What do you think of the practice of flying in to the US to . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should amend the Constitution so that this is no longer an option.
Illegal immigration would be reduced significantly if we did.


plus 1,000

What other countries do this? Automatic citizenship even though the parents aren't citizens? Perhaps they could give birth here but, then their children are not citizens and they have to pay the hospital bill.

It has got to stop.

Well, all of the Western Hemisphere. And up until recent decades, the UK, France, and the other Commonwealth Nations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should amend the Constitution so that this is no longer an option.
Illegal immigration would be reduced significantly if we did.


plus 1,000

What other countries do this? Automatic citizenship even though the parents aren't citizens? Perhaps they could give birth here but, then their children are not citizens and they have to pay the hospital bill.

It has got to stop.

Most or all countries in North America, Central America, and South America have this type of citizenship. It's not a loophole, it's the law. It's called jus soli.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should amend the Constitution so that this is no longer an option.
Illegal immigration would be reduced significantly if we did.

This is legal immigration. People always scream that illegal immigrants should just follow the rules and enter legally. Well, this is one way to do so.

If you are of the opinion that our laws are great and just need to be enforced then you should welcome this.

You're not very smart. The person who crossed the border illegally broke the law to start with. They have no rights because they're not American, and they broke the law. So...if laws were enforced they wouldn't have been here to begin with, and then we don't have an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should amend the Constitution so that this is no longer an option.
Illegal immigration would be reduced significantly if we did.


plus 1,000

What other countries do this? Automatic citizenship even though the parents aren't citizens? Perhaps they could give birth here but, then their children are not citizens and they have to pay the hospital bill.

It has got to stop.

Well, all of the Western Hemisphere. And up until recent decades, the UK, France, and the other Commonwealth Nations.

Not true. I don't have German citizenship even though I was born there in a German hospital. They didn't give it to me at all. If one of my parents was German, then perhaps, but since they weren't...auf wiedersehen Ami.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should amend the Constitution so that this is no longer an option.
Illegal immigration would be reduced significantly if we did.

This is legal immigration. People always scream that illegal immigrants should just follow the rules and enter legally. Well, this is one way to do so.

If you are of the opinion that our laws are great and just need to be enforced then you should welcome this.

You're not very smart. The person who crossed the border illegally broke the law to start with. They have no rights because they're not American, and they broke the law. So...if laws were enforced they wouldn't have been here to begin with, and then we don't have an issue.

We are talking about someone who flew in. Not someone crossing a border on foot. The person on the plane likely has a lot of money. And came here legally. Albeit to give birth. No laws are broken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should amend the Constitution so that this is no longer an option.
Illegal immigration would be reduced significantly if we did.


plus 1,000

What other countries do this? Automatic citizenship even though the parents aren't citizens? Perhaps they could give birth here but, then their children are not citizens and they have to pay the hospital bill.

It has got to stop.

Well, all of the Western Hemisphere. And up until recent decades, the UK, France, and the other Commonwealth Nations.

Not true. I don't have German citizenship even though I was born there in a German hospital. They didn't give it to me at all. If one of my parents was German, then perhaps, but since they weren't...auf wiedersehen Ami.

Germany used to, but changed their citizenship rules, as PP said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should amend the Constitution so that this is no longer an option.
Illegal immigration would be reduced significantly if we did.


plus 1,000

What other countries do this? Automatic citizenship even though the parents aren't citizens? Perhaps they could give birth here but, then their children are not citizens and they have to pay the hospital bill.

It has got to stop.

Well, all of the Western Hemisphere. And up until recent decades, the UK, France, and the other Commonwealth Nations.

Not true. I don't have German citizenship even though I was born there in a German hospital. They didn't give it to me at all. If one of my parents was German, then perhaps, but since they weren't...auf wiedersehen Ami.

Germany used to, but changed their citizenship rules, as PP said.

Nope. They told me to get lost when I inquired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should amend the Constitution so that this is no longer an option.
Illegal immigration would be reduced significantly if we did.

+1001. This was obviously not something our forefathers thought of when drafting the Constitution. Travel was slow and arduous back then and once you were here, you were likely to stay. As much as I dislike Trump, I am considering voting for him for immigration. Our policies have to change.

