower grades. There's only diversity in PreS and PreK! Let's get real; Payne is around a decade behind Brent, and 7 or 8 years behind Maury. Almost every IB family at Payne is going to play the lottery for many years to come.

I don't think anyone is arguing Payne or Miner are the same as Brent or Maury. The point is that neighborhood families are staying to invest in Payne. Every year there is more and more diversity in ECE and that is starting to creep into the lower grades. I would expect this to continue over the next couple years.

[Anonymous]

8:56 is right. It takes a good 10 years for this to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:8:56 is right. It takes a good 10 years for this to happen.

It used to, but less OOB kids are getting into schools that used to be easier to get into OOBs, which accelerates this for Payne and Miner compared to Brent and Maury.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:56 is right. It takes a good 10 years for this to happen.

It used to, but less OOB kids are getting into schools that used to be easier to get into OOBs, which accelerates this for Payne and Miner compared to Brent and Maury.

Might accelerate. But people still bail early - by first. Will take 7-8 years before they stay through 5th.

[Anonymous]

More like 10 or 12 years before high SES kids stay for 5th. Brent in-boundary families are just starting to do that!

[Anonymous]

An additional factor is that both Miner and Payne have a significant homeless population. DC general is close to Payne (but closing) and 20% of children in Miner are homeless. I don't remember the number for Payne. I think that the schools are definitely on the uptick. Both the Miner and Payne district is one of the nicest on Capitol Hill, with lots of young families. I put both schools on my lottery list, but lucked into a ECE spot at my inbounds. That said, I don't know how I would feel after 1st. Probably I would be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An additional factor is that both Miner and Payne have a significant homeless population. DC general is close to Payne (but closing) and 20% of children in Miner are homeless. I don't remember the number for Payne. I think that the schools are definitely on the uptick. Both the Miner and Payne district is one of the nicest on Capitol Hill, with lots of young families. I put both schools on my lottery list, but lucked into a ECE spot at my inbounds. That said, I don't know how I would feel after 1st. Probably I would be fine.

Is this actually true? I understood that the issues at Payne owed to a largely OOB population. I don't think most of the kids at DC General actually go there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a PTA now?

personally I would consider the lack of a PTA to be a benefit, but that's just me ...

Huh? Why? PTAs raise money for the school, facilitate admin-parent communication, promote esprit de corps among parents etc. Even if you were to choose not to participate, why consider the lack of a PTA a benefit?!

The 2012-2014 Payne PTA was terrific until the former principal let gentrification hostile teachers shut it down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An additional factor is that both Miner and Payne have a significant homeless population. DC general is close to Payne (but closing) and 20% of children in Miner are homeless. I don't remember the number for Payne. I think that the schools are definitely on the uptick. Both the Miner and Payne district is one of the nicest on Capitol Hill, with lots of young families. I put both schools on my lottery list, but lucked into a ECE spot at my inbounds. That said, I don't know how I would feel after 1st. Probably I would be fine.

Where are you getting this info? Nonsense. 20% of children at Miner aren't homeless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:56 is right. It takes a good 10 years for this to happen.

It used to, but less OOB kids are getting into schools that used to be easier to get into OOBs, which accelerates this for Payne and Miner compared to Brent and Maury.

Might accelerate. But people still bail early - by first. Will take 7-8 years before they stay through 5th.

I think this number is correct but a little misleading. I'd guess that these big cohorts of high SES IB kids might be the first to have some who make it to the upper grades. And it will take them 7-8 years to get there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An additional factor is that both Miner and Payne have a significant homeless population. DC general is close to Payne (but closing) and 20% of children in Miner are homeless. I don't remember the number for Payne. I think that the schools are definitely on the uptick. Both the Miner and Payne district is one of the nicest on Capitol Hill, with lots of young families. I put both schools on my lottery list, but lucked into a ECE spot at my inbounds. That said, I don't know how I would feel after 1st. Probably I would be fine.

If these are one of the nicest on the Hill, which ones are not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8:56 is right. It takes a good 10 years for this to happen.

It used to, but less OOB kids are getting into schools that used to be easier to get into OOBs, which accelerates this for Payne and Miner compared to Brent and Maury.

Might accelerate. But people still bail early - by first. Will take 7-8 years before they stay through 5th.

and how long will it take for ANY Hill school to retain til 5th? That's a loaded statement

[Anonymous]

I live in the Payne district and have a one year old DS. Has the PTA been reconstituted after the old principal shut it down? Are things looking up at the school? I'm eager for any updates from current families about whether this is a viable option beyond preK. Are more in-bounds families going there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in the Payne district and have a one year old DS. Has the PTA been reconstituted after the old principal shut it down? Are things looking up at the school? I'm eager for any updates from current families about whether this is a viable option beyond preK. Are more in-bounds families going there?

Yes. The whole dram from 5 years ago is well in the past. There is a new principal at Payne this year and she is great. There is growing PTA at Payne. They just put an on an awesome fall festival that raised over $1600 for the school. If you are IB for Payne and didn't see any of the flyers or advertisements on MOTH or Hill East I would be shocked. This year IB students were waitlisted for PK3 so its not a guarantee even if you live in the neighborhood. The main cohort of neighborhood families at Payne are in PK3-K. I'm sure some will leave as their kids get older but the truth of the lottery is there aren't that many options and getting a spot at one of the "better" schools on the Hill is harder and harder.