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Anonymous wrote:Is he being recruited for football? Because if not sports gets pretty discounted. A friend of DCs was a star football player in MoCo recruited by a big 10 program. So pretty talented. He also did indoor and outdoor track (and won events) and had some non sport ECs. I think colleges will be expecting more than football. What has he done in the summers? Work, internships? it's not to late to try new things, which would probably benefit him in other ways.

Yes, he is being recruited. By lots, but this is the one he wants the most. I'll chat with him about an internship this summer, that seems like a good idea. He'd like to work, too. Hopefully he can find some firm willing to only have him in the later afternoons-football is all morning long all summer into early afternoon.

That's crazy in terms of time. How is that even allowed? MoCo limits preseason length and controls hours per day (eliminated 2 a days) due to heat death issues. Can't believe FCPS is willing to take the risks.

If he's a top recruit he's got a chance. The coach should be talking to you about this obviously. They can tell you the required combo of GPA and SAT. If he's not a top recruit the lack of APs and a 3.7 may be a nonstarter. Georgetown doesn't put a big premium on football as a sport and the kids I know who played there (only a couple to be fair) were pretty well rounded smart kids.

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I wish he would not like football!! I hate him playing. He's such a smart kid and I worry about football and his brain. But football is the love of his life. He's an addict, it's pure joy for him. Pure joy, like pure happiness. I'm so envious of that sheer joy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is he being recruited for football? Because if not sports gets pretty discounted. A friend of DCs was a star football player in MoCo recruited by a big 10 program. So pretty talented. He also did indoor and outdoor track (and won events) and had some non sport ECs. I think colleges will be expecting more than football. What has he done in the summers? Work, internships? it's not to late to try new things, which would probably benefit him in other ways.

Yes, he is being recruited. By lots, but this is the one he wants the most. I'll chat with him about an internship this summer, that seems like a good idea. He'd like to work, too. Hopefully he can find some firm willing to only have him in the later afternoons-football is all morning long all summer into early afternoon.

That's crazy in terms of time. How is that even allowed? MoCo limits preseason length and controls hours per day (eliminated 2 a days) due to heat death issues. Can't believe FCPS is willing to take the risks.

If he's a top recruit he's got a chance. The coach should be talking to you about this obviously. They can tell you the required combo of GPA and SAT. If he's not a top recruit the lack of APs and a 3.7 may be a nonstarter. Georgetown doesn't put a big premium on football as a sport and the kids I know who played there (only a couple to be fair) were pretty well rounded smart kids.


Much of the summer workout time is super early in the AM (like 7am) with afternoons in the gym in the AC. They are careful about the heat.

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I'll be blunt. If the coach wants him as a recruited athlete, he will get in. If the coach doesn't, he will not. All his eggs should be in the football basket - doing some one-off international trip isn't going to give him an admissible academic profile. But being a recruit will.

I highly suggest you go to College Confidential's Athletic Recruits message board. There are many kind, competent parents there who have been through the process and will be happy to give you the benefit of their knowledge and experience.

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That's great he is being recruited for football. My friends daughter was recruited for another sport there and basically her admission was up to the coach - if he picked her, her application was sent to another committee for final approval. There is a minimal SAT number in the 600s - can't remember exactly, but it was not too crazy. I attended the Georgetown Information session with my DC and they really play up the rigor (test scores, looking for kids that will apply directly into certain schools etc.). After I left the session I had the impression that it was way out of reach for my DC -however - the kids I know that got in this year from my sons school are both good (but not straight A) students and very involved in community service activities. Good luck!

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Having just gone through the athletic recruiting process, I can tell you there are no guarantees – particularly for non-revenue sports. The coach submits his/her list of recruits to Admissions, and while the coach’s recommendations are considered, it’s Admissions that makes the final decision. At select schools like Georgetown, the Ivies, and the NESCAC schools, recruits are typically banded. An A Band recruit meets the academic admissions criteria and is a likely admit. A Bands typically receive little support beyond appearing on the coach’s list. A B Band recruit falls slightly below the academic criteria. B Bands get the most coach support as active lobbying might elevate the recruit to the admitted list. C Bands fall further below the academic criteria and need to be a game-changing athletic superstar to be admitted. A C Band utility infielder won’t make the cut and coaches won’t waste their political capital on someone who’s unlikely to be admitted. Georgetown does not offer Early Decision. For those schools that do, coaches will all but require their recruits to apply ED. Coaches have a limited number of slots and don’t want to advocate for an athlete who might then go elsewhere. The New York Times did an excellent 7-part series on DIII athletic recruiting at select schools that explains the recruiting/admissions process very well.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll be blunt. If the coach wants him as a recruited athlete, he will get in. If the coach doesn't, he will not. All his eggs should be in the football basket - doing some one-off international trip isn't going to give him an admissible academic profile. But being a recruit will.