[Anonymous]

Happens a lot on my maternity floor. Self pay, wealthy, educated. Wil they come back? Who knows

These types are an asset. Charge them more for the birth in order to reduce health costs for others here. No doubt they are on tourist visas. The ones who come in illegally and cannot afford to pay for the birth are an issue.

Also, maybe Americans can take a lesson and fly to other countries to give birth so that they too have dual citizenship (this may happen more if Trump is elected). Maybe some people on DCUM know of countries where this is possible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Happens a lot on my maternity floor. Self pay, wealthy, educated. Wil they come back? Who knows

These types are an asset. Charge them more for the birth in order to reduce health costs for others here. No doubt they are on tourist visas. The ones who come in illegally and cannot afford to pay for the birth are an issue.

Also, maybe Americans can take a lesson and fly to other countries to give birth so that they too have dual citizenship (this may happen more if Trump is elected). Maybe some people on DCUM know of countries where this is possible?

Citizenship for these people should be revoked. Loopholes and fraud. Not the intent of the law when written.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Happens a lot on my maternity floor. Self pay, wealthy, educated. Wil they come back? Who knows

These types are an asset. Charge them more for the birth in order to reduce health costs for others here. No doubt they are on tourist visas. The ones who come in illegally and cannot afford to pay for the birth are an issue.

Also, maybe Americans can take a lesson and fly to other countries to give birth so that they too have dual citizenship (this may happen more if Trump is elected). Maybe some people on DCUM know of countries where this is possible?

Citizenship for these people should be revoked. Loopholes and fraud. Not the intent of the law when written.

I don't think this is true. Can you cite this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why fly? What about driving across a land border?

It's the rich people who are doing it now- Russians, Chinese, but you don't hear about them. What border, the Bering Sea? They are rich, they fly back.
Oh, you are talking about the Mexicans and what have you. Well, change the constitution. It was fine when written, but I guess things change. While at it, there are other things that need a change there. Our lives and world changes rapidly, but god forbid you touch the constitution. The shit was hard to write, though rumor has it that it's the shortest constitution. White at it, do something to the 2nd amendment since guns have evolved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Happens a lot on my maternity floor. Self pay, wealthy, educated. Wil they come back? Who knows

These types are an asset. Charge them more for the birth in order to reduce health costs for others here. No doubt they are on tourist visas. The ones who come in illegally and cannot afford to pay for the birth are an issue.

Also, maybe Americans can take a lesson and fly to other countries to give birth so that they too have dual citizenship (this may happen more if Trump is elected). Maybe some people on DCUM know of countries where this is possible?

Do it. Google "citizenship by birthright countries" and you'll see your choices are very limited. Most countries in the Americas have it and I wonder why. Not. Once again, times have changed, but the Constitution hasn't kept up. the amendments that have been made maybe aren't enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Happens a lot on my maternity floor. Self pay, wealthy, educated. Wil they come back? Who knows

These types are an asset. Charge them more for the birth in order to reduce health costs for others here. No doubt they are on tourist visas. The ones who come in illegally and cannot afford to pay for the birth are an issue.

Also, maybe Americans can take a lesson and fly to other countries to give birth so that they too have dual citizenship (this may happen more if Trump is elected). Maybe some people on DCUM know of countries where this is possible?

Do it. Google "citizenship by birthright countries" and you'll see your choices are very limited. Most countries in the Americas have it and I wonder why. Not. Once again, times have changed, but the Constitution hasn't kept up. the amendments that have been made maybe aren't enough.

Well, if we're arguing that the constitution hasn't kept up with modern times, I've got a few more items I'd like to change while we're at it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Happens a lot on my maternity floor. Self pay, wealthy, educated. Wil they come back? Who knows

These types are an asset. Charge them more for the birth in order to reduce health costs for others here. No doubt they are on tourist visas. The ones who come in illegally and cannot afford to pay for the birth are an issue.

Also, maybe Americans can take a lesson and fly to other countries to give birth so that they too have dual citizenship (this may happen more if Trump is elected). Maybe some people on DCUM know of countries where this is possible?

Do it. Google "citizenship by birthright countries" and you'll see your choices are very limited. Most countries in the Americas have it and I wonder why. Not. Once again, times have changed, but the Constitution hasn't kept up. the amendments that have been made maybe aren't enough.

You wonder why a group of immigrants and descendants of immigrants would write a Constitution protecting the rights of immigrants?