What kinds of schools might be interested in my DD?

[Anonymous]

William & Mary, va tech, or for privates Jmu and Roanoke College

[Anonymous]

JMU is a state school.

[Anonymous]

How do I get her to focus on schools that are not "name brand?" She is being courted by the likes of Oberlin, Grinnell and Skidmore, but shows know real interest. We visited Smith & Wellesley and she and her Dad like them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Washington & Lee, Davidson, Lafayette, Mills College, Franklin & Marshall, Oberlin, there are so many.

She's unlikely to get into W & L, Davidson, or Oberlin unless she is a legacy or has another hook, like being an URM. She has a good shot at the other schools PP listed, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do I get her to focus on schools that are not "name brand?" She is being courted by the likes of Oberlin, Grinnell and Skidmore, but shows know real interest. We visited Smith & Wellesley and she and her Dad like them.

Take Grinnell while you can, their school newspaper just published their 2016 admission rate was around 18%!
She's got a good ACT and if there's a story behind the grades she may have a shot at some good schools.

[Anonymous]

Story behind the grades - she took hard math and science to challenge herself, plus had to deal with a serious illness in the family. It's not as if she were slacking. I don't expect straight As - and neither did our school psychologist. Believes the pressure is unhealthy and something has to give, so if that means a hard earned C - and we have many teachers in our school who do not believe in grade inflation - so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do I get her to focus on schools that are not "name brand?" She is being courted by the likes of Oberlin, Grinnell and Skidmore, but shows know real interest. We visited Smith & Wellesley and she and her Dad like them.

You review with her the common data sets of those schools, to show her the stats of students there and how her's do not measure up. E.g., UVA:

https://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/cds/cds1516all.shtm

Here, she can see that 94% of enrolled freshmen at UVA last year had GPAs of 3.75 or higher. Could she be admitted to UVA with a 3.3 GPA? Sure, it's possible. Is it likely? No.

Google the name of the college she is interested in and "common data set" to find this info about most colleges.

Information like this allows her to identify reaches, matches, and safeties. For safeties, her stats should be similar to the top students at the school. So, at UVA, which has an SAT-V middle 50th percentile range of 620-720, she would want an SAT-V score well above 720. etc. (Although if the admit rate is less than, say, 40%, the school can't be considered a safety for anyone. UVA at most would be a match for a student with the right stats.)

The most important thing is to first identify safeties that the student would be okay with attending THAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN AFFORD. So tell her you don't want to discuss reaches until she has her safeties nailed down. Then work on the matches. Only then should you/she make serious exploration of reaches.

The conversation goes like this: The most important thing is not that you go to UVA. The most important thing is that you go to college. And secondly, that you have good choices. So the first thing to do is to make sure you have schools we know you can get into, that we can afford, that are acceptable to you. Let's find some safeties first.

She should have, say, 2-3 safeties, 3 matches, 2-3 reaches. If you had another reach, add another match, too.

Don't allow her to fall in love with reach schools. Don't indulge the dreaming. Be very matter of fact and unemotional. Kind but honest and realistic. There is no such thing as a dream school. There is no such thing as a perfect school. There are a hundred schools out there where your DD could be happy and get a good education.

It's really easy to start to feel sorry for our strong students who will never get into top schools. But don't give in to this. It is counterproductive and self-indulgent. She's a strong student, a great kid, lots of schools will want her. It doesn't matter that ALL schools aren't open to her. She is in a better position than most kids. Don't allow the elite schools be the enemy of the good ones.

Read the parent forum at College Confidential for lots of good advice. Also, the books "Colleges that Change Lives" and "Where You Go Is Not Who You'll Be."

[Anonymous]

VERY important question OP. Is she graduating with any HS IB credits from an international school? Do not underestimate the attractiveness of US students with IB credits or diplomae from int'l schools.
It sounds like she's in northern Virginia though from your original post.

[Anonymous]

I am afraid her GPA is not good enough for a name school unless she is a legacy. She should choose two name schools she wants to attend and apply.

But being a TCK, what language does she want to learn/already speak/would she be willing to go back to the UK? There are wonderful opportunities abroad--if she doesn't speak another language fluently, she can always take advantage of the English language Bachelor's in Germany or attend the American University in Paris or Rome or go to any of the UK schools. I was a TCK--had the same gpa as your daughter ages ago--and got my degree in Belgium. It has really helped me in my career!

Also, if she does well abroad and if she so desires, she can apply directly to Georgetown or SAIS for a master's.

[Anonymous]

In the past Mt Holyoke was loaded with foreign service kids. They wanted good academics and a sort of cosy environment since it was the only current American home they had; many had parents still posted overseas. Plus lots of international students. Don't know if this is still the case, but worth looking into. With the 5 colleges, the area is lively.

[Anonymous]

Also , go to the IB recruiting fare next Saturday. 4/16 Those schools know what the work for full IB means. They want real people, not just stats.

[Anonymous]

Fair

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do I get her to focus on schools that are not "name brand?" She is being courted by the likes of Oberlin, Grinnell and Skidmore, but shows know real interest. We visited Smith & Wellesley and she and her Dad like them.

You review with her the common data sets of those schools, to show her the stats of students there and how her's do not measure up. E.g., UVA:

https://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/cds/cds1516all.shtm

Here, she can see that 94% of enrolled freshmen at UVA last year had GPAs of 3.75 or higher. Could she be admitted to UVA with a 3.3 GPA? Sure, it's possible. Is it likely? No.

Google the name of the college she is interested in and "common data set" to find this info about most colleges.

Information like this allows her to identify reaches, matches, and safeties. For safeties, her stats should be similar to the top students at the school. So, at UVA, which has an SAT-V middle 50th percentile range of 620-720, she would want an SAT-V score well above 720. etc. (Although if the admit rate is less than, say, 40%, the school can't be considered a safety for anyone. UVA at most would be a match for a student with the right stats.)

The most important thing is to first identify safeties that the student would be okay with attending THAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN AFFORD. So tell her you don't want to discuss reaches until she has her safeties nailed down. Then work on the matches. Only then should you/she make serious exploration of reaches.

The conversation goes like this: The most important thing is not that you go to UVA. The most important thing is that you go to college. And secondly, that you have good choices. So the first thing to do is to make sure you have schools we know you can get into, that we can afford, that are acceptable to you. Let's find some safeties first.

She should have, say, 2-3 safeties, 3 matches, 2-3 reaches. If you had another reach, add another match, too.

Don't allow her to fall in love with reach schools. Don't indulge the dreaming. Be very matter of fact and unemotional. Kind but honest and realistic. There is no such thing as a dream school. There is no such thing as a perfect school. There are a hundred schools out there where your DD could be happy and get a good education.

It's really easy to start to feel sorry for our strong students who will never get into top schools. But don't give in to this. It is counterproductive and self-indulgent. She's a strong student, a great kid, lots of schools will want her. It doesn't matter that ALL schools aren't open to her. She is in a better position than most kids. Don't allow the elite schools be the enemy of the good ones.

Read the parent forum at College Confidential for lots of good advice. Also, the books "Colleges that Change Lives" and "Where You Go Is Not Who You'll Be."

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Washington & Lee, Davidson, Lafayette, Mills College, Franklin & Marshall, Oberlin, there are so many.

You have got to be kidding. No way in the world with those grades and scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do I get her to focus on schools that are not "name brand?" She is being courted by the likes of Oberlin, Grinnell and Skidmore, but shows know real interest. We visited Smith & Wellesley and she and her Dad like them.

You review with her the common data sets of those schools, to show her the stats of students there and how her's do not measure up. E.g., UVA:

https://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/cds/cds1516all.shtm

Here, she can see that 94% of enrolled freshmen at UVA last year had GPAs of 3.75 or higher. Could she be admitted to UVA with a 3.3 GPA? Sure, it's possible. Is it likely? No.

Google the name of the college she is interested in and "common data set" to find this info about most colleges.

Information like this allows her to identify reaches, matches, and safeties. For safeties, her stats should be similar to the top students at the school. So, at UVA, which has an SAT-V middle 50th percentile range of 620-720, she would want an SAT-V score well above 720. etc. (Although if the admit rate is less than, say, 40%, the school can't be considered a safety for anyone. UVA at most would be a match for a student with the right stats.)

The most important thing is to first identify safeties that the student would be okay with attending THAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN AFFORD. So tell her you don't want to discuss reaches until she has her safeties nailed down. Then work on the matches. Only then should you/she make serious exploration of reaches.

The conversation goes like this: The most important thing is not that you go to UVA. The most important thing is that you go to college. And secondly, that you have good choices. So the first thing to do is to make sure you have schools we know you can get into, that we can afford, that are acceptable to you. Let's find some safeties first.

She should have, say, 2-3 safeties, 3 matches, 2-3 reaches. If you had another reach, add another match, too.

Don't allow her to fall in love with reach schools. Don't indulge the dreaming. Be very matter of fact and unemotional. Kind but honest and realistic. There is no such thing as a dream school. There is no such thing as a perfect school. There are a hundred schools out there where your DD could be happy and get a good education.

It's really easy to start to feel sorry for our strong students who will never get into top schools. But don't give in to this. It is counterproductive and self-indulgent. She's a strong student, a great kid, lots of schools will want her. It doesn't matter that ALL schools aren't open to her. She is in a better position than most kids. Don't allow the elite schools be the enemy of the good ones.

Read the parent forum at College Confidential for lots of good advice. Also, the books "Colleges that Change Lives" and "Where You Go Is Not Who You'll Be."

Agree with this.

It's also worth noting that the data for admitted students includes ALL students admitted, a portion of whom fall into a category (legacy, recruited athlete, etc) that enables them to be admitted despite having tests scores & grades that may be significantly lower than most kids would need to qualify for admission. A kid with no "hooks" who is from an area that the school has a large number of qualified applicants from will likely need to have grades & tests scores that are better than the averages for all admitted students in order for the school to accurately be considered a target vs a reach. And, generally speaking, it is harder for a girl to be admitted to most schools than it is for a boy with the same grades & scores. It is important to keep these things in mind if you want to help your daughter keep her expectations realistic during the application process.Try to help her find a couple of true safety schools that she thinks she would be happy to attend.