I highly suggest you go to College Confidential's Athletic Recruits message board. There are many kind, competent parents there who have been through the process and will be happy to give you the benefit of their knowledge and experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Having just gone through the athletic recruiting process, I can tell you there are no guarantees – particularly for non-revenue sports. The coach submits his/her list of recruits to Admissions, and while the coach’s recommendations are considered, it’s Admissions that makes the final decision. At select schools like Georgetown, the Ivies, and the NESCAC schools, recruits are typically banded. An A Band recruit meets the academic admissions criteria and is a likely admit. A Bands typically receive little support beyond appearing on the coach’s list. A B Band recruit falls slightly below the academic criteria. B Bands get the most coach support as active lobbying might elevate the recruit to the admitted list. C Bands fall further below the academic criteria and need to be a game-changing athletic superstar to be admitted. A C Band utility infielder won’t make the cut and coaches won’t waste their political capital on someone who’s unlikely to be admitted. Georgetown does not offer Early Decision. For those schools that do, coaches will all but require their recruits to apply ED. Coaches have a limited number of slots and don’t want to advocate for an athlete who might then go elsewhere. The New York Times did an excellent 7-part series on DIII athletic recruiting at select schools that explains the recruiting/admissions process very well.

Agree with this although Georgetown is D1 so that changes the dynamic a bit. However football is not a draw for them like basketball or even soccer (where they are a top ranked team). Georgetown does do commitments. The kids we know who were recruited there had commitments junior year although still did the signing day ceremony senior year. These were top recruits so had the coaches support.

Op what has the coach said to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be blunt. If the coach wants him as a recruited athlete, he will get in. If the coach doesn't, he will not. All his eggs should be in the football basket - doing some one-off international trip isn't going to give him an admissible academic profile. But being a recruit will.

I highly suggest you go to College Confidential's Athletic Recruits message board. There are many kind, competent parents there who have been through the process and will be happy to give you the benefit of their knowledge and experience.

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Agree with this. With his academic profile, he is unlikely to get into G'town without a hook, no matter how much he steps on the academic gas from here on in. His hook is football. He sounds like a good, solid student, which will be good enough for any of the elite schools...if they want him for football.

CC's Athletic Recruits board is a great resource.

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OP, My DS plays football on scholarship at Stanford and he had a similar profile as your son. If your son is set on G'town, and football is his hook, you need to schedule a campus visit pronto and make sure you have a visit with a football coach scheduled as well. Ideally the coach that coaches his position or the head coach. Unless you're trying to meet Urban Meyer, you can often get an appointment with the head coach.

His high school coach can, and should, also reach out to the G'town coach on his behalf. I'm sure at this point your son has films on Hudl and similar, that's really important. Fill out the 'recruit me' form if G'town has one. But the key is to get in front of the coach, pronto. Then find every opportunity for your son to go to G'town. Overnight visit, campus visit, football camp, football game, anything that will demonstrate his interest in playing at Georgetown. Make sure you are clear you will commit ED (if available).

But before you get too invested in using football as a hook, it helps to understand if your son's play style and strengths are a good fit for G'town's program - you know as well as I do that not every player thrives in every style. If he's not going to produce in their system, no matter how good he is, they won't go to bat for him with admissions.

Once you get the coach's attention, and if he likes what he sees, he will become your source of guidance and advice on how to navigate the admissions process. I cannot emphasize enough... you need to get on the coach's radar and the sooner the better.

I understand how time consuming the sport is to play at the level our son's play. He did manage to squeeze in some EC's but even most of that was related to football (volunteer to coach pee wee and he ran the clock and scoreboards at the little kids games) or could be done in the context of a school period (Spanish club). But like a PP said, having some random EC won't help his profile as much as dedication to play the sport at the D1 level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, My DS plays football on scholarship at Stanford and he had a similar profile as your son. If your son is set on G'town, and football is his hook, you need to schedule a campus visit pronto and make sure you have a visit with a football coach scheduled as well. Ideally the coach that coaches his position or the head coach. Unless you're trying to meet Urban Meyer, you can often get an appointment with the head coach.

His high school coach can, and should, also reach out to the G'town coach on his behalf. I'm sure at this point your son has films on Hudl and similar, that's really important. Fill out the 'recruit me' form if G'town has one. But the key is to get in front of the coach, pronto. Then find every opportunity for your son to go to G'town. Overnight visit, campus visit, football camp, football game, anything that will demonstrate his interest in playing at Georgetown. Make sure you are clear you will commit ED (if available).

But before you get too invested in using football as a hook, it helps to understand if your son's play style and strengths are a good fit for G'town's program - you know as well as I do that not every player thrives in every style. If he's not going to produce in their system, no matter how good he is, they won't go to bat for him with admissions.

Once you get the coach's attention, and if he likes what he sees, he will become your source of guidance and advice on how to navigate the admissions process. I cannot emphasize enough... you need to get on the coach's radar and the sooner the better.

I understand how time consuming the sport is to play at the level our son's play. He did manage to squeeze in some EC's but even most of that was related to football (volunteer to coach pee wee and he ran the clock and scoreboards at the little kids games) or could be done in the context of a school period (Spanish club). But like a PP said, having some random EC won't help his profile as much as dedication to play the sport at the D1 level.

Is your son the one from Stone Bridge? I remember reading about him in the paper.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a 3.7 will be high enough, even with an outstanding test score. Are his classes the most rigorous?

Yeah that's what I'm worried about. He's taken a couple honors but no AP. He's done the standard 4 years of language etc. college courses.

My kid had all honors classes and 4 APs with a 3.7 and 34 ACT. Had volunteer experience, competed on a varsity team, had two legacy parents and was rejected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a 3.7 will be high enough, even with an outstanding test score. Are his classes the most rigorous?

Yeah that's what I'm worried about. He's taken a couple honors but no AP. He's done the standard 4 years of language etc. college courses.

My kid had all honors classes and 4 APs with a 3.7 and 34 ACT. Had volunteer experience, competed on a varsity team, had two legacy parents and was rejected.

Wow with 2 legacy parents? Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, My DS plays football on scholarship at Stanford and he had a similar profile as your son. If your son is set on G'town, and football is his hook, you need to schedule a campus visit pronto and make sure you have a visit with a football coach scheduled as well. Ideally the coach that coaches his position or the head coach. Unless you're trying to meet Urban Meyer, you can often get an appointment with the head coach.

His high school coach can, and should, also reach out to the G'town coach on his behalf. I'm sure at this point your son has films on Hudl and similar, that's really important. Fill out the 'recruit me' form if G'town has one. But the key is to get in front of the coach, pronto. Then find every opportunity for your son to go to G'town. Overnight visit, campus visit, football camp, football game, anything that will demonstrate his interest in playing at Georgetown. Make sure you are clear you will commit ED (if available).

But before you get too invested in using football as a hook, it helps to understand if your son's play style and strengths are a good fit for G'town's program - you know as well as I do that not every player thrives in every style. If he's not going to produce in their system, no matter how good he is, they won't go to bat for him with admissions.

Once you get the coach's attention, and if he likes what he sees, he will become your source of guidance and advice on how to navigate the admissions process. I cannot emphasize enough... you need to get on the coach's radar and the sooner the better.

I understand how time consuming the sport is to play at the level our son's play. He did manage to squeeze in some EC's but even most of that was related to football (volunteer to coach pee wee and he ran the clock and scoreboards at the little kids games) or could be done in the context of a school period (Spanish club). But like a PP said, having some random EC won't help his profile as much as dedication to play the sport at the D1 level.

OP here. Thanks for all this--reinforces that he's doing everything he can and should be doing. We'll consider it a reach school but still try like heck! Thanks for all this feedback.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe a 3.7 will be high enough, even with an outstanding test score. Are his classes the most rigorous?

Yeah that's what I'm worried about. He's taken a couple honors but no AP. He's done the standard 4 years of language etc. college courses.

My kid had all honors classes and 4 APs with a 3.7 and 34 ACT. Had volunteer experience, competed on a varsity team, had two legacy parents and was rejected.

Wow with 2 legacy parents? Wow.

Mine didn't have the legacy parents but higher GPA, same SAT, twice as many APs (all 4s and 5s), 2 varsity teams (captain of one, top state level competitor in one), lots of other ECs including an internship and that got DC a waitlist (and ultimately a rejection